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One Unhinged Muslim & One Incompetent General

Posted on 11/05/2009 7:58:38 PM PST by SwaggerStick

More intriguing to me than the story behind an unhinged Muslin is how in the hell a General could stand before America and deal out so much misinformation – there was only one shooter who had two pistols, he was shot dead and the person who shot the shooter was also shot dead.

Now I know why so many of our young are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our Generals don’t know their asses from their elbows. One would expect miss information from civilians, but hearing it from seasoned military people who are very accustomed to battle is amazing.

When you have a General who lacks the common sense to realize there is no way in hell one man with two pistols could kill 11 and wound 31 you have a General who will lead our soldiers to slaughter.

Not only was the General dead wrong with his information, his second press conference was hours late with only a passing mention of him being tardy.

I served 3 years in the Army and 4 years in the Air Force, all I can say is I hope to hell we never face off with Russia or China with Generals like this.


TOPICS: Local News; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: army; nidalmalikhasan; yayanothervanity
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1 posted on 11/05/2009 7:58:39 PM PST by SwaggerStick
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To: SwaggerStick

Ahhh...latest reports show that the scumbag is still alive...


2 posted on 11/05/2009 8:00:27 PM PST by Yorktownpatriot
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To: SwaggerStick

I agree with the rest of your posting heartily.


3 posted on 11/05/2009 8:01:14 PM PST by Yorktownpatriot
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To: Yorktownpatriot

Now the Obummer spin begins!

The spin is that Obama will blame George Bush for driving this guy to go crazy! Hasan is a George Bush victim


4 posted on 11/05/2009 8:01:43 PM PST by ncfool (Obama Bare fisted Politican at home. Pantywaist VS. Real thugs abroad.)
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To: SwaggerStick
When you have a General who lacks the common sense to realize there is no way in hell one man with two pistols could kill 11 and wound 31 you have a General who will lead our soldiers to slaughter.

Um, how many did the lone shooter at Virginia Tech shoot and kill and wound????? There were 32 dead (33 including the shooter) and 23 injured. There is a way one man can do that much carnage. Not to excuse the General giving out reports that were not accurate, but the argument on this issue is not supported.

5 posted on 11/05/2009 8:07:04 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: SwaggerStick

I think that the FBI on orders from very high up was telling people what to say. This has to have shaken Obama up. The administration was hoping that the violence would come from the right.


6 posted on 11/05/2009 8:10:05 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Obama: Grasping at Straw Men _ Not a Public Option It's a government mandate.)
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To: SwaggerStick
how in the hell a General could stand before America and deal out so much misinformation – there was only one shooter who had two pistols, he was shot dead and the person who shot the shooter was also shot dead.

I take it you are talking about General Cone. Do you have any way to prove he is wrong? Is there a reason to say the murderer is still alive and the off-duty cop is still alive when it isn't true?

7 posted on 11/05/2009 8:10:44 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: SwaggerStick

Hey Patton,

Imagine a barrel full of fish.


8 posted on 11/05/2009 8:11:22 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: SwaggerStick

What gets me is that this is a MILITARY BASE! He has the time to load and reload getting of 50 shots, minimum? This isn’t some college campus where no one is allowed to carry guns, this is our MILITARY!

Frightening.


9 posted on 11/05/2009 8:13:18 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: eyedigress

But it is true. The gunman is alive.


10 posted on 11/05/2009 8:14:46 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: SoldierDad

Sonds like an affrimative action General .. sure his name wasn’t Powell?


11 posted on 11/05/2009 8:15:01 PM PST by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: SwaggerStick

Muslin is a type of cloth.


12 posted on 11/05/2009 8:15:22 PM PST by Born Conservative ("I'm a fan of disruptors" - Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Mike Darancette
The administration was hoping that the violence would come from the right.

I hope they don't spin it that way and tell us that this Muslim soldier was "Conservative", Republican, wrote on right-wing blogs, attended a tea party, etc...

13 posted on 11/05/2009 8:16:10 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (The Libs play dirty because the Libs ARE dirty.)
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To: ncfool

Just heard the shooter had been being “watched” for 6 months. Where does that buck stop?


14 posted on 11/05/2009 8:16:18 PM PST by Texas Gal
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To: HiramQuick

If it’s the one I watched when Fox was showing the press conference, he’s white. Does the military have affirmative action programs for white people???


15 posted on 11/05/2009 8:16:41 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: Texas Gal

Political correctness don’t ask don’t tell when your Major is posting Anti-American rants on the net (alledgedly)


16 posted on 11/05/2009 8:18:31 PM PST by ncfool (Obama Bare fisted Politican at home. Pantywaist VS. Real thugs abroad.)
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To: autumnraine

The only people on a U.S. military installation allowed to carry firearms is Military Police. The only times others have weapons is during training, and only in specific locations on the base. Where this incident happened it wouldn’t be much different than on VT’s campus.


17 posted on 11/05/2009 8:19:13 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: SoldierDad

skin color means nothing ... affirmative action has been alive and well for many years ... except when it is a non black situation, it is called the Peter Principle. Both have the same very root.


18 posted on 11/05/2009 8:19:56 PM PST by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: autumnraine
I'm trying to understand this post.....

how in the hell a General could stand before America and deal out so much misinformation – there was only one shooter who had two pistols, he was shot dead and the person who shot the shooter was also shot dead.

19 posted on 11/05/2009 8:20:28 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: autumnraine

He had a sack full of preloaded magazines. Even I can change a magazine in a couple of seconds. I’m not understanding why this is considered impossible.


20 posted on 11/05/2009 8:20:33 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: SwaggerStick
there is no way in hell one man with two pistols could kill 11 and wound 31

Dear dumb a$$ - just down the road at a cafeteria in the early 90's one guy killed 23 and wounded another 20. One shot in a crowd can hit 2 or 3. You don't seem to know a damn thing so why not give them a few hours to sort it out.

21 posted on 11/05/2009 8:20:57 PM PST by TWfromTEXAS (Life is the one choice that pro choicers will not support.)
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To: Born Conservative

Maybe the Muslin had a hugh and series beeber which stuned him.


22 posted on 11/05/2009 8:25:19 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: HiramQuick

Affirmative Action and the Peter Principle are not equivalent. According to the Peter Principle, people reach a promotion level where they are no longer competent to do the job, whereas Affirmative Action is a means of forcing the hiring or promotion of people of color in order to “level the playing field” regardless of the persons qualifications in the first place.


23 posted on 11/05/2009 8:26:14 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: SwaggerStick

What General do you speak of?


24 posted on 11/05/2009 8:27:09 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Kirkwood

I’m not saying he couldn’t kill all those people, he certainly could. With NO ONE SHOOTING BACK. Why and how was he able to shoot that many people before being taken down himself. That is my point. This wasn’t a college campus where no one carried guns, this is a MILITARY BASE!


25 posted on 11/05/2009 8:27:30 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: TWfromTEXAS

I reminded the poster that 32 were killed and 23 wounded at VT by a lone gunman.


26 posted on 11/05/2009 8:27:35 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: autumnraine

Again, a Military installation where no one carries weapons except law enforcement - with the exception of on the weapons ranges, which were no where near the location of the shooting today.


27 posted on 11/05/2009 8:29:10 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: TWfromTEXAS

Dah - Did this shooter also have two pistols?


28 posted on 11/05/2009 8:29:21 PM PST by SwaggerStick
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To: SwaggerStick

i knew this was BS when i heard that the police officer who shot the shooter dead (at the time that was the story) was also shot dead. And that the shooter was the lone shooter. What are the chances of that?

The FBI right coming on the scene right away was suspicious and then the “this was not terrorism” statement so quick was even more suspicious.

I believe the WH has put the Army in the position of having to lie to the American people and cover up a case of terrorism at a US Army post. This is unbelievable. And BO is behind this because the guy is a muslim.


29 posted on 11/05/2009 8:29:39 PM PST by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: SwaggerStick

It would appear that you have never been involved in a tragic loss of life situation involving a number of people. Almost all of the initial information is based on bits and pieces of reports. There is enormous pressure for statements to me made and the understanding of what has happened and why remains in flux for some time. Give those in charge a break. You are using the Leftist measure of perfection against human beings.


30 posted on 11/05/2009 8:30:03 PM PST by Eleven Bravo 6 319thID
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To: autumnraine

Active duty security alert teams on board ship .... ROE .. we were issued weaps and a baggy of rounds to strap at our leg. A magazine never touched the 45. And the security team was only called out for emergency .. they didn’t roam the ship 24 hours.

the only armed man on ship is the POOW on the qtrdeck in port .. again, 45 in holster, empty .. rounds in magazines on the belt in a snap coverd carrying case.

god help you as the OOD, or CDO if your POOW EVER let that magazine touch the firearm.


31 posted on 11/05/2009 8:30:55 PM PST by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: SoldierDad

Virginia Tech had kids hiding under desks (like a duck shoot) These were seasoned combat troops - big difference.


32 posted on 11/05/2009 8:31:46 PM PST by SwaggerStick
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To: autumnraine
Do you really THINK that people walk around armed? If so you are very wrong. My dad spent 3 years in the Army in the early 70’s and when I asked him he said he had a loaded weapon on base perhaps 6 times for an hour at a time.
33 posted on 11/05/2009 8:32:35 PM PST by TWfromTEXAS (Life is the one choice that pro choicers will not support.)
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To: autumnraine

It’s hard to believe, but it’s a fact - military bases lock firearms away. I had a private firearm the whole time I was in and it was locked up in one armory or another the entire time. This guy knew he was walking into a gun-free, target-rich zone and that’s why he chose it. If I posted what I really think about the thing I’d be banned.


34 posted on 11/05/2009 8:32:59 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: SoldierDad

Affirmative action ...Peter Principle .. the NET result is the same.


35 posted on 11/05/2009 8:33:00 PM PST by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: SwaggerStick

What General do you speak of?


36 posted on 11/05/2009 8:33:00 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: SoldierDad
***If it’s the one I watched when Fox was showing the press conference, he’s white. Does the military have affirmative action programs for white people???****

Only if the general is a flaming lib...

37 posted on 11/05/2009 8:35:08 PM PST by goat granny
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To: SwaggerStick

It’s in your title BTW.


38 posted on 11/05/2009 8:35:17 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: SwaggerStick
Duh - yes two pistols is exactly what the guy in Luby’s had. Further he had only 80 targets and hit half of them.
39 posted on 11/05/2009 8:36:25 PM PST by TWfromTEXAS (Life is the one choice that pro choicers will not support.)
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To: SwaggerStick

Did anyone else notice the man standing behind and to the left of the General (looking at the TV) when he was speaking was shaking his head as if to say “not true” or “no”?


40 posted on 11/05/2009 8:37:01 PM PST by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: TWfromTEXAS

One of my son’s was in the Navy...he said the military would never trust a sailor with a gun...thats what Marines are for....:O)


41 posted on 11/05/2009 8:38:09 PM PST by goat granny
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To: SwaggerStick

Seasoned combat troops who are unarmed are just as defenseless against a well armed man as students on a campus.


42 posted on 11/05/2009 8:39:13 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: HiramQuick

They are called Perfumed Princes in the military, great with PowerPoint and kissing up, not much else.


43 posted on 11/05/2009 8:39:45 PM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: uncitizen

Is that the General being discussed here? Hell, I can’t get a damn answer!


44 posted on 11/05/2009 8:39:46 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Eleven Bravo 6 319thID

Good comment.


45 posted on 11/05/2009 8:41:29 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: eyedigress

I don’t know. I’m assuming so.


46 posted on 11/05/2009 8:43:07 PM PST by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: SwaggerStick
In these situations it has become imperative to make a statement, whatever it is, facts and truth not withstanding. The statement is just a draft. The event will be straightened out later.

The CIC sets the example. He states what ever he thinks is applicable for the given situation. The important thing is to keep the media busy. If the media isn't busy it may have time to start an investigation of its own.

47 posted on 11/05/2009 8:43:20 PM PST by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: Eleven Bravo 6 319thID; goseminoles

It’s a troll.


48 posted on 11/05/2009 8:44:11 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: SoldierDad

Dude,
in high school and college shootings, you have scared kids running and hiding, and school/small town/college PD’s have orders to WAIT for SWAT...even thought kids are dying......IN this case, you have dozens of battle hardened GI’s which are used to firefights and can easily tackle one assailant...you are telling me that no one tried to incapacitate the assailant? We are talking a physician (they usually are exempt from PT...the guy looked out of shape anyway, they usually do not spend much time shooting or in the field either...


49 posted on 11/05/2009 8:44:20 PM PST by Patriot2A
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To: TWfromTEXAS

I served on a SAC base in the 70’s - I worked Aircraft Security for the Nuke loaded B52’s. The only time we carried our weapons was while on duty - the only time we had our magazines loaded into the weapons was while in the security areas where the B52’s were parked (or the KC-135’s used for refueling). Other than that, the only people on base who carried weapons were on-duty LE. No one else carried weapons on base. The Army Posts are the same.


50 posted on 11/05/2009 8:45:25 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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