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Symbols akin to Indus valley culture found
Manorama Online ^ | Tuesday, September 29, 2009 | unattributed

Posted on 09/29/2009 3:17:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Of the identified 429 signs, "a man with jar cup", a symbol unique to the Indus civilisation and other compound letters testified to remnants of the Harappan culture, spanning from 2300 BC to 1700 BC, in South India, Varier, who led the excavation at the caves said. The "man-with-the-jar" symbol, an integral remnant commonly traced in parts where the Indus Valley civilisation existed, has even more similarities than those traced in Karnataka and Tamil Nadu, he said. The 'man-with-the-jar' has been a distinct motif of the Indus valley symbols. The Edakkal engraving has retained its unique style as the engraver tried to attain a two-dimensional human figure, Varier said. This could be attributed to the transformation from the distinct symbols of the Indus Valley civilisation that could have taken place in due course of time, he said. The 'jar' is more or less same as those in Indus ligature. But the human figure is a little different. "These symbols form part of compound letters similar to scripts and no concerted efforts appear to have been made in the past to decipher them, with a lone exception by Iravatha Mahadevan (a scholar on the Indus valley civilisation), who could gather valuable ideas from such letters," he said. "The discovery of the symbols are akin to that of the Harappan civilisation having predominantly Dravidian culture and testimony to the fact that cultural diffusion could take place. It is wrong to presume that the Indus culture disappeared into thin air," Varier said.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: aryaninvasion; aryans; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; harappan; harappans; indusscript; indusvalley; indusvalleyscript

1 posted on 09/29/2009 3:17:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 09/29/2009 3:18:27 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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3 posted on 09/29/2009 3:18:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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from the following title:
Parpula's two volumes of photographs covering the collections of India and Pakistan, which appeared in 1987 and 1991... and his 1994 sign list, containing 386 signs (as against Mahadevan's 419 signs), are generally recognized as fine achievements, not least by Mahadevan... This is a significant figure. It is too high for a syllabary like Linear B... and too low for a highly logographic script like Chinese. the nearest comparison... are probably the Hittite hieroglyphs with about 500 signs and Sumerian cuneiform with perhaps 600+ signs... Most scholars therefore agree that the Indus script is likely to be a logosyllabic script like its west Asian contemporaries. [pp 281-284]

These Dravidian speakers are presumably remnants of a once-widespread Dravidian culture submerged by encroaching Indo-Aryans in the 2nd millennium BC... The Indo-Aryan hymns, the Vedas... recount tales of conquest of the forts of the dark-skinned Dasa or Dasyu... the Vedas repeatedly mention the horse in their descriptions of warfare and sacrifice, and this animal was clearly a vital part of Indo-Aryan society... But there is not horse imagery at all in the Indus Valley civilization and virtually no horse remains have been found by archaeologists. Hence the Indus civilizations is unlikely to have been Indo-Aryan. [pp 290-291]
Robinson mentions "a substantial inscription found at Dholavira near the coast of Kutch in 1990, which appears to have been a kind of sign board for the city." [p 295]

Lost Languages: The Enigma Of The Worlds Undeciphered Scripts Lost Languages:
The Enigma Of The World's Undeciphered Scripts

by Andrew Robinson

Incidentally, Sumerian was an isolate, and agglutinative (like the Indus script appears to be, though it can't be read), and the Sumerians recorded that they had come from elsewhere by sea...
4 posted on 09/29/2009 3:22:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

FRiend Sunken Civ, the Aryan Invasion theory has now been discredited as it sems to have little basis in history and antiquity.

The hypothesis that the Sarasvati (Indus) Valley civilization is a Dravidian one is also suspect and is put forth by charlatans like Iravatham Mahadevan (who i also mentioned in your excerpt).

How are you?


5 posted on 09/29/2009 3:35:32 PM PDT by indcons
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To: SunkenCiv

6 posted on 09/29/2009 3:40:46 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: SunkenCiv

Adding to my reading “to do” list.


7 posted on 09/29/2009 4:33:39 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: SunkenCiv
"Incidentally, Sumerian was an isolate, and agglutinative (like the Indus script appears to be, though it can't be read), and the Sumerians recorded that they had come from elsewhere by sea..."

They came from Sundalandwhen it went underwater.

8 posted on 09/29/2009 4:38:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

agglutinative?

Those are the natives that can’t tolerate wheat?


9 posted on 09/29/2009 5:03:49 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 251 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

Hay, quit going against the grain.


10 posted on 09/29/2009 6:07:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: blam

Oh yeah? then why aren’t they called the Sunderians? Huh? Huh? ;’)

The Sumerians referred to themselves as “the black headed people”, which may just refer to problems with the pores in their epidermis...


11 posted on 09/29/2009 6:09:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Not bad! Not bad at all!


12 posted on 09/29/2009 6:09:10 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 251 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: indcons

The Aryan invasion is factual, and has been rejected for nationalists. The Aryans came out of Central Asia, more than once, and not just into India.


13 posted on 09/29/2009 6:10:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: indcons

And oh yeah, BTW, where have *you* been? I hear from you maybe every two months around here.


14 posted on 09/29/2009 6:12:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Not sure this is all the related topics, should be more I believe, but anyway, four or five keywords, dups out, chrono sort:
15 posted on 09/29/2009 6:24:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: JoeProBono

I’m not gonna ask about that jarring image. ;’)


16 posted on 09/29/2009 6:25:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: rdl6989

I highly recommend it. Somehow it remains interesting throughout.


17 posted on 09/29/2009 6:26:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: null and void

Oat, tell me more.


18 posted on 09/29/2009 6:27:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

Your post is badly spelt...


19 posted on 09/29/2009 6:37:07 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 251 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: SunkenCiv

LOL - back for a slightly longer duration this time around, I think ;)


20 posted on 09/29/2009 6:57:14 PM PDT by indcons
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To: null and void

It’s late, and I’m barley able to stay awake.


21 posted on 09/29/2009 7:24:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s teff...


22 posted on 09/29/2009 7:28:48 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 251 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"a man with jar cup"

Please, God, not Jar Jar Binks.

23 posted on 09/30/2009 1:13:41 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Barack Obama is an old Kenyan word for Jimmy Carter)
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To: colorado tanker

That would explain their disappearance...


24 posted on 09/30/2009 4:23:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: null and void

I’m semolina response right now.


25 posted on 09/30/2009 4:24:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: indcons

Interestingly, there’s at least two researchers who think there *is* no language behind the Indus Valley symbols. I thought there’d been a topic about this, but couldn’t lay hands on it.

http://www.ejvs.laurasianacademy.com/ejvs1102/ejvs1102article.pdf
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/%7Ewitzel/mwpage.htm
http://www.safarmer.com/


26 posted on 09/30/2009 4:27:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m chaffing at the bit awaiting your reply...


27 posted on 09/30/2009 5:39:26 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 252 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the links, FRiend.

Researchers recently found that the Sarasvati Valley symbols are a language. BTW, I don’t care much about Witzel - he is a “progressive” goon who masquerades as an Indologist.


28 posted on 09/30/2009 7:02:54 PM PDT by indcons
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