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Check This Question Out From My Professor Regarding Communism

Posted on 12/13/2009 9:13:48 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

Some might recall my thread from a few months ago where my head was about to explode because my professor just pushes the concept that America = Bad and Communism = Good. It goes a lot deeper than that. So...this morning he poses this question to us (I feel like I am back in my first year here) but this is what I am dealing with.

QUOTE:

Colonialism and Imperialism

For many countries that experienced the benefits/brutal horrors of European/American colonialism/imperialism, a communist system is an attractive form of government. Many of these colonized people were stripped of their ancestral possessions and reduced to slave labor in some sort of agricultural or industrial 'farm'. To them, having an equal share of the country's resources while having an equal share of a political voice makes practical sense.

Class, can you, as a historian, have empathy for those countries that toiled under colonial oppression? Moreover, can you see why some of the people of these captive countries may have embraced communist ideology?

UN-QUOTE

Every week he asks us to sympathize with some commie ideology. What do you all make of this? Am I taking this the wrong way and he is a defender of the Communist Party through his teaching as I believe he is? Or...he is just honestly trying to get us to see both sides.

I don't want to be jaded here. I have 2 weeks left in the class and I am almost outta there. But sometimes for my own good I need to ask another clear head for their perspective.


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1 posted on 12/13/2009 9:13:48 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache

What’s the course?


2 posted on 12/13/2009 9:15:17 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: My Favorite Headache
He might be pretending to want you to see both sides.

No one argues that once upon a time, Communism may have appeared as an attractive alternative to rampant free markets.

But it was tried in Russia, China, Eastern Europe, Cuba, Africa, Vietnam, etc, etc. And it DOES NOT WORK. The latest unfortunates to learn that are the Venezuelan people.

As Churchill said:

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
3 posted on 12/13/2009 9:21:10 AM PST by atomicweeder
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To: My Favorite Headache
Colonial oppression?

Does white Russia count? When the Russian Communists annexed the north of Poland and locked out Jews from all the trades effectively making them starve to death would that count? Many of my family escaped from a large community there called Lomza. Those that stayed, died.

4 posted on 12/13/2009 9:22:34 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: My Favorite Headache

What’s the school?


5 posted on 12/13/2009 9:22:36 AM PST by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Communism is responsible for the death of more people than any other ideology. For example:

Source: "Little Black Book of Communism"

That said, play his little game for 2 more weeks. You won't achieve anything by doing otherwise, other than to give him a chance to screw over a conservative. Just play the game and consul yourself with the knowledge that you haven't been brainwashed by this idiot.

6 posted on 12/13/2009 9:22:46 AM PST by Scutter
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To: My Favorite Headache
Ask him if he realizes that the America of today was a colony that fought off the chains of oppression with a Revolution. We were a colonized people who fought and did not turn to Communism.
7 posted on 12/13/2009 9:26:57 AM PST by therut
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To: My Favorite Headache

I would say that IN THEORY, Communism would be the pure Utopian government, similar in form to what is described in the Star Trek series and movies. Everybody equal, everybody works for their own and the worlds betterment. No war, strife, no problem. A perfect fantasy. But, in reality, it is and always will be a fantasy. Because of human nature and the inherent emotions that go along with it, such as greed, it never has and will never be achieved. Greed, sometimes a bad stressor, is most often the driving force behind one bettering himself. “I want XXX, therefore, I must work harder to achieve XXX” Make everyone equal, give them egual pay/benifits, then there would be no driving force to better ones self. The grand experiment has been tried many times in the past and failed each time. Just ask your professor this. How many Doctors do you know, who preform their job for humanity, would do so if they were only paid 50K a year (all expenses paid, of course)?


8 posted on 12/13/2009 9:32:32 AM PST by scoobysnak71
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To: My Favorite Headache

“Class, can you, as a historian, have empathy for those countries that toiled under colonial oppression?” Yes, when this was true. I can only think of one country that did this “Japan”.

“Moreover, can you see why some of the people of these captive countries may have embraced communist ideology?” Most of these countries have adopted democracy, and the countries that are communist are quasi Capitalist Communist states.

If he is trying to say the Spanish, well that is a rewrite of history. Most of the people in Spanish were already under a totalitarian government where they were hunted down and sacrificed if they were members of the right tribe. There was a lot of death when the Spanish came, but there was a lot of death before. Most Spanish believe that God Sent the Spanish to bring the good news to their land and save them.

It is only recent left wing presidents that don’t remember the horrors to try to whip up nationalist fevers.

Here, Quote me “Professor, haven’t you heard that Communism has Failed as an Experiment of Society? Human Nature is to become unproductive under these systems till the point of failure.”

Or try this one “Professor, you shouldn’t believe everything “Che” writes.”


9 posted on 12/13/2009 9:32:46 AM PST by dila813
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To: My Favorite Headache
Ask him for specific examples of "American" colonialism and imperialism since the etsablishment of the states of the union across the breadth of this continent.

Let him know that since the establishment of the United States across the width of the continent, for all the wars we have won, against all odds, that we have returned those lands to the former enemy populations and helped them build back and establish freedom in their lands where there was no freedom before.

Can he really call that colonialism or imperialism? As if though helping people find freedom after brutal totalitarianism is somehow establishing a colony? A colony of what? Freedom? Propserity?

Will he argue that the Germans, the Japanese, the South Koreans, the Iraqis, etc. were actually better off under their former regimes? If he does, then you can mark him either as an enemy to freedom, or a hopeless ideologue, ignorant to the benefits of his own freedom.


WHY AMERICA HAS PROPOSERED AND IS FREE

10 posted on 12/13/2009 9:33:32 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: ErnBatavia

American History II - Honors


11 posted on 12/13/2009 9:34:11 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: atomicweeder
No one argues that once upon a time, Communism may have appeared as an attractive alternative to rampant free markets.

The problem is that there weren't "Rampant Free Markets" and that was what was causing the problems.

For example in a "Rampant Free Markets" you could not simply take land that belonged to another. You would not have laws saying who could buy and sell and what they would buy and sell and at what prices.

You would not have company towns with company housing and a company store.

What they had was Feudalism. There are no "Rampant Free Markets" in that kind of society.

12 posted on 12/13/2009 9:34:22 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: My Favorite Headache

It seems the professor mixed our republician form of government into the rest. Remember colonialism is why we rebelled against England and established our Republic. We were the first to ensure the voice of the people is heard. The people controll the house via their representative and the government can not sign on to treaties unless 3/4th of the senate approve.
There is no comparison between our republic and communism simply because we can throw the bastards out every two years.


13 posted on 12/13/2009 9:35:40 AM PST by spookie (SPOOKIE)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Ask him about Communist rule in Ukraine, when Stalin banned the Ukrainian language, literature and culture from being taught or practiced [along with the Ukrainian diet], while exploiting the wheat crop, the Donbass and their other resources for the Soviet Union [which MILITAARILY occupied Ukraine], about Soviet policy in Outer Mongolia, denying the mention of Chinnghis Quan, and any study of Mongol history, and about the attempts to culturally annihilate the Volga Germans, Krim Tartars, Kalmucks, and various other ethnic minorities, while exploiting their slave labor in the Gulag [Soviet Russia was a largely slave driven economy]..

Or you might ask him about Tibet. You know. That place where the Chinese militarily occupied it,colonize it, deny the locals their desired choice as spiritual leader, all based on the premise that Tibet is part of China because it was once part of the Ming Empire.

14 posted on 12/13/2009 9:36:32 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff I swear your post is VERY similar to what I asked for clarity. Excellent stuff as usual.


15 posted on 12/13/2009 9:40:20 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
You mean not like the non-captive, colonialism/imperialism of:
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Transcaucasus
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Georgia
Belarus
Moldova
Ukraine
Poland
Czechoslovakia
East Germany...AD NAUSEUM..

and not like the slave labor and the almost 2 millions deaths of the GULAGs

not like the constant purges and deportations.

not like the estimated 3-10 million murdered under stalin

YEP...COMMUNISM...WAY BETTER !
16 posted on 12/13/2009 9:42:41 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: My Favorite Headache

Chalk him up as a communist. Play along to get a decent grade and then post your opinion on pickaprof.com


17 posted on 12/13/2009 9:44:24 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: PzLdr

Knocked it out of the park.


18 posted on 12/13/2009 9:45:53 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache

One other thing you can bring up to your professor is the fact that communism was actually the principle government of the Americas before settlement by the Europeans. When looked at closely, the Native American had a small efficient form of government when everybody worked for the betterment of the community and in return, everybody enjoyed the same benefits as everyone else.

A fine, and self sustaining way of life except for one minor detail. Their entire civilization had stagnated for AT LEAST 30,000 years. For the most part, none had developed a written language (if anything some were using pictographs). Still living in the stone-age, few had developed agriculture and none had come even close to domesticating animals other than dogs.

This is a perfect example of what happens when you remove the desire to be “better” than your neighbor. Communism kills the will and drive to succeed.


19 posted on 12/13/2009 9:46:48 AM PST by scoobysnak71
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To: My Favorite Headache
Turnabout is fair play.

Ask him to Identify this philosophy and who said it:

"Poverty is not socialism. To be rich is glorious."

Chinese Communism under Deng Xiao Peng

20 posted on 12/13/2009 9:47:08 AM PST by plangent
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Class, can you, as a historian, have empathy for those countries that toiled under colonial oppression? Moreover, can you see why some of the people of these captive countries may have embraced communist ideology?

Dear Professor,

Yes, perhaps I can have "emphathy," in the same way that I can have "empathy" for those Germans who adopted National Socialism after living under the oppressive terms of armistice agreement. I don't excuse their stupidity and horrifically bad judgment, but I can "empathize."

21 posted on 12/13/2009 9:47:18 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: My Favorite Headache

He’s being a good democrap and pushing how great commienism is.

If this is a History class, then what needs to be taught are historical FACTS! Not what anybody presupposes is or was going on.

If this is a sociology class trying to get you to (free think) look at both sides of an issue to study how societies have affected history...it doesn’t hurt to listen, but again, look at the FACTS! Look at what REALLY happened first...then form your own opinion...you don’t have to follow or swallow anybody elses OPINION.

Here’s a ‘for instance...

‘Native American’ (Indians) = good
US Americans = bad

First of all there are no ‘native’ Americans, we are all immigrants from Europe/Eurasia...some got here before, some got here later. There were no homo sapiens on the North American Continent before Eurasians crossed the frozen Bering Strait...they are not ‘native’ to this continent. And they never ‘owned’ it. They just squatted here.

Next, the ‘native’ Americans were the last of the hunter-gatherers, or stone age peoples. Stone age peoples have been conquered for centuries all over the planet since homo sapiens became ‘farmers’ and stopped migrating with the seasons for food. At that time political entities came into being, populations started growing, and expansion became necessary. And the great hunter-gatherers were conquered by the ‘civilized’ from that time forward (the Huns, the Ottomen, the Romans, the Socialists, the Nazis, European colonials, et al.

So according to this ‘theory’ of ‘native’ Americans = good, US Americans = bad, it is total BS! Homo sapiens have therefore been bad, period! It even says so in the ‘Good Book’ that is being banned because some folks don’t like facts!

This is just the opinion of a wise Welshtino sociology teacher from Texas. :)


22 posted on 12/13/2009 9:49:35 AM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: My Favorite Headache
"Class, can you, as a historian, have empathy for those countries that toiled under colonial oppression? Moreover, can you see why some of the people of these captive countries may have embraced communist ideology?"

If I were responding, it would be something like this.

Unfortunately, much of history has been re-written as "faction". The truth of history is still available if sought out and it clearly exposes the brutal starvation and death of a pure communist system. One has to look no further than our own Pilgrims which came to America to spread the Gospel, not flee religious persecution as erroneously reported. (See the opening statement of the Mayflower Compact.) Under the instruction of William Bradford, the Pilgrims set up the purest of communist systems. All food grown was collected in the "Common Store House" and was divided to the Pilgrims according to their need. Half starved to death the first winter as there was no incentive to grow food under this pure communism. However, Bradford saw the folly of this communal food growing and let the Pilgrims keep the food that they themselves grew the next season. The following harvest was bountiful under the individualist system where one could enjoy the fruits of his labor... literally. So, even though the history book authors pushing communism are systematically writing new stories to pass off as truth, this "faction" does not change the facts. The purest example of communism versus individualism is our own Pilgrims.

Colonialism is a different matter and individualism triumphed over the oppression of Britain during our Revolution. So when given the choices of colonialism versus communism, our instructors, teachers and professors should point out the obvious correct choice and form of government... individualism/capitalism which results in a prosperous, free society.

23 posted on 12/13/2009 9:50:45 AM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Your professor is wrong. Colonialism is not limited to on political or economic system vs another. Russian & Chinese “colonialism” has been rampant - 90 years or so for the Soviets, and still continuing under the Putin “non-Soviet” system. Chinese “colonialism” has been rampant for 60 years or so and is not slowing down.

“Communism” is an economic order that might be good or bad on a limited community scale, and has been successful in a few instances. The early New Testiment church operated on a share with one, share with all basis. We could perhaps define this as “pure communism” - something that does not and cannot exist in a free society at the “State” level.

Even as an economic system, the Soviets and the Chinese operate in a non-Communist way. There is huge individual wealth among the “chosen” few in both societies.

Again, your professor is wrong. If he likes it so much he should go live as one of the masses in one of these countries that he finds so appealing.


24 posted on 12/13/2009 9:51:32 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: My Favorite Headache

I am sure that eastern Europeans appreciated the non-colonial nature of the Soviet Union. //sarcasm


25 posted on 12/13/2009 9:53:02 AM PST by GeronL (Join the Palin Beer Summit Putsch!!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

First, colonialism is not necessarily the same thing as imperialism. He only talks about the former. Second, a historian should be objective rather than empathetic. Third, his selective use of emotional words (e.g., brutal, oppression, captive) telegraphs his views. He is looking for ratification, not critical thinking or thought provoking ideas.

That said, while its understandable that people would feel “disenfranchised” under a colonialist system, a “native” system would not necessarily treat people better nor would it ensure an equal share of the country’s resources or guarantee a political voice. Native rule is not always benevolent. In fact, outside rule could actually have been beneficial in some respects by introducing modern technologies, communications, medicine, etc.

Notwithstanding these points, given your current situation you may just want to avoid rocking the boat and simnply feed him some empathetic BS. He’s going to get a jolt when he sees his president’s utopian visions crushed under the weight of reality.


26 posted on 12/13/2009 9:53:45 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Larry Lucido

“For many countries that experienced the benefits/brutal horrors of European/American colonialism/imperialism, a communist system is an attractive form of government.”

Well lets go over that Checklist. Russia was not a ‘colonialised’ people. Neither were the Chinese. These were the two largest communist nations.

How does your prof explain that Marxism essentially says the opposite, that Marxism requires a modern state with industrial production in order to form a class divide between the proletariat and the workers?

This does not fit at all with agrarian peoples without industry of their own.

Lets look at America, and Canada, and India and other colonial nations. What do they all share? Today they are representative democracies. Why should we expect people in foreign countries to abide by different rules than the American people went through?

It’s clear to me that the most successful former colonials all have some form of representative goverment. This includes, Canada, the US, Australia. Even South Africa who was the fourth dominion experienced considerable material wealth all through the first half of the 20th century.

It seems clear to me from these examples, that the best government for former colonials is representative democracy.

Many of these colonized people were stripped of their ancestral possessions and reduced to slave labor in some sort of agricultural or industrial ‘farm’. To them, having an equal share of the country’s resources while having an equal share of a political voice makes practical sense.

Class, can you, as a historian, have empathy for those countries that toiled under colonial oppression? Moreover, can you see why some of the people of these captive countries may have embraced communist ideology?


27 posted on 12/13/2009 9:54:07 AM PST by BenKenobi
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To: My Favorite Headache
For many countries that experienced the benefits/brutal horrors of European/American colonialism/imperialism, a communist system is an attractive form of government. Many of these colonized people were stripped of their ancestral possessions and reduced to slave labor in some sort of agricultural or industrial 'farm'. To them, having an equal share of the country's resources while having an equal share of a political voice makes practical sense.

Class, can you, as a historian, have empathy for those countries that toiled under colonial oppression? Moreover, can you see why some of the people of these captive countries may have embraced communist ideology?

As a historian, it is not your job to have empathy for any side. What you are called to is an objective consideration of the facts. While part of that certainly involves thoroughly understanding all points of view regarding historical issues, including points of view with which you might vehemently disagree, it does NOT mean that you have to commit yourself to viewing all points of view as being equal.

Sure, I can have empathy with those who toiled under what some would consider to be "colonial oppression." Being a conquered people isn't necessarily easy. I also think, however, that any historian worth his or her salt would take issue with the value judgment injected into the question by the term, "colonial oppression", as in using that phrasing your teacher has already committed himself to not being objective.

Can I see why people in these societies have embraced communist ideology? Absolutely. People who are poor and not very well educated have a tendency to embrace fine sounding ideologies in all opposition to the facts. From a theoretical standpoint, Maslow's hierarchy of needs points out that people will always work to serve lower physiological and security needs before they will even think of higher needs. When people are hungry and clad in rags, they will listen to people who offer them food, clothes, and shelter. It doesn't matter that the ideology they offer has a poor track record in providing those things, and it matters even less that societies built upon the ideology in the past have done precious zilch to fulfill the higher needs of the majority of people. So, yes, I can certainly see why native populations would embrace communism despite the fact that they are demonstratively wrongheaded in doing so. Their error is compounded by the fact that, in theory, Communism requires an industrialized society (which they are not) and agricultural-based Communist approaches have proven to be even more destructive than ones that focused on industrialization (think Pol Pot).

It gets tiresome when professors such as yours insist upon empathy and understanding for certain positions to the point where the facts are to be ignored, however. I won't repeat the facts here, as everyone on this thread is well aware of them. History is about being as objective as possible within our cultural framework. The cultural framework part is often overlooked. The problem with liberal scholars is that they try to take their objectivity beyond our cultural framework and look past that; in doing so, instead of transcending "frameworks" they simply create a new one. They then proceed to ignore the fact that all they've done was created a new framework and try to impose that upon all of history. The end result is a historical view based upon flawed assumptions that ignores facts in favor of a system based on fanciful wishes and whimsy.

Good historians realize that they are working within the framework of the current time, place, and culture and realize that they are bound by the limits of those things. In knowing your assumptions and knowing that you are making assumptions, it is easier to look past those assumptions at times while keeping the facts clearly in view. I believe that this is what sets historians like your teacher apart from great modern historians like VDH.

But, I'd also remind you, you're not in school to make stands. You're in that class to get a good grade so that you might get a good degree and move on with your life. Were I in your shoes I'd bite my tongue and roll with the punches.

28 posted on 12/13/2009 9:55:14 AM PST by MWS
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To: My Favorite Headache

North Korea must be the most perfect place in the world... hah


29 posted on 12/13/2009 9:56:06 AM PST by GeronL (Join the Palin Beer Summit Putsch!!)
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To: BenKenobi

“For many countries that experienced the benefits/brutal horrors of European/American colonialism/imperialism, a communist system is an attractive form of government.”

Well lets go over that Checklist. Russia was not a ‘colonialised’ people. Neither were the Chinese. These were the two largest communist nations.

How does your prof explain that Marxism essentially says the opposite, that Marxism requires a modern state with industrial production in order to form a class divide between the proletariat and the workers?

This does not fit at all with agrarian peoples without industry of their own.

Lets look at America, and Canada, and India and other colonial nations. What do they all share? Today they are representative democracies. Why should we expect people in foreign countries to abide by different rules than the American people went through?

It’s clear to me that the most successful former colonials all have some form of representative goverment. This includes, Canada, the US, Australia. Even South Africa who was the fourth dominion experienced considerable material wealth all through the first half of the 20th century.

It seems clear to me from these examples, that the best government for former colonials is representative democracy.


30 posted on 12/13/2009 9:56:15 AM PST by BenKenobi
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To: My Favorite Headache

There is an element of truth in what your Professor says. People who have had their world turned upside down will search for answers. Since their traditions did not prevent the problem they look to outside sources. Communism as a modern religion, albeit a false religion, offers answers to those seeking. Look back throughout history at the times when new religions or cults prospered and you will find a correlation with significant societal changes. Colonialism and imperialism showed the backwardness of many societies and pushed their members to seek new solutions. Communism promised a means of jumpstarting the economy of a backward country and allowing it to quickly catch up with western civilization; unfortunately for those who attempted the communist solution it was a false promise. Step back and treat communism like any other false and ultimately harmful new religion.


31 posted on 12/13/2009 9:56:25 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Seems to me that the US once toiled under colonial oppression.

Communism is just one choice to change the system and end the oppression. The wrong choice.

32 posted on 12/13/2009 9:56:42 AM PST by AFreeBird (Going Rogue in 2012)
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To: scoobysnak71

That will leave a mark :)


34 posted on 12/13/2009 10:00:10 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
You must assert to the good professor the true nature of man. Over the past 50+ years I have found the definition of Jeremiah, the prophet, distill the nature of man down to its essence..."the human heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it?" The delusion which your professor is working under is that the unregenerate man is nice and has the best in mind for his fellowman. He begins his journey in life with a false understanding of human beings. He may be perfectly coordial, but men who obtain power must rule and they rule by their nature, and their nature is to impose their will on all others...Rex-Lex. Without an understanding, as our founders memorialized in our founding documents, that God gives freedom to man, and man then agrees with his neighbors that they enter into a contract to abide by an agreement of behaviors (Contitution), then the communist man (atheist) relies on his own affirmed nature which holds no one in check by chains of virtue. It is truely the law of the jungle with the strong man controlling all.

One needs only to look at the history of mans inhumanity to man to see that his nature, his world-view allow, encourages, and implements savagery against his countryman. Mao, Stalin, Hitler (national socialist, darwinist) all demonstrated the end of your professors tragic view of the world. We are seeing Obama move this country towards adopting a fallacious view of 'right' propelling this country dangerously towards a similar destiny.

Remember, when the communist says peace, he does not mean peace as you know it. He believes peace as acquiescence to his world view....other views are eleminated.....ergo, peace. Truth is a weapon for the communist, and truth is what the leadership of communism says it is. And truth is what advances the cause of the communist doctrine. Dialectic materialism demands that a lie is the truth, if it advances their cause. They say that themselves.

Ask your professor to show to you the mass graves of men, women and children here in the United States. He cannot do it. Then remind him of the thousands of bull dozers needed to dig the mass graves which hold the soviet dissident, the Chinese communist dissident. His convenient lapse in remembering those 'minor' details should be challenged at every opportunity. He is a liar from the beginning.

I could write all afternoon, but will not bore you. I suggest you get a book by Fred Swartz, "You Can Trust the Communist to be Communists."

35 posted on 12/13/2009 10:01:33 AM PST by Texas Songwriter
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To: riri

bookmark for later


36 posted on 12/13/2009 10:02:22 AM PST by riri (Resistance-It's the New Black)
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To: Jeff Head; My Favorite Headache

The best argument I’ve got against communism is that the church in Jerusalem didn’t succeed with communism, even with the Holy Spirit weeding out the liars.


37 posted on 12/13/2009 10:02:35 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: RowdyFFC

American History II..not Sociology. See what I am saying?!? I can understand this convo taking place in a Sociology class more than I can in an American History class. This is just pure indoctrination every single day. Every day I turn around he is asking me another question to try and denounce Communism to which he always finds a route to bashing America in the end.


38 posted on 12/13/2009 10:03:22 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: RowdyFFC

As far as commienism, look at historical facts. Socialism has always failed and is failing all over the planet. You are as we speak witnessing it first hand in your own country (since 1964) and European socialism is cratering on itself. It sucks the life out of its peoples by making demands that cannot be sustained.

Socialism has never had the ability to survive. It IS imperialism, the only survivors of it are those within the regimes!


39 posted on 12/13/2009 10:03:57 AM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: My Favorite Headache
If the Prof wants you to have sympathy and empathy for people that foolishly select Marxism as an equalizing economic system, I suggest you tell him what he wants to hear, and get an A+.

In your written work, regurgitate the standard Marxist goals speaking generally and describe the society and all it's social programs as it goes into Marxism. Don't make final evaluations and close ambiguously.

At this point, turn the work in, and get back to your desk and write the final chapter. Here get specific, select a colonial nation that went communist (I prefer Rhodesia), analyze and report the changes in human rights and standard of living, and be brutal in your descriptions of communism's end game conditions on it's human victims. Add this chapter to your copy of your work.

At end of term, after grades are recorded, submit the final chapter to the Prof, and keep yours for your kids to read. You will be spending a lot of time reading with them, and when they hit the 7th grade give 'em this and read it with 'em. Here the kids' normal sympathy and empathy will drive the decision to Anything But Marxism, you will continue to guide them and prepare them for other political traps, but the Prof's intended use of sympathy will be defeated twice.

That's the way to deal with this type of professor.

40 posted on 12/13/2009 10:05:35 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
He's trying to propagandize you. The favorite tactic of the Left is to focus on some "victim" and induce you to identify with them.(The predictable "perpetrator" then is easier to label as a result.)

It is a deliberate attempt to appeal to emotion and bypass critical judgment.

This is an unethical "professor" you have here, who's intention is to brainwash, not educate. Unfortunately their number is legion, so just sit tight and wait out the term, and use your head to research and form your own opinions.

41 posted on 12/13/2009 10:10:55 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: My Favorite Headache

“This is just pure indoctrination every single day. Every day I turn around he is asking me another question to try and denounce Communism to which he always finds a route to bashing America in the end.”

Yes, it is. And remember the Constitutional Republic in the US is great because of the individual freedom to provide for your own well being. It has promoted entrepreneuralism, free markets and trade, competitiveness and a williness to better ‘self.’ Instead of being forced and stolen from to provide for the lazy.

No other society on the planet has been more generous, and more self-sacrificing trying to lift up humanity and bring the same freedom to others. Without the ideology of this Constitutional Republic there is no free world.


42 posted on 12/13/2009 10:11:59 AM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: My Favorite Headache
...stripped of their ancestral possessions and reduced to slave labor in some sort of agricultural or industrial 'farm'.

Sounds exactly like communism.

43 posted on 12/13/2009 10:12:46 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: My Favorite Headache

This email from Professor Collins seems to cross the line into personal harassment. Your professor is taking your disagreement with him very personally. I would show this email to the dean (if he also is not a leader of the communist cadre at your college).

Good luck to you. Your two choices seem to be for you either to tell him what he wants to hear, or assert your position to the best of your ability. At this point, it seems that he would not believe you if you played his game.

On the other hand, it is easy for those of us who do not have to bear the consequences to give you advice: “let’s you and him fight.”

Good luck to you.


44 posted on 12/13/2009 10:13:46 AM PST by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: Navy Patriot; My Favorite Headache
Absolutely agreed.

While these are pressing matters and important, it is easy to lose track of the fact that your opinion does not matter to your professor. By virtue of the professor's position, having earned a degree on the subject, the professor does not see your views as being of equal merit. It does not matter if you are right - as far as a professor is concerned, these questions are settled in higher academic settings between people who already have their degrees, not students who are questioning their professors' methods. You're not likely to change his mind and you're also not likely to change the opinions of others in the classroom. I've learned this after long efforts of my own at being outspoken when my professors were clearly wrong.

Instead, I think Navy Patriot's approach is the best one to take. You can't change anything by speaking your conscience wen you're not perceived to be an equal authority but you can turn this against the system down the line. I like the idea of saving all your emotions and what you know is right for a parting shot. It makes your point all the more powerful when you do it that way.

45 posted on 12/13/2009 10:15:28 AM PST by MWS
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To: My Favorite Headache
Regarding Ho Chi Minh and whether he was a communist or not, you might remind your professor that Ho was a founding member of the French Communist Party when he was studying in Paris back in 1919 or so. True fact.

Sure, he wanted the Japanese, then the French out of Indochina, and us too; if you want to call that "nationalist" fine, but only so he could achieve a communist VietNam.

46 posted on 12/13/2009 10:16:56 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: My Favorite Headache; LS
So, this guy is also apparently an apologist for brutal communist dictators, wanting his students to believe that communism was simply the outlet for their "nationalistic" tendancies?

What absolute rubbish.

Well, have him try this on for size regarding Ho.

Following the 1954 Geneva accords that split the country, there was something like a 300 day period where people could freely move to either of the two resulting Vietnams. Over a million Vietnamese, mostly Catholic, left the North for South Vietnam during this time. A much smaller number, mostly communists, left the South for the North. Some observers reported that there were even more citizens in the North who wanted to move, but were forced at gunpoint to remain in the north against their will.

Immediately afterwards, Ho Chi Minh, implementing Stalinist and Moist communist doctrine, initiated so-called land reform where hundreds of thousands of people in the North, who were accused of being "landlords", were gathered up and either summarily executed or tortured and starved in North Vietnamese prisons. This caused almost another million North Vietnamese citizens to flee to South Vietnam.

Ask your prof if that gives him any indication whether Ho was simply Nationalistic, or a hard core communist?

...and he appareently thinks he can silence or embarass you by indicating you are a Glenn Beck fan? With no indication one way or another. Sounds like he is already starting the Alinsky treeatment.

I have pinged Larry Scheiwkart, a noted history professor, a best selling author, and a respected Freeper, to the thread. too. Perhpas he has some further insight.

47 posted on 12/13/2009 10:21:04 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Piranha

I have discussed it early on with the Dean. He said everything goes “under review” at the end of each semester with regards to complaints and concerns from an academic stand point. He calls this kind of talk “healthy debate” with his students.


48 posted on 12/13/2009 10:21:15 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: MWS

Great post. And BFL to a thread with a good many other fine posts.


49 posted on 12/13/2009 10:24:19 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Voters who thought their ship came in with 0bama are on their own Titanic.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

First if all, the premise of the question is ridiculous. History is not a sporting event in which onlookers are supposed to serve as cheering sections.

The underlying assumption of the question is the fallacy that indigenous peoples lived in peace and harmony with nature and each other until The Arrival Of The Evil White Man. This is grossly ahistoric, to say the least.


50 posted on 12/13/2009 10:32:31 AM PST by denydenydeny (The Left sees taxpayers the way Dr Frankenstein saw the local cemetery; raw material for experiments)
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