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CZAR - The Russian word for King
Sept. 17, 2009 | J. D. Russell

Posted on 09/16/2009 6:53:01 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8

"No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States; and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them shall, without concent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreigh state."

Is this a stretch in reading of the Constitution?


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1 posted on 09/16/2009 6:53:01 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Texas Songwriter

Czar is Russian word for emperor. Emperor outranks king.


2 posted on 09/16/2009 6:54:36 PM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: Texas Songwriter

No it is not a stretch. Imagine if this was W with all the czars—the lefties would have let him have it. So we need to let hm have it. Do as they would have done.


3 posted on 09/16/2009 6:56:00 PM PDT by just_living
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To: Rider on the Rain

Actually it comes from the Latin title “Caesar”.

So does “Kaiser”, by the way.


4 posted on 09/16/2009 7:00:27 PM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: Sigurdrifta

You’re absolutely right. But it means emperor. Historically, the Kaiser had more than one kingdom, each ruled by a king.


5 posted on 09/16/2009 7:03:01 PM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: Texas Songwriter

Of course not. It’s Obama building his Shadow Government.

Did he (like Bush) make the comment after his election about “he won” ... so shut up already. Or something like that.


6 posted on 09/16/2009 7:03:02 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Texas Songwriter

“without consent of congress” is what makes this clearly applicable.

It is a shadow government of people with no accountability, no vetting, no background check, and no verification that they have no conflict of interest.

For all we know, every of these “Czars” could be representing any number of foreign nations, entities, or whatever!

WE DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING FOR THEIR SALARY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!


7 posted on 09/16/2009 7:05:36 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Texas Songwriter
Under this admnistration it is not a STRETCH.

How many does he have now??? Suspect he want to get to 50, one for every state.

8 posted on 09/16/2009 7:17:35 PM PDT by annieokie (i)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Czar- the Democrat word for Commissar.


9 posted on 09/16/2009 7:22:11 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Sigurdrifta
The Russian word for "king" is korol'--from Carolus (as in Charlemagne).

This doesn't violate the Constitution because the person granting the titles is not a foreign ruler. And the title "czar" might be considered a title of ignobility rather than one of nobility.

10 posted on 09/16/2009 7:28:02 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

“No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States”


11 posted on 09/16/2009 7:42:59 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: Sigurdrifta
The original Czar.


12 posted on 09/16/2009 7:46:12 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin is our Iron Lady of the North)
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To: Verginius Rufus
The first part of the sentence states, "No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States;"

That seems to cover the grantor other than foreign states or nobility. It seems to say, "No title of nobility may be granted by the United STATes. Perhaps the claim that the term CZAR is not being applied as nobility, however if we applied the term 'Prince', or 'Princess' or 'Emporor' it seems to take on a meaning of the word and is not just a euphemism.

If we look at the First and Second Amendment originalists seem to want to believe the words written. The mechanism to change the constitution used to be the adoption of a constitutional amendment, a constitutional convention, and now, the most popular, by judicial decree. Now, Presidential decree seems to be being applied.

13 posted on 09/16/2009 7:48:46 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Texas Songwriter
Not an issue, none of the “Czars” have the actual title of “Czar”. It's a term applied unofficially by journalists to an adviser to the President in charge of a specific area of policy.

It dates to the 80's and President Reagan's Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy who was called the “drug czar” by the press.

14 posted on 09/16/2009 9:53:24 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Texas Songwriter
It is one of those paradoxes in which Rome had an emperor, but refused to call him a king. In the same way, we have an imperial president, but we refuse to call him king. It is merely word games. What matters is the powers that an individual claims for himself, whether that be from a Roman senate or from an American one. The Founding Fathers of this nation never envisioned the powers that Obama claims for himself. They believed the axiom by Lord Acton: authority corrupts, absolute authority corrupts absolutely. Do you suppose that John Adams or Thomas Jefferson would ever appoint czars? Perhaps Obama and the other statists should learn from history, namely czars get overthrown.
15 posted on 09/16/2009 10:38:19 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Rider on the Rain
Czar is emperor
Korol/Kral is King, although this was rarely used. Vyaliky knyaz is either Grand Prince or King
Knjaz is Prince or Duke
16 posted on 09/17/2009 12:51:09 AM PDT by rmlew (“Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: Sigurdrifta

Latin, etc.

I have AGAIN begun watching the HBO DVD Series “Rome” - first and second seasons. Disturbing parallels in the history of both “Republics.”


17 posted on 09/17/2009 5:44:35 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("Semper Fi!)
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To: Joe Marine 76

Should be: “’BOTH of our ‘Republics.’”


18 posted on 09/17/2009 5:49:58 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("Semper Fi!)
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