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Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids
Vorchester | Discovery News ^ | 8/13/09 | Rossella Lorenzi

Posted on 08/14/2009 10:09:21 AM PDT by LibWhacker

Aug. 13, 2009 -- An enormous system of caves, chambers and tunnels lies hidden beneath the Pyramids of Giza, according to a British explorer who claims to have found the lost underworld of the pharaohs.

Populated by bats and venomous spiders, the underground complex was found in the limestone bedrock beneath the pyramid field at Giza.

"There is untouched archaeology down there, as well as a delicate ecosystem that includes colonies of bats and a species of spider which we have tentatively identified as the white widow," British explorer Andrew Collins said.

Collins, who will detail his findings in the book "Beneath the Pyramids" to be published in September, tracked down the entrance to the mysterious underworld after reading the forgotten memoirs of a 19th century diplomat and explorer.

"In his memoirs, British consul general Henry Salt recounts how he investigated an underground system of 'catacombs' at Giza in 1817 in the company of Italian explorer Giovanni Caviglia," Collins said.

The document records that the two explored the caves for a distance of "several hundred yards," coming upon four large chambers from which stretched further cave passageways.

With the help of British Egyptologist Nigel Skinner-Simpson, Collins reconstructed Salt's exploration on the plateau, eventually locating the entrance to the lost catacombs in an apparently unrecorded tomb west of the Great Pyramid.

Indeed, the tomb featured a crack in the rock, which led into a massive natural cave.

"We explored the caves before the air became too thin to continue. They are highly dangerous, with unseen pits and hollows, colonies of bats and venomous spiders," said Collins.

According to Collins, the caves -- which are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years old -- may have both inspired the development of the pyramid field and the ancient Egyptian's belief in an underworld.

"Ancient funerary texts clearly allude to the existence of a subterranean world in the vicinity of the Giza pyramids," Collins told Discovery News.

Indeed, Giza was known anciently as Rostau, meaning the "mouth of the passages."

This is the same name as a region of the ancient Egyptian underworld known as the Duat.

"The 'mouth of the passages' is unquestionably a reference to the entrance to a subterranean cave world, one long rumored to exist beneath the plateau," Collins told Discovery News.

Collins' claim is expected to cause a stir in the Egyptological world.

Zahi Hawass, chief of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, has dismissed the discovery.

"There are no new discoveries to be made at Giza. We know everything about the plateau," he stated.

But Collins remarks that after extensive research, he found no mention of the caves in modern times.

"To the best of our knowledge nothing has ever been written or recorded about these caves since Salt’s explorations. If Hawass does have any report related to these caves, we have yet to see it," Collins said.


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: archaeology; caves; giza; godsgravesglyphs; pyramids; under

1 posted on 08/14/2009 10:09:22 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Edgar Cayce and others have alluded to predictions that around this time, we would be finding a wealth of knowledge stored in a cavity beneath the pyramids and the sphinx.


2 posted on 08/14/2009 10:13:49 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: LibWhacker

Use of the word “clearly” should raise the bs meter needle a few notches.

So are they caves really there or not?

Or is it “unclear”?

kuhl if tru.


3 posted on 08/14/2009 10:20:29 AM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09!)
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To: LibWhacker

And these colonies of bats emerge when and from where?


4 posted on 08/14/2009 10:23:16 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: LibWhacker
Zahi Hawass, chief of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, has dismissed the discovery.

He reminds me of baghdad bob sometimes.
"No slaves were used to build the pyramids"
"There are no new discoveries to be made at Giza. We know everything about the plateau,"

5 posted on 08/14/2009 10:24:08 AM PDT by allmost
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


6 posted on 08/14/2009 10:32:56 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (The emperor has no pedigree.)
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To: LibWhacker
Indiana Jones song playing in my head. Anyone else?
7 posted on 08/14/2009 10:41:45 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: johnnycap; All
Okay, that comment made me suspicious of this Collins guy. A little searching turned up this:
Andrew Collins, was raised in the Essex town of Wickford. As a teenager, he became a UFO investigator. In 1977, he investigated the first-ever missing time abduction case reported in the UK, and that investigation changed his life. He became a journalist with the magazine Strange Phenomena and openly sought the help of psychics in an attempt to better understand the relationship between UFOs, prehistoric sites, earth energies, and the human mind. As a science and history writer, he has authored a variety of books that challenge the way we perceive the past, including his best-selling The Cygnus Mystery, that delves into how ancient monuments and temples, that are still standing today, were built with an orientation towards Cygnus. Collins latest titles, The New Circlemakers and Beneath the Pyramids, were both publishing by 4th Dimension Press, an A.R.E. Press imprint, in 2009. Collins continues to speak and travel throughout the U.S. while living in the heart of crop circle country, near Marlborough, Wiltshire, with this wife Sue.

Beneath the Pyramids
Beneath the Pyramidsby Andrew Collins Beneath the pyramids of Egypt lies a lost underworld of catacombs, hewn chambers, and cave tunnels. They are alluded to in ancient texts and Arab legends, but have been lost for almost two millennium. They have now been rediscovered and investigated for the first time by science and history writer Andrew Collins. What now awaits discovery at Giza, and what exactly does this subterranean realm tell us about the pyramids, their relationship to the stars, and the mythical origins of Egyptian civilization?

Lavishly illustrated with color photos, this is a breathtaking personal journey of exploration and discovery."

Okie-dokie... He's a UFO researcher and this whole thing is a big fat hoax. So... Never mind, everyone. I apologize. (If anyone has any pull with the Admin Moderator, I'd appreciate it if you got this whole damned thread pulled.)
8 posted on 08/14/2009 10:42:06 AM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: LibWhacker

Caves are often associated with pyramids, all around the world.


9 posted on 08/14/2009 10:54:16 AM PDT by allmost
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To: LibWhacker
Very interesting that the “main man” in Egypt said that this was nothing. Makes me wonder if he is wanting to hide something.
10 posted on 08/14/2009 11:07:00 AM PDT by NorwegianViking (Organizing for America)
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To: LibWhacker

I see you’ve already done some checking and found the story is pretty dubious. Before I got to your background post, this made me suspicious.

“’We explored the caves before the air became too thin to continue. They are highly dangerous, with unseen pits and hollows, colonies of bats and venomous spiders,’ said Collins.”

I’ve never heard of air getting thin in caves. If a chamber were sealed it would be possible to use up the oxygen, but supposedly they are exploring through openings to areas where bats and spiders live. I guess there could also be areas where heavy gases from vents to underground hot springs or volcanic vents had replaced oxygen, but that doesn’t sound like Egypt.

Too bad. It would have been very cool.


11 posted on 08/14/2009 11:16:48 AM PDT by edweena
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To: NorwegianViking
Very interesting that the “main man” in Egypt said that this was nothing. Makes me wonder if he is wanting to hide something.

Probably some inconvenient graffiti.

"Aegyptes eunt domus", perhaps? "Shmuel was here." "Midianite girls are easy!"

12 posted on 08/14/2009 1:35:50 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: LibWhacker
I do not see anything, so far, to immediately discredit this gentlemans supposed findings.

'Air becoming thin' is a completely understandable 'British' term for bad air in a cave. Many caves have unbreathable air in lower levels. This causes gasping when trying to breathe. 'Thin air' is a good laymans' description for this situation.
13 posted on 08/14/2009 7:24:57 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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Thanks Hegemony Cricket. I'll have to check this out. There was a 1990s show (mostly) about Giza, starring Omar Sharif, which had Mark Lehner crawling around inside the Sphinx (there's a couple of rat-tunnels inside made by ancient or medieval thieves searching for hidden treasure) and in the Old Kingdom (4th Dynasty) catacombs under the plateau. I think that's also the video which has Lehner crawling through the Great Pyramid robber's hole, and showing us the Old Kingdom construction graffiti in one of the relieving chambers above the "King's Chamber" inside the GP.

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14 posted on 08/15/2009 6:59:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: LibWhacker
The Pyramids of Giza are a place I'd love to see.
Ever since I saw my 1st pack of Camels©, I thought boy that place is neat.

Don't know how long I could handle the heat though. 130oF is not my idea of fun. (yeah, I know. It's a 'dry heat')/s

15 posted on 08/15/2009 7:10:08 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: LibWhacker

If there are colonies of bats, I cannot believe that this cave has gone undetected. Someone would have seen their daily ingress/egress.


16 posted on 08/15/2009 8:00:55 AM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Bats and spiders and spelunking UFOologists...OH, MY!

Whatever you do, do not use earth-penetrating radar to ping! the Pyramids.

The "ping" is amplified by the Death Caverns, which rings Mother Gaea's chimes, resulting in a major planetary gong-bong (not to be confused with a gang-bang) that leads to the cleaning of Earth's Clock.

It can destroy the World As We Know It!

Zahi Hawass' secret Prime Duty has not to do with archaeology, but rather as a member The Guardians, to prevent this very thing from ever occurring. Archaeology is merely the public front he uses as cover for his real mission.

17 posted on 08/15/2009 12:57:59 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: ApplegateRanch

:’D


18 posted on 08/15/2009 1:33:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: allmost

Hawass strikes me as the sort who will discredit anthi8ng he does not find himself.


19 posted on 08/16/2009 7:30:05 AM PDT by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: Malacoda

He does seem more propaganda oriented at times. The cave concept makes sense if the Nile is as old as some claim. The continued flow of water erodes caves all over the planet. What’s inside? Who knows.


20 posted on 08/16/2009 7:39:52 AM PDT by allmost
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To: LibWhacker
This was discussed on Coast to Coast on July 22. Here is a bit of the write up on the part of the show relevant to this thread:

Atlantis, Cayce, & Artifacts Date:07-22-09 Host:George Noory Guests:Gregory Little

Expert on the American prophet Edgar Cayce, Greg Little discussed new discoveries in the search for Atlantis, mounds in ancient America, as well as findings in Egypt.

He related the research of British science writer Andrew Collins who found an opening into a cave complex that extends underneath Giza, Egypt. Collins has concluded that the pyramids on the Giza Plateau correlate to the constellation Cygnus, rather than Orion, as other researchers have claimed.

21 posted on 08/18/2009 2:05:20 PM PDT by chit*chat
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To: NavyCanDo

Snakes.

Why’d it hafta be snakes?


22 posted on 08/18/2009 2:08:09 PM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: LibWhacker
PS - Little & his wife first explored the caves on their own, eventually informing Hawass, who admitted that the caves were unknown to him.

I hope he will share the information in the future. It sounds like they are vast and it will take years to explore, catalog and present to the public. In the meantime I'm sure he wants to keep prying eyes away from the site. cc

23 posted on 08/18/2009 2:09:17 PM PDT by chit*chat
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To: LibWhacker
"According to Collins, the caves -- which are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years old..."

They can't seem to write about anything without injecting this kind of nonsense to make the rest of the article less credible.

24 posted on 08/18/2009 2:10:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: jdub

Not really to you jdub but yeah, why no one nioticed the bats. A friend pointed to bats, spiders, pyramids, caves so a search engine brought me here.
The directors of the ruins at Chichen and Palenque mentioned that pilgrims to the sites first visited an underground water temple and then others finally the pyramids. Pilgrims were prepared emotinally before attending ceremonies at the temples.
US anthropapology texts still don’t allow the possibility that ideas came to New World on boats from Egypt. The Sarcophagus at Palenque is cut with a footer just like those in Egypt. It makes sense in Egypt since the lath box holding the mummy was wide at the bottem so as to not fall over.
Anyone interested please visit Panchon at the gate of the ruins and verify the footer with Moises Morales who was there when the tomb was opened. Carlos Casteneda and R. Gordon Wasson were his friends as was “Miguel” who was main model for “Don Juan.”
Note that the picture on the lid of the sarcophagus is of a man “dying in meditational death” before the cross on whose crossbar is a serpent whith heads at both ends and a bird of prey at the top. It has all the symbols of the cadducces and the main Christian symbol group. johnshoemaker30@yahoo.com


25 posted on 09/06/2009 10:17:04 PM PDT by zapatero2
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