Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

How Long Do We Have?
Theodore's World ^ | April 29, 2006

Posted on 09/15/2009 12:42:07 AM PDT by kingattax

About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:


1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage "

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million; Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000 States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29 Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds:

"In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements living off government welfare..." Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency & apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

Pass this along to help everyone realize that apathy is also one the greatest danger to our freedom.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-29 next last

1 posted on 09/15/2009 12:42:08 AM PDT by kingattax
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: kingattax

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29

Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2..1

Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory Republicans won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...”

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.


2 posted on 09/15/2009 12:52:05 AM PDT by triSranch (Live from the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kingattax

Interesting... I’ve never seen those 8 phases before. I wonder how well that applies to all democracies?


3 posted on 09/15/2009 12:53:15 AM PDT by freestyle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: whatisthetruth

FYI Ping


4 posted on 09/15/2009 12:54:38 AM PDT by beaversmom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kingattax

Sorry, I left out... Here’s another one I found after reading yours. Thanks


5 posted on 09/15/2009 12:57:08 AM PDT by triSranch (Live from the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kingattax; freestyle; triSranch

Well, it’s a good thing then, that we are a Republic and not a Democracy.

That word, ‘democracy’, never appears in either the Declaration of Independence or the U.S.Constitution.

Democracies only last until voters figure out how to vote themselves largesse out of the national treausury.

A republic, if you can keep it, seem to be hardier and hold up better.


6 posted on 09/15/2009 12:58:20 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kingattax

Our King George isn’t across the Atlantic.


7 posted on 09/15/2009 12:59:26 AM PDT by wastedyears (The best aid we could ever give Africa would be thousands of rifles to throw out their own dictators)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freestyle

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2339912/posts

Step by Step Tyranny


8 posted on 09/15/2009 1:00:38 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: kingattax
bttt
9 posted on 09/15/2009 1:02:13 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FARS

FYI


10 posted on 09/15/2009 1:03:30 AM PDT by 1035rep
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

I give us maybe 5 years. I’ve been thinking about posting a vanity thread about this, giving my opinion.


11 posted on 09/15/2009 1:04:40 AM PDT by wastedyears (The best aid we could ever give Africa would be thousands of rifles to throw out their own dictators)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: SatinDoll

We should be using “Republic” way more offten, as in the Republic of Texas or your state, my state. Or the likes of Not in my Republic, Republic Conservatives, Republic Republicans.
Let the democrats claim the other.


12 posted on 09/15/2009 1:08:35 AM PDT by triSranch (Live from the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: kingattax

I’d say we are at step 7, slipping from apathy into bondage.


13 posted on 09/15/2009 1:16:56 AM PDT by Tublecane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Tublecane
I’d say we are at step 7, slipping from apathy into bondage.

Well I think today marks the first year of the beginning of bondage. How many trillions of dollars is this nation in debt? Those not yet born are in debt, that is bondage.

14 posted on 09/15/2009 1:39:33 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Just mythoughts

Some of us are rebuilding the Republic one American at a time.


15 posted on 09/15/2009 2:14:25 AM PDT by Global2010 (Strange We Can Believe In)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: kingattax
Misattributed quote.

http://www.lorencollins.net/tytler.html

Composed of two separate quotes pushed together, neither probably older than middle 20th century. Neither by the named author.

Doesn't necessarily invalidate the message, but accuracy is important.

I could also debate the specifics. For instance, are oligarchies or monarchies really less likely to fall due to loose fiscal policy? These forms of government are not likely to spend money on the same things, but are at least as likely to waste it. For instance, due to the ambition of those controlling the State oligarchies and monarchies are probably more prone to war, the fastest way to waste money ever invented.

What are the "great civilizations" it refers to and the dates of their start and end? Only then can one calculate an "average." China is arguably going on 3,000 years and still plugging along. Rome/Byzantium almost 2000 years.

16 posted on 09/15/2009 2:38:02 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kingattax
There is a civil war in the United States that starts in 2005. That conflict flares up and down for 10 years. In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States (which is the "other side" of the civil war from my perspective), China and Europe. The United States counter attacks. The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won. The European Union and China were also destroyed. Russia is now our largest trading partner and the Capitol of the US was moved to Omaha Nebraska.
17 posted on 09/15/2009 2:59:40 AM PDT by x_plus_one (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: triSranch; hiredhand; Jeff Head; DoughtyOne

Hmmmmm good read BTTT !


18 posted on 09/15/2009 3:22:05 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

Bookmark


19 posted on 09/15/2009 3:54:24 AM PDT by RoseyT (Lufkin/Nac area)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: triSranch

Originally were not only landowners able to vote? Maybe there was a good reason for this.


20 posted on 09/15/2009 4:02:45 AM PDT by Wildbill22
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-29 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson