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The Ten Biggest Lies of My Lifetime
Rational Review ^ | September 27, 2009 | J. Neil Schulman

Posted on 09/27/2009 5:04:44 AM PDT by J. Neil Schulman

The Ten Biggest Lies of My Lifetime
by J. Neil Schulman

This is my short list of “Big Lies” — propaganda which is promoted by major movements, and which denying often gets one tagged as a lunatic, denier, hatemonger, or simply irrelevant.

If you’re looking for me to put the Holocaust of European Jewry or Jihadis being responsible for 9/11 on this list, look elsewhere.

I’m 56 years old, born in April 1953. So I’m limiting myself to Big Lies present in my own lifetime.

Here we go, not in any chronological order.

1. The biggest threat to the human race today is man-caused global warming.

Every assumption behind this statement is either provably false or unproven. It’s uncertain whether the long-term climate trend is towards global warming rather than global cooling. It’s false that carbon dioxide and methane are the major “greenhouse gases.” (The major greenhouse gas is water vapor.) The most reliable climate-change models on planet earth don’t track with production of greenhouse gases as closely as they do with changes in solar radiation, and measurements of climate change on other planets in this solar system tend to match up with our own planet’s climate change. Industrial particulate air pollution reduces solar radiation so would produce global cooling rather than global warming. And the global warming crowd reveal themselves as a subset of the Zero Population Growth movement when they advocate not having children as a method of reducing global warming. Which brings us to Big Lie #2.

2. Human population growth must be curbed because it is increasing faster than the availability of resources needed to sustain itself.

No human being on planet earth is starving or sick because of the technological inability of the human race to feed, clothe, or treat most of their epidemic diseases. Third-world famines and epidemics of diseases no longer epidemic in the developed world are caused by warfare, theft of private property and relief supplies by warlords who sell them for personal luxuries and weapons, and anti-capitalistic policies which exterminate all attempts to invest or entrepreneur the creation of newly existing wealth. The assumption of a zero-sum game whereby one party’s gain is assumed to be stolen from another party is one major false premise underlying this cause of endless human tragedy; another is that technological advances caused by economic growth play no part in reducing demand on finite natural resources by multiplying the efficient use of these resources and creating artificial alternatives which also reduce demand on natural resources.

Nor is there any actual “limit to growth” when you bring in the virtually unlimited space, energy, and mineral resources available starting as close as earth’s own moon and asteroids in permanent earth-moon orbit, then expanding out to the entire solar system and eventually other solar systems. Star Trek got this, at least, right. The technology to harvest these resources is off the shelf and the cost would be less than what the United States has spent on the War in Iraq.

3. Abortion is murder.

The assumptions behind this statement require religious people to substitute the concept of eternal life with a secular biological one that defines life as mortal. The statement that a new human life begins with conception is biologically true but not true according to anyone who actually believes in the existence of an immortal soul. If one believes in an immortal soul then a new human life begins the first moment that an immortal soul exists within a human body. The Hebrews believed that the soul enters the body with its birth and first breath — thus the English word “inspiration” comes from roots meaning “intake of breath.” Christianity and modern Judaism often abandon the roots of their own religions and substitute the revisionist argument that the soul is present from the moment of conception — an absurd and actually horrible idea if you look at it from the point of view of an active conscious being imprisoned within a tiny cluster of cells.

Furthermore, the idea that an embryo or fetus has human rights can only go back to the beginnings of the concept of human rights with the English Leveller’s movement in the 17th century — a decidedly modernist development. Nowadays there are attempts to extend the idea of rights beyond the human species to all other living things (including microbes) and even to inanimate objects including the earth, itself. The self-named pro-life movement which attempts to extend human rights to the unborn use the same logic and arguments as the animal rights and Gaia-rights movements. Which brings us directly to #4.

4. Animals have the same fundamental rights as humans.

The concept of opposing cruelty to animals has morphed away from this noble and purely human esthetic concept into an attempt to make the idea of human rights absurd and deniable by forgetting their origins and meaning, debasing them like fiat money replaces mediums of exchange possessing intrinsic utility.

Rights are a moral concept, and morality is meaningless if split off from the concept of moral actors. Unless one is ready to accept dogs, cattle, and fish as having the mens rea to be held accountable for their actions, the concept of animal rights is an absurdity, and the animal rights movement is a criminal racket that relies on the empathy of human beings to attack the individual property rights and civil liberties of other human beings.

5. Disarmament promotes peace and security.

From disarming the airline passengers who flew on September 11, 2001 to the disarmament by both the Nazis and Soviet Union of the Estonians, there is no policy which has directly enabled more genocide, holocausts, and mass murders than reducing the general supply of weapons that can be used to resist and combat armed and aggressive statists, gangsters, terrorists, madmen, and free-lance predators than the unilateral disarmament of civilians and defense forces. I’m not even going to argue the point. I simply challenge anyone to study history, note how disarmament universally precedes mass violence, and challenge anyone disputing this statement to find me a counter-example where a disarmed population suffered less than the armed one which preceded it.

6. Police forces are necessary to prevent crime and keep the peace.

Going back to the prefects of ancient China and the Praetorian Guard of the Roman Empire, police forces have always been extensions of imperial power, providing despots internal domestic control while traditional military forces conquered and controlled foreigners.

The framers of the American system of government were well aware of the millennia-long history of police forces and rejected the concept in favor of civilian self-defense. Local criminals were to be apprehended by raising a “hue-and-cry” whereby the civilian population formed themselves into temporary law-enforcement units under the concept of “posse comitatus” (translation from Latin is “power of the county”) to arm themselves and bring suspected criminals to a magistrate for trial. How these posses functioned can be seen in western movies and TV shows, where an elected sheriff or U.S. marshal had no forces of their own to enforce law or keep the peace, but had to rely on deputizing the local population to maintain law and order. This reliance by government officials on civilians tended to act as a brake on criminal gangs taking over frontier towns, and also prevented organized criminal gangs such as the Black Hand from extending their reach beyond the borders of cities like Chicago and Kansas City, whose police forces were agents of the local power brokers.

Today’s police forces are better trained, more professional, and less reliant on direct bribery than earlier police forces, and in private life are often good neighbors, but when on duty they are still enforcers of political power who shake down the civilian population through draconian fines for parking and minor traffic infraction (for example, $100 fines for failing to feed a parking meter 25 cents), eminent domain abuses, asset forfeiture laws, and the unconstitutional war on the individual’s right to determine one’s own self-medication, mood alteration, and state of consciousness on private property.

Common myths about police are that they have a duty to protect you (they don’t; all states immunize police for failure to protect); that police will save you when you phone 911 (if you’re being held hostage by an armed criminal the police will set up a perimeter outside and not go in until it’s safe for themselves, no matter what’s being done to you by your captor); and that violent crime rates are lower the more police there are per population unit (the opposite is true; rural areas with fewer police per population unit commonly have a lower violent crime rate per population unit than urban areas with more police per population unit).

One can’t argue that increasing legal availability of civilian firearms automatically decreases violent crime (to do that one would have to explain how one city with identical laws to another city can have five times its sister city’s violent crime rate) but one can show that increasing the cop-to-criminal ratio is no more effective than increasing the civilian-gun-to-criminal ratio — and the latter is a whole lot cheaper and far less injurious to civil liberties.

7. Gay couples should be treated exactly the same as straight couples.

Beginning in the 1930’s, Alfred Kinsey’s groundbreaking studies of human sexuality showed human sexual behavior to be almost infinitely varied. I carefully say “sexual behavior” rather than “sex,” because only human acts which have the potential of reproduction actually qualify as “sex.” Perpetuation of the species demands that all other behavior be called something else. I favor the anthropological term “pair-bonding,” the sociological term “coupling,” and the informal terms “sex play” and “love play.”

Human beings who engage in same-sex coupling have the exact same rights as human beings who engage in opposite-sex coupling: the natural fruits of their coupling. Since biology requires opposite-sex coupling to produce offspring, same-sex coupling is naturally discriminated against for this purpose, and social institutions like monogamous heterosexual marriage that have evolved to protect and encourage the perpetuation of the human species must either reflect this biological reality in custom and language or devalue human reproduction. It’s obvious to me that the agenda to equate same-sex coupling with opposite-sex-coupling in movies, television, and other mass media is at least as much to discourage human population growth as it is to oppose the hateful bigotry against same-sex couples which results in denying same-sex couples the right to enjoy their lives together in a free and tolerant society.

I am not a partisan for monogamous heterosexual marriage. I’d be perfectly happy if marriage laws and customs were entirely divorced from both state and church. I have no personal objection to norming any and all partnering or group affiliation between or among consenting adults of any sexual persuasion. Gays have no more right to pride in their sexual lifestyle than a completely heterosexual degenerate like myself, who wants only adult women to do perverted things with me. We’re still hiding in the closet, thank you very much.

But to lie about biology, history, anthropology, sociology, and all other attempts to quantify and classify the human experience in order to promote a narrow and ephemeral minority political agenda is wrong and I will continue to expose these lies when they deny that social customs, language usage, and economic institutions should reflect the biological truth that making a baby requires at least one participant from each of the two sexes.

8. The Holocaust of European Jews is unique in human history.

I’m Jewish, and I can’t think of any idea quite as absurd to me as the idea that my kin are superior to the rest of the human species. That’s an ancient Jewish meme that got turned around by the Nazis, with devastating results just before I was born.

I’m not going to argue that Jews and Judaism haven’t made unique and valuable contributions to the human experience. That would be equally false and absurd. But it’s illogical to extrapolate from this that the Jewish contributions to human history are uniquely valuable. The Greeks contributed as much. So did the Chinese. So did the Arabs. So did the English. So did the Americans. The Irish. Can I stop now before this essay turns into a roster of the ethnicities seated in the United Nations?

Nor is the Jewish experience for being discriminated against, enslaved, and massacred unique. Blacks got it as bad. So did the Estonians, the Tutsis, the Kulaks, the Gypsies, the Pariahs, the Christians, the Irish, the English, the Armenians, the Native Americans, the Sicilians, the Cherokee – again, I’d find it hard to find an ethnic group that hasn’t had the crap kicked out of them one time or another.

Having the crap kicked out of your own kind is probably the one most common bond that each of us has with everyone else.

The maximum estimate for the extermination of European Jewry by the Nazis is six million. That’s dwarfed in the twentieth century alone by mega-exterminations in the Soviet Union and China, with seven-figure ethnic genocides in Armenia, Cambodia, and Rwanda trailing not far behind.

My people: Good job. You gave the world Torah and many more non-Jews than Jews follow its teachings — and that includes our historical enemies. But enough already with the chosen people crap. It’s gotten old and pisses off others, which makes it hard to have friends.

9. America is a Christian country.

This one won’t take very long to refute at all. Draw a Venn diagram. A big circle with the population of the United States. In that circle a smaller circle with Christians. Inside the big circle another circle with everyone else — Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccens, Odin-worshippers, atheists, agnostics, etc.

Doesn’t matter how large the circle containing Christians is. America is founded on the idea of individualism, not collectivism. That the majority should be able to impose its values on the minority is un-American even if it were down to half a billion Christians and a single non-believer. And Christians might consider that a turn of the wheel might make them a minority, and a record for tolerance might be useful when dealing with a new majority.

Your ancestors came here for freedom of worship. Honor them by extending the same freedom to everyone else. Keep your peanut butter away from my chocolate unless I specifically ask to make a Reese.

10. America is the last superpower and runs the world.

I’m not even sure I need to refute this one anymore, although it’s been the general assumption in most places for most of my life, both by Americans and foreigners.

By now it should be obvious this isn’t true.

Remember the Doolittle Raid in World War II? A few army planes stripped down to the bone manage to fly off an aircraft carrier and bomb Japan? It was mostly a symbolic attack because there were far too few planes to damage Japan’s war effort. But the reason for the raid was that America’s war “ally,” Josef Stalin, refused President Franklin Roosevelt permission to use Russian soil to launch a sustained bombing attack on Japan.

At the end of World War II when both the Nazis and Imperial Japan were defeated, and even though the United States had a monopoly on atomic bombs until 1949, the Soviet Union managed to occupy half of Europe and foment communist revolutions throughout the world creating a worldwide opposition to the power of the United States and its allies.

This standoff continued until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, when there was a brief illusion that the United States was the last remaining superpower. But during that period, Cuba remained communist and though any agreement President Kennedy might have made with Premier Khrushchev would have died with the USSR, the United States made no attempt to take the island.

Nor did the United States have universal success in staving off communist coups in Central and South America … or even in its own universities.

If anyone thinks that situation fundamentally changed any time since the collapse of the Soviet Union, ask yourself how Turkey got away with telling the United States to piss off when President Bush wanted to invade Iraq via Turkey.

When the United States was most influential was not when the United States was most aggressive militarily but when its goods were most craved by foreigners: when a luxury car in Japan was not a Lexus but a Pontiac, when Russians drank Pepsi and the Chinese drank Coca Cola, when the gold standard of cigarettes was Old Gold and other American brands.

The United States was once the world’s shopping mall. Not anymore. Not for a long time. The path back to the glory days is when the American people get shut of the debt its government and corporations have run up in their name, and instead use their money to invent and make new things the rest of the world wants.

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J. Neil Schulman is author of the classic novel of agorist revolution, Alongside Night, which can be downloaded free from www.alongsidenight.net, and writer/producer/directer of the comic thriller, Lady Magdalene’s (www.ladymagdalenes.com). Full bio information can be found on Facebook, LinkedIn, Wikipedia, IMDb, Amazon.com, and his personal website at www.jneilschulman.com/.



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To: J. Neil Schulman
No wonder I didn’t get it.

Yeah right.

151 posted on 09/27/2009 7:46:18 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

Not that so much a rational as it is a rationalist review. Libertarians do have such a bug up their keisters when it comes to Christianity. Human life begins before the young humans exit the womb yet abortion has special politicized exemptions for it that no other surgeries have. Hmm, wonder why? Perhaps the might of the big humans trumps the rights of the little ones.


152 posted on 09/27/2009 8:15:39 PM PDT by TradicalRC (The peace sign is the new swastika.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

America was indeed a Christian country and it took the anti-Christians many decades to accomplish their goal of stripping the country of her religious heritage. It was Christianity that gave rise to America, no other faith. Others came here because of the tolerance afforded by a Christian nation, else why bother coming?


153 posted on 09/27/2009 8:19:03 PM PDT by TradicalRC (The peace sign is the new swastika.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

I wish I could argue with you...


154 posted on 09/27/2009 8:25:30 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

By your reasoning: If the people delegate enough of their power to the government to forbid prostitution, murder, and robbery, they have delegated enough of their power to the government to do anything.

If you determine abortion up to the 9th month is not murder because the body has no soul until it takes it’s first breath, then the government which is already separating from our Judeo Christian foundation, can use atheism to make evil laws for the good of the human soul-less race and planet earth.

You’ve declared unborn babies have no soul based on your personal belief and then use that belief to justify abortion. The majority of Americans disagree. And since there is no proof of soul to satisfy un-believers the law should err on the side of the unborn baby. It is a slippery slope from first-movement, to first-breath, to first-steps, to first-words. At what point is the newborn infant fully human and deserving of protection under the law? You and Obama say first breath. In many Godless nation’s it’s after first breath.


155 posted on 09/27/2009 9:01:50 PM PDT by carmody
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To: J. Neil Schulman

If you aren’t sure, then NOT killing the baby seems to be the prudent choice. If you aren’t sure and still kill the baby because you THINK the soul hasn’t entered yet, you are simply a murderer with a good rationalization.


156 posted on 09/27/2009 10:51:12 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: NewCenturions

Did you notice him trying to super-complicate his abortion argument? Yeah, ending the life of an unborn child is murder. They say that the kids aren’t people. The same argument people used for slavery.


157 posted on 09/27/2009 11:14:59 PM PDT by The Future 2012 (Would the good people like a reply?)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
I’m Jewish, and I can’t think of any idea quite as absurd to me as the idea that my kin are superior to the rest of the human species.

Your right your not superior.

But you are the most stiff necked stubborn and thick headed.

158 posted on 09/27/2009 11:49:02 PM PDT by right way right
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To: ansel12
Is that based on exit polls or what, how do you get to those high percentages and measurement of emotional state.

Have you read much about the history of the various occupations? With the entirely honorable exception of Denmark and Norway, and the surprising partial exceptions of Serbia, Italy and Hungary, most of the regimes in the occupied countries cooperated in the hunt for Jews. Some were highly enthusiastic, like Croatia and Slovakia. Even the Dutch and French were in general helpful to the Gestapo.

I don't have any statistics, but the facts are widely available. That's why the state of Israel has honored those who resisted and helped protect Jews.

159 posted on 09/28/2009 6:45:36 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

Just curious. Absent a police force paid by taxes, how are the free market investigators paid?

Most crimes are committed against poor people, who don’t have the money to pay for an investigation.


160 posted on 09/28/2009 6:48:27 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: rlmorel

Fair enough.

I hereby grant you official permission to have a differing opinion.

:)


161 posted on 09/28/2009 6:50:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan

Very gracious of you, thanks...see you in the forums...:)


162 posted on 09/28/2009 8:17:49 AM PDT by rlmorel (You cannot reap the benefits right now of the planning ahead you didn't do in the past.)
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To: Sherman Logan
unfortunately, most of the local gentiles were willing and eager

So you can't produce the facts, you just decided to make that unsubstantiated post that the majority of citizens were eager.

163 posted on 09/28/2009 10:14:45 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

In recent years, the extent of local collaboration with the Nazis in eastern Europe has become more apparent. Historian Alan Bullock writes: “The opening of the archives both in the Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe has produced incontrovertible evidence [of] ... collaboration on a much bigger scale than hitherto realized of Ukrainians and Lithuanians as well as Hungarians, Croats and Slovaks in the deportation and murder of Jews.”[23] Historians have been examining the question “Was the Holocaust a European Project?” Historian Dieter Pohl has estimated that more than 200,000 non-Germans “prepared, carried out and assisted in acts of murder.” That is about the same number as Germans and Austrians. Historian Götz Aly has concluded that the Holocaust was in fact a “european project that cannot be explained solely by the special circumstances of German history.” [24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_(responsibility)#Other_states


164 posted on 09/28/2009 10:26:04 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan

I still don’t see 51% nor the proof of eagerness.


165 posted on 09/28/2009 10:30:10 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I give up. There are no statistics from the period, as the Nazis for some reason didn’t allow pollsters to operate in the countries they occupied.

There is also the slight difficulty that people who expressed any disagreement with Nazi policy tended to become very dead, so most people were just a little unlikely to express such opposition openly.

Come to think of it, you made the initial claim that there would have been massive open resistance to Nazi attempts to murder Jews in situ and that this was a more important factor in the decision to set up death camps than resistance from Wehrmacht officers to using the Army in such a role. Why don’t you come up with some documentation for such a preposterous claim?


166 posted on 09/28/2009 10:37:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan

You got me confused with another poster.


167 posted on 09/28/2009 10:40:09 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Quite likely. Sorry.


168 posted on 09/28/2009 10:48:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Sherman Logan; J. Neil Schulman
Impeccable logic in this post:

Per #3. A body becomes “ensouled” when it draws its first breath?

This opens the way to “full birth abortion.” Just put a plastic bag over the baby’s head as he’s being born.

No breath, no soul, no murder.

Why our concepts of when human personhood begins should depend on the pre-scientific musings of ancient Hebrew priests is beyond me.

{that wasn't the logic of a majority of those priests...contra what J. Neil Schulman says...)

BTW, the Catholic Church long considered human life to begin at “quickening,” when the mother becomes able to feel the baby moving. Their change of this position was based on better scientific understanding of the pregnancy process.

Not only the Catholic Church, but the Jewish/Christian writer of the 1st Century, a Medical Doctor no less, Dr. Luke, thought so.

"But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!" (New Testament bible, Luke 1:44, 45)
(Only persons leap for joy....blobs of protoplasm could care less....)

Also King David,the great hero/poet/king of Jewish history, writing in the Psalms around 1000 BCE proclaims:

"For you created my inmost being;

you knit me together in my mother's womb.
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well. " (Psalm 139:13, 14)

How sad it is when someone with a marvelous religious heritage abandons it for modern secularist sirens...

169 posted on 09/28/2009 1:04:33 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: J. Neil Schulman
“America is a Christian country”

Look at the philosophers that influenced the climate in which the constitution was written. Concepts of justice were founded in divine law, written law, common law. Divine law drew from Christian principles. Ask yourself, what is justice and where does it come from during that time? Forget about your diagrams. Who created the concept of inalienable rights? What is a right? Where did such rights come from?

170 posted on 09/28/2009 6:41:04 PM PDT by SQUID
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To: carmody

carmody wrote:

“You’ve declared unborn babies have no soul based on your personal belief and then use that belief to justify abortion.”

I’ve done no such thing. The burden on a person using religious premises to outlaw abortion is to prove by that a soul is present. Whether or not a majority interprets their religion’s scripture or church fathers as supporting their view, those who disagree should not be subject to the tyranny of the majority. Rights are individual, not collective.

You don’t want to have an abortion you have the right not to have one. The individual conscience of someone who disagrees with you should have no less standing under any theory of human rights.

Your right to decide a fetus is human rests only with you and your life. Your opinion is binding on no one else.


171 posted on 09/29/2009 10:15:26 PM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
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To: Sherman Logan

“Just curious. Absent a police force paid by taxes, how are the free market investigators paid?”

I see. You favor robbing Peter to Pay for Paul’s protection. Good to know there are socialists here on Free Republic.

“Most crimes are committed against poor people, who don’t have the money to pay for an investigation.”

Let’s compromise and give the poor gun stamps.


172 posted on 09/29/2009 10:18:19 PM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
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To: Republic of Texas

Republic of Texas wrote:

“If you aren’t sure, then NOT killing the baby seems to be the prudent choice. If you aren’t sure and still kill the baby because you THINK the soul hasn’t entered yet, you are simply a murderer with a good rationalization.”

If you’re not sure, where do you get the balls to impose your guesstimate on others by force of law?

The American position is individual freedom of conscience because one man’s opinion is another man’s snort of derision.


173 posted on 09/29/2009 10:22:49 PM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
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To: SQUID

Human rights adhere to self-conscious beings capable of making volitional moral choices.

How these beings got that way is a matter of debate between those who believe in creation and those who believe it happened by a series of natural accidents.

I believe in both. God created the universe and natural law did the rest ... with a little Divine tweaking once in a while.


174 posted on 09/29/2009 10:27:00 PM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
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To: right way right
Your right your not superior.

But you are the most stiff necked stubborn and thick headed.

Your people, whoever they might be, are obviously inferior.

Learn contractions.

175 posted on 09/29/2009 10:28:23 PM PDT by Chunga (Being A Libertarian Means Never Having To Actually Govern)
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To: J. Neil Schulman
How would one know what is moral and immoral? By what standard?

Did God give us free will or did we?

What exactly would you say He tweaked?

Thanks for the meaningful discussion.

176 posted on 09/30/2009 5:16:31 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: J. Neil Schulman

I merely asked a question about how certain generally thought to be necessary services would be funded.

You then jumped to the conclusion that I’m in favor of one particular method of funding.


177 posted on 09/30/2009 5:42:52 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

If the government determines there is no soul or God (separation of church and state) then there is no justification to punish or outlaw any murder except those that the government determines as a crime against a secular society. And that’s where the ACLU & the Progressives are taking us.

Where no soul exists no crime exists whether you are a fetus growing older or a 45 year old (still growing) or an 85 year old (still growing). If you are a drain on societies resources a soul-less government can vote to end your life.

And the debate over abortion is pivotal to this argument. If the government’s default position is no-soul then abortion is lawful. If the government’s default position is no-God, then ending a human life at any stage of it’s biological growth is also lawful. Death panels are a real possibility for families (2 child limit), people with disabilities, and the elderly. No God - no crime.


178 posted on 09/30/2009 7:35:55 AM PDT by carmody
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To: Chunga
Yes, that sentence was really bad.
It was a very hastily made hit and run comment.

Not everyone here is of such “superior intellect” as you.

After all, this is just a place where “the grassroots of conservatism gather and champion causes which further conservatism in America."

I guess punctuation is your chosen cause.

You are so far above me!

I am so unworthy!

So very unworthy!

179 posted on 09/30/2009 8:24:33 AM PDT by right way right
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

Lost me on #3, a fetus is alive as soon as it starts to grow, that means at the moment of conception. To say it is a lie to call abortion murder is idiotic and his argument is nonsensical.


180 posted on 09/30/2009 9:13:11 AM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: J. Neil Schulman

If protecting a baby’s life is “imposing a guesstimate”, then every other right or restriction mentioned in the Constitution is an “imposition” as well. Those come from the “Creator” and not man, btw.

We aren’t going to agree here, so if you want to support killing babies in the womb, save your rationalizations for those that agree with you.


181 posted on 09/30/2009 9:34:00 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: calex59

Calex,

I firmly believe that life starts at conception.

I was reading the article, pretty much agreeing with the author’s points, until he listed “Abortion is murder” as a lie. At that point (#3), he lost me (my interest in reading any more of his article).

Blessings.


182 posted on 09/30/2009 9:59:40 AM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (YHWH Yahushua)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

Anyone who thinks otherwise is just not thinking.


183 posted on 09/30/2009 10:12:57 AM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed wrote:

“I was reading the article, pretty much agreeing with the author’s points, until he listed “Abortion is murder” as a lie. At that point (#3), he lost me (my interest in reading any more of his article).”

So you stop reading when you reach something you disagree with.

C.S. Lewis wrote an essay called “On Watchful Dragons.” He was talking about how some people stop reading or listening the moment they see the word “Christian” or “Christianity” or “Jesus.”

You have your own Watchful Dragon that prevents you from reading or listening.

Robert A. Heinlein said, “You can only learn from someone you disagree with.”

If you stop reading because you reach a point of disagreement, you’ve decided that you’ve learned all you’re going to learn, and you might as well put an “Out of Business” sign on your brain.

JNS


184 posted on 09/30/2009 10:16:57 AM PDT by J. Neil Schulman
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