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To: G8 Diplomat; edcoil
In case of interest, regarding the renaming of Persia as Iran: there is that persistent "urban legend" (rather historical misconception) that Reza Shah named Persia "Iran" 1935 in order to impress upon Germany. That's not true at all. "Iran" was for Iranians always (proven since antiquity) the name for their land. "Persia" was the name of only a portion of Southern Iran, but the West (Greek and Romans) used Persia to describe them all.

This pattern continued with imperialist Britain and Russia, while Iran remained continually the internal term.

1935 was a year of great reforms in Iran (the veil was abolished, men were ordered to wear Western dress, the language was cleaned of arabisms, Ferdowsi the author of "Shahname", where BTW Iran was the name used, was celebrated the year before) and the Shah decided that in order to shed of the past of being a semi-colony of Britain and Russia, "Persia" was only to be used to describe the inglorious past of weakness, while the hitherto internal term "Iran" was to be used also by the outside to mark a new beginning.

After studying primary sources, I stumbled upon the memoirs (published in the 1950's) of Wipert von Bluecher, the German ambassador to Persia from 1932-1935. He and Reza Shah hated each other, because the Germans back then were involved in numerous scandals in Iran. Bluecher makes many accusations against Reza Shah in his memoirs. He seems to be the primary source of the rumor that "Iran" was chosen to please the Germans. His "source" reveals the reliability of that claim: Allegedly he heard after the war from an unnamed friend that the suggestion of renaming the country internationally came from the Persian embassy in Berlin.

Given that... I think the official Iranian reason given above is more veritable than von Bluechers rumor.

46 posted on 11/10/2009 12:43:18 AM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: SolidWood

Given the people and religion there live in the 7th century, anything from a short time of the 1900’s would not be recognized.

In my discussions with “iranian’s” here - they call it persia because they are embarrassed by their home country because after 1,000’s of years of history, its only achievement was to create a place they had to flee.


47 posted on 11/10/2009 5:36:25 AM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: SolidWood

Wow...I never knew that. I heard the German story in school & Wikipedia. The need updating...


49 posted on 11/10/2009 7:40:34 AM PST by G8 Diplomat (A penny saved is a penny paid in taxes)
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