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Guns are beautiful (Pro 2nd Amendment - Check it out!)
New Times ^ | August 5th, 2009 | Edward F. Apalategui

Posted on 08/08/2009 4:48:43 PM PDT by appleseed

I am a lifetime law-abiding gun owner and avid shooter. In my life I have had many occasions to buy firearms for sporting purposes. I have not had a need to own an AK-47 nor an opportunity to try one. I am told it is the finest assault rifle ever made. If I am in a situation wherein the AK-47 is the best choice, then I need to get one and I believe that I have that right guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Assuming that situation is in defense of my home or country, if an AK-47 makes the difference in my family’s survival, then so be it.

If I need an AK-47, then I would logically buy one now. When called to defense there will be no time to shop. I believe this is the logic that law-abiding people use when they buy assault rifles. I also believe this is the logic used in the writing of the Second Amendment. If ordinary citizens need to defend our nation at any level, then they not only need guns, they need the best. It is for this reason that bans are wrong: They are an infringement on our right to keep and bear arms.

Bans don’t work because Americans are among the few people in the history of the world to taste freedom. They love it and they defend it with their lives. Freedom needs boundaries, which are constantly tested.

Civil rights heroes were pushing these same boundaries and so were the moonshiners of prohibition and Proposition 8 demonstrators. We sometimes paint these individuals positively or negatively, but the spirit is the same. Therefore, building a modification of a banned gun (“What assault weapons ban?” July 16) is not a criminal act so long as the result is compliant. We often paint the individuals who do negatively, when we shouldn’t.

Regardless of the type of weapon, all people shot to death were killed by a person. No gun loads, aims, and discharges itself. No gun is mean, scary, or evil. No gun is a villain, but unfortunately some people are. The man who shot up that schoolyard with an AK-47 was a sick criminal. Other guns were used to stop him. Ask the parents of those kids if they would choose for a neighbor to have shot that guy in time to save their children. Ask them if they care what gun was used.

Guns are a beautiful part of this country. They won it, they defend it, and when bad people use them it takes good people with guns to stop them. These laws vilify heroes and manufacture felons where patriots once stood. They help no one except our enemies. Ban criminals, not guns.


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Excellent article! I wish this person was a neighbor of mine. Lovin every minute of it.

I have a Century Arms AK and it is decent. Got all the add ons to go with it. Nice weapon and my wife really likes it because it fits her just about right.

I like the AK too. But not as much as my DPMS AR-15. Just a matter of taste I reckon. Either way, thank God I have the freedom to own either one. At least for now. If this ever changes - Going underground and have fun trying to find me.

1 posted on 08/08/2009 4:48:44 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: Momaw Nadon; Mrs. Ranger; Squantos; wafflehouse; pbmaltzman; WKUHilltopper; dusttoyou; PLMerite; ...
Guns are a beautiful part of this country. They won it, they defend it, and when bad people use them it takes good people with guns to stop them.

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2 posted on 08/08/2009 4:53:08 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: appleseed
I bought one of the Romanian AK packages about 18 months ago. It's not one of the 'best' AK's, but it came with a sling, oiler, cleaning kit, 4 mags, a correct but crappy bayonet, and a case.

After a trip to the range I went back and ordered 2 more of them. At the time they were going for $350.00. Ammoman was selling Russian Mil-Spec 7.62 x 39 for 189.00 a case delivered. I bought 5.

Yea, I've got 'better' rifles. But if someone told me that tomorrow morning I was going to be dropped onto the surface of another planet and could only take one gun, it'd be one of those AK's.

L

3 posted on 08/08/2009 4:53:11 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: appleseed

“DPMS AR-15”

Thats what I own.


4 posted on 08/08/2009 4:53:38 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

Question. How much (average guestimate) and legal in Colorado?


5 posted on 08/08/2009 4:55:26 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: appleseed

http://www.arthurshall.com/x_2007_manly_firearms.shtml
(AK 47 at #6)

One of mine:

“#9: Mosin-Nagant M44
Speaking of guns without safeties, here’s the Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine from Russia. The Mosin was used by the Russians against the Finns, the Finns against the Russians, the Estonians against the Russians, the Russians against the Russians, and the Russians against the Germans. It does, in fact, have a safety, but it’s quite hard to engage. But this is not a complaint one would ever voice in the Red Army. Your officer would reply, “Safety? Safety? Is gun! Meant to kill! No warrior should know he has safety on gun, because he should be killing enemies of homeland! Safety make loud click to aid enemy in locating warriors! No safety!” while pounding his fist on the table.”


6 posted on 08/08/2009 4:58:02 PM PDT by dynachrome (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: RandallFlagg

I paid $1100 for mine. Colorado, not sure about legality, but I would assume it would be.


7 posted on 08/08/2009 4:58:49 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: appleseed

Reminds me of this CNN interview..

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/newsworthy-reports/24388-cnn-interview-goes-wrong-truck-dealer-muller-lets-them-have.html#post322479


8 posted on 08/08/2009 5:02:00 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: dynachrome

Safety? Wrong.

It has a safety but it takes a strong hand to engage it. I have an M1938, no bayonet lug. Pull the end of the bolt rearward and rotate it so that part of it slides over the right hand portion of the receiver.


9 posted on 08/08/2009 5:04:25 PM PDT by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: dynachrome
It does, in fact, have a safety, but it’s quite hard to engage.

Tell me about it! [/sarc] You practically have to bed the rifle in concrete and then use a crane just to pull and rotate that thing. It's easier to keep the chamber clear and your finger off of the trigger until you have a target.

10 posted on 08/08/2009 5:04:28 PM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

dynachrome, My previous post is what happens when one fails to read all of what is being commented on.


11 posted on 08/08/2009 5:06:17 PM PDT by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

Sweet! Thank you.


12 posted on 08/08/2009 5:06:21 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: appleseed

This is my DPMS...

13 posted on 08/08/2009 5:06:52 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: Lurker
..... Yea, I've got 'better' rifles. But if someone told me that tomorrow morning I was going to be dropped onto the surface of another planet and could only take one gun, it'd be one of those AK's.

Based on my personal combat experience in the Nam for a year and a half I'd have to agree that in a really bad situation and even worse environment I'd have to take the AK-47 every time. I loved my M14 as well and the M16/AR15 just set in the bottom of my tracked vehicle gathering dust. Give me a 47 when the chips are down every time. You just can't beat it for dependability and ruggedness.

14 posted on 08/08/2009 5:09:25 PM PDT by Ron H. (I believe in and practice the 4 Gs : God, Guns, Guts and Garden,)
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To: dynachrome

Got an M91 stamped 1939 in 7.62x54. Fun to shoot but has a slightly bulged barrell. Not very accurate. Looks good with the bayonet attached.


15 posted on 08/08/2009 5:09:49 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

Not a convenient safety at any rate!


16 posted on 08/08/2009 5:10:28 PM PDT by dynachrome (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: appleseed

I have 2 91/30s now + the M44.

fun to shoot!


17 posted on 08/08/2009 5:12:09 PM PDT by dynachrome (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: Ron H.
You just can't beat [an AK] for dependability and ruggedness.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not bad-mouthing AKs (I've got a Russian 5.56, and built two in 7.62x39 that I no longer own) - but I prefer FALs "for dependability and ruggedness."

The Tale of Ol' Dirty. A Texas Legend. (Update: over 15,000 rnds fired w/o cleaning)

;>)

18 posted on 08/08/2009 5:19:21 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: appleseed

Just Pick up a SIG 556 Classic last week!!


19 posted on 08/08/2009 5:23:49 PM PDT by PushinTin (NEVER, argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!!)
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To: BreezyDog
My DPMS is second from the left. Century Arms AK-47 is 5th from the right. Russian M91 I mentioned earlier is 6th from the right.


20 posted on 08/08/2009 5:24:08 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: Ron H.
As I said, I've got 'better' rifles. I've tricked out a couple civvy M-4's and I worked for 2 years putting together a tack driving no crap 900 yard National Match M1-A. They're beautiful in every sense of the word.

But as I said on the first posting of this I believe that beauty is when form follows function and there isn't a weapon on the planet that epitomizes that better than Sgt. Kalishnikov's design.

Yea, it could have some burled walnut furniture. Yea, it could have some fancy scrollwork. Nah.....who am I kidding. The beauty of the AK is its rugged utilitarian design, ease of manufacture, nearly flawless reliability, and absolutely unequalled man killing record.

I'm proud to own a few of them and I'm absolutely confident that I made the right choice to buy enough of them to equip my loved ones with them.

21 posted on 08/08/2009 5:24:49 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Sarajevo

the 20# trigger pull on my 91/30 was like a safety, also the worst bolt action I’ve ever manipulated. I’m spoiled though having 5 SMLEs, which are butery smooth.


22 posted on 08/08/2009 5:25:30 PM PDT by henry_reardon
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To: appleseed

Don’t know my left from the right. Everything I mentioned is numbered from the left.


23 posted on 08/08/2009 5:27:33 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: henry_reardon

“worst bolt action”

Some carry a wooden mallet to clear a “sticky” bolt.

LOL


24 posted on 08/08/2009 5:28:56 PM PDT by dynachrome (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: appleseed

I’m still waiting on my CMP M1 Garand.

But my M1 Carbine will do until then.


25 posted on 08/08/2009 5:32:24 PM PDT by Elderberry
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To: henry_reardon
I’m spoiled though having 5 SMLEs, which are butery smooth.

Bingo! I've got an 1898 Lee-Enfield carbine, that's faster & smoother than any Krag I've ever handled...

;>)

26 posted on 08/08/2009 5:33:49 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: Elderberry

Check out post #20. 7th from the left. Springfield M1 Garand in 30.06. Serial #’s match too. Love shooting that thing.


27 posted on 08/08/2009 5:40:51 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: henry_reardon

I’ve heard all my life how British soldiers in 1914 were so skilled in manipulating the SMLE with its 70 degree rotation so fast that the Germans thought the Brits were equipped with automatic weapons.


28 posted on 08/08/2009 5:52:08 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: appleseed
I am relaxing in our hotel room after attending a day at the Grand American in Sparta, IL. For those who aren't familiar, it is THE trap shooting event of the year. There were just under 2,000 entries in the handicap event this afternoon. It is a sight to see. Approx. 3 1/4 miles of continuous shooters for 15 straight days totaling over 31,000 entries.

By the way; my kid (13 y/o) tied for first in his class and has a shoot-off to determine first or second tomorrow. Wooohoo! HUGE!

29 posted on 08/08/2009 5:54:31 PM PDT by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

Panthers rock!!!!!

They are tight and straight...


30 posted on 08/08/2009 5:54:37 PM PDT by waterhill (You Will Listen or You Will Be Looking for a Job)
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To: dynachrome

31 posted on 08/08/2009 5:55:36 PM PDT by housemouse 1
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To: appleseed

now thats a family picnic :-)


32 posted on 08/08/2009 5:59:37 PM PDT by housemouse 1
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To: Damifino

Most excellent! Let us know how he does. Tell him congrats. from Indy.


33 posted on 08/08/2009 5:59:59 PM PDT by appleseed
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To: appleseed

I’m Jealous! I ordered a service grade M1 back in May and a can of 06 ammo. Still waiting. Quite a backlog I understand. I got an Email from them last week. They said they were working on the April orders.


34 posted on 08/08/2009 6:00:11 PM PDT by Elderberry
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To: appleseed

The AK is a good rifle. However, I think the M14 is a superior weapon. Same caliber (7.62mm), but the M14 has a larger case, and more ooomph.


35 posted on 08/08/2009 6:01:21 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: appleseed

I’m sure any liberals reading this thread just shat their pants at the sight of all that firepower! Oohrah!


36 posted on 08/08/2009 6:21:03 PM PDT by Karma Police (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!!!)
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To: appleseed

What are the weapons #1 and 2 from the left? One looks like a Bushmaster and the other a Colt? Is that an 1899 winchester shotgun in the mix?

Nice arsenal.

MFO


37 posted on 08/08/2009 6:24:27 PM PDT by Man from Oz
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To: housemouse 1

His books are fun reads!

He also contributes here:

http://www.survivalblog.com


38 posted on 08/08/2009 6:35:00 PM PDT by dynachrome (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: dynachrome

interesting , thank you


39 posted on 08/08/2009 7:00:09 PM PDT by housemouse 1
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To: appleseed
Nice. And notice that none of those "evil" firearms are spontaneously jumping up and shooting the little girl? If you listen to the would-be gun-grabbers, they'd have you think that routinely happens.

I'm jealous of the pistol-grip shotgun on the far right. Is that a Mossberg? I'm seriously thinking of a 500 "Tactical Cruiser" - pistol grip only, 18 1/2 barrel... Lots of intimidation factor.

40 posted on 08/08/2009 7:11:45 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama - bad for America)
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To: ThunderSleeps

get the pistol gripped buttstock...unless you live in a 6x10 room...


41 posted on 08/08/2009 8:46:33 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Luke 22:36...Trust in the Lord...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: appleseed
Better tools just mask poor skills. My favorite rifle is a Ruger No 1 stainless 45-70 single shot. Regardless of your choice of firearm .....practice with it till your sure you can make accurate hits on target at max effective range with little effort Stay safe !!!
42 posted on 08/08/2009 9:26:51 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Lurker

Wise choice grasshopper !!


43 posted on 08/08/2009 9:28:40 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos
practice with it till your sure you can make accurate hits on target at max effective range with little effort

Sage advice. Absolutely no one can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.

44 posted on 08/08/2009 9:47:52 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: appleseed
I am a lifetime law-abiding gun owner

Why do so many people feel a need to qualify their gun ownership by stating that they are "law-abiding"?

Do people who own matches or butane lighters preface the fact by stating that they are "not arsonists"?

Do farmers who use ammonium nitrate fertilizer refer to themselves as "non-terrorists"?

Why do we have to be almost apologetic for owning firearms?

45 posted on 08/08/2009 11:20:06 PM PDT by Skibane
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To: Lurker
could only take one gun, it'd be one of those AK's.

That's how I feel about my AKs, too.

46 posted on 08/09/2009 1:09:01 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: RandallFlagg

Not sure I was much help, but no problem. I did see one for $850 brand new in the box. Guy had just bought it and then got laid off. I kick myself for not picking it up.


47 posted on 08/09/2009 4:35:20 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: waterhill

I really like mine. They really aren’t bad weapons if you know how to clean them and cleaning them isn’t hard.


48 posted on 08/09/2009 4:36:43 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: appleseed

the AK-47 is a direct derivitive of the Sturmgewher 44 — the rifle and ammunition having been optimized by people who knew what they were doing...

do not plan to use an AK for shooting targets though — they ain’t meant for that


49 posted on 08/09/2009 4:45:25 AM PDT by Mike Acker
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To: Squantos

AK is not meant to be used that way


50 posted on 08/09/2009 4:48:16 AM PDT by Mike Acker
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