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Circle of friends The importance of other people in our preparedness plans
Backwoods Home Magazine ^ | Dec. 17, 2009 | Claire Wolfe

Posted on 12/17/2009 6:58:05 PM PST by The Comedian

Hardcore survivalists cherish what I call the "George Romero Scenario." It goes like this: The proverbial poop has hit the propeller. Cities collapse into chaos. But we, the prepared, are...well, we're prepared. We hunker in our rural bunkers, clutching our Super Whiz-Whacker 3000 combat arms, eagle-eyed and ready for any eventuality. We boldly fend off wave after ravenous wave of starving city folk who stagger at us like unstoppable zombies in a Romero horror flick. These zombies crave not our living flesh, but our six-gallon, mylar-lined superpails of dried lentils, our root cellars full of last year's carrots, and our genuine, federally issued Meals Ready to Eat.

(Excerpt) Read more at backwoodshome.com ...


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Gotta love Claire. Gotta love the Romero references.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

1 posted on 12/17/2009 6:58:06 PM PST by The Comedian
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To: The Comedian

2 posted on 12/17/2009 7:01:00 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: RandallFlagg; Landru
Ping the zombie list, Randall...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

3 posted on 12/17/2009 7:02:10 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian

Preparedness is such a daunting task it’s hard to figure where to begin.


4 posted on 12/17/2009 7:02:34 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (The dead night tiger made whole by the Master of Sinanju)
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To: The Comedian
Case in point: I have an enviably well-prepared friend. Call him Bob. He has a ne'er-do-well, completely unprepared brother. For years Bob urged lazy bro at least to lay in a few supplies and build a few skills. Bro finally looked around and said, "Hey, don't worry about it. If anything goes wrong, I'll just move in with you."

The liberal mentality in a survival situation...

5 posted on 12/17/2009 7:05:06 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Armedanddangerous

Defense, water, food, heat, first aid, commo...


6 posted on 12/17/2009 7:06:50 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

Ive got enough weapons to fight a small civil war...

Need more 223 and more 38 special ammo..got plenty of 9mm and 7.62x39


7 posted on 12/17/2009 7:09:18 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (The dead night tiger made whole by the Master of Sinanju)
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To: Armedanddangerous
Dig here for a start:

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/modern-survival-philosophy http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/the-modern-survival-philosophy http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/5-rules-for-food-storage http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/you-cant-loose-by-as-a-modern-survivalist http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/foundational-principle-of-modern-survivalism http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/episode-273-the-last-pure-form-of-revolution

8 posted on 12/17/2009 7:11:56 PM PST by upstanding
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To: Armedanddangerous
Ive got enough weapons to fight a small civil war...

You need buddies that can also shoot...

9 posted on 12/17/2009 7:11:56 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: The Comedian

Very informative, and funny.


10 posted on 12/17/2009 7:13:24 PM PST by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: upstanding
Oops... formatting would be nice huh?

Dig here for a start:

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/modern-survival-philosophy

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/the-modern-survival-philosophy

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/5-rules-for-food-storage

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/you-cant-loose-by-as-a-modern-survivalist

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/foundational-principle-of-modern-survivalism

http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/episode-273-the-last-pure-form-of-revolution

Remember: Beans, band-aids, and bullets. In that order.

11 posted on 12/17/2009 7:13:40 PM PST by upstanding
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To: The Comedian

Here in NYC, if TSHTF a lot of people are gonna be screwed and defenseless and hungry and scared. Water will be at an absolute premium. Good luck with waste disposal.


12 posted on 12/17/2009 7:14:07 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: The Comedian

Gotta come to grips with the fact that most of the city dwellers will simply kill each other off, and will not have the wherewithal to seek out the outlying survivalists.

Cities are essentially self-filling mortuaries.


13 posted on 12/17/2009 7:18:10 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: The Comedian

We’ve actually got a few of those six-gallon pails stashed away. And our 72 hour kits are now staged and ready. Even at work, I’m never more than a few minutes from mine.

In our neck of the woods, it’s always been a bad idea for strangers to come up someone’s driveway unannounced. When the SHTF, it’ll be positively suicidal.


14 posted on 12/17/2009 7:24:11 PM PST by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: Armedanddangerous

Preparedness should match where you live.

Where I live, if we have a meltdown, water will be better than gold.

I’m putting in a well and I’ll barter water for whatever I need.

I’m also laying in a supply of whiskey. I don’t drink, but it has a long shelf life and will work well as a trade good.

Think along the lines of what you can put together that will be in demand.


15 posted on 12/17/2009 7:24:28 PM PST by stylin_geek (Greed and envy is used by our political class to exploit the rich and poor.)
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To: editor-surveyor

the reason why i so desparately want to be able to leave...i miss the country terribly


16 posted on 12/17/2009 7:25:26 PM PST by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: 2banana

I do need that. Ive got a dad a cousin and one of our employees who would form the Boone County Irregulars.


17 posted on 12/17/2009 7:25:32 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (The dead night tiger made whole by the Master of Sinanju)
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To: The Comedian
One important fact to remember: you have to sleep sometime. You cannot stay at Condition Red 24/7 for weeks. This means that you need people you can trust to keep watch while you sleep, eat, and try to get stuff done.

People tend to assume scenarios of human wave attacks of zombies. But what if the scenario involves one or a few zombies trying to hit you at random times over a period of months? In other words, not the end of the world, but a period of hard times that results in zombies being generated steadily over a long period?

18 posted on 12/17/2009 7:26:59 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: stylin_geek

we have two deep wells..Id just need a good pump to get it out if the electricity went out.

Wonder what we would need for that?

And I concur about the booze. People will always want hooch.


19 posted on 12/17/2009 7:27:11 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (The dead night tiger made whole by the Master of Sinanju)
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To: Noumenon

I’ll be the guy who pops a flare at the end of your driveway and then stands there with his hands in the air. LOL


20 posted on 12/17/2009 7:28:36 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Armedanddangerous

http://www.survivalunlimited.com/deepwellpump.htm

http://www.bisonpumps.com/

Check out the above.


21 posted on 12/17/2009 7:31:14 PM PST by stylin_geek (Greed and envy is used by our political class to exploit the rich and poor.)
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To: The Comedian

Brilliant Claire, one of your best. And badly needed.

(How did you know what was etched on my muzzle break?)


22 posted on 12/17/2009 7:31:47 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: The Comedian; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; ...
Read this, all my doomer buddies. Use your noggins for more than hanging on the old kevlar. She makes some great points.

CW2 Ping


23 posted on 12/17/2009 7:33:52 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: The Comedian

I have been dabbling with the idea of making my own MREs. There are several instructive links I have found.


24 posted on 12/17/2009 7:35:03 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: The Comedian

bump


25 posted on 12/17/2009 7:35:47 PM PST by dnandell (I don't need no stinkin' tagline)
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To: The Comedian
Nobody says it quite like Claire does.
26 posted on 12/17/2009 7:35:56 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Armedanddangerous
And I concur about the booze.

Nothing beats some old French Cognac in SHTF situations.
27 posted on 12/17/2009 7:36:46 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: FerFAL308

Thoughts?


28 posted on 12/17/2009 7:37:25 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: The Comedian
This is such tripe. If you look at actual government collapses, like the USSR, Argentina, Zimbabwe, etc. etc. you will notice a trend. Nothing really changes, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, the currency gets trashed and replaced and old obligations (pensions, SS) get eliminated.

There is no rioting, no one rebels, hungry beaten down people don't do that kind of stuff. Life goes on, but now it is a reduced life, money for food and clothes takes priority.

The way to prepare is to prepare financially. Wasting money on guns or any of the survival stuff is worse than stupid. Getting a foreign source of income is important.

29 posted on 12/17/2009 7:38:43 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Travis McGee
What do you think our Neighborhood Watch is my friend? That's an OUTSTANDING way to find out who in your parts will put up and who won't.

Then you work on the ones with leadership potential. Next thing you know you've got a cadre. It takes a while, but it's worth it.

30 posted on 12/17/2009 7:40:50 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Noumenon; wardaddy; Squantos; Eaker; hiredhand; Lurker

I’m doing research for my next book, studying Yugoslavia 1990s, and Beirut 1980s.

If you want a vivid picture of what “failure to cooperate” can lead to, go to Youtube, and just use search words “Sarajevo 1992 sniper.”

After a while looking at video clips of that civil war, it makes you REALLY want to think about how to get along.

You really don’t want to live next to a place called, “Sniper Alley.”


31 posted on 12/17/2009 7:41:06 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
Travis McGee++

Excellent point.

32 posted on 12/17/2009 7:45:22 PM PST by upstanding
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To: randomhero97

add a little honey and you have a decent cough syrup for colds..

A little shot of the hair of the dog could help one deal with a minor SHTF situation.

We are looking to next spring to start our wine making expedition from a cabelas kit. If our grapes and blueberries come through next year we’ll have the fruit for the wine too..

For some reason I’ve always wanted to make wine.


33 posted on 12/17/2009 7:46:00 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (The dead night tiger made whole by the Master of Sinanju)
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To: Lurker

You bet. Damn right. I also still jog, and it gets me around the ‘hood, eyeballing my male neighbors of a certain ex-military bearing, waving, giving the old hooyah. We kind of know who’s “reliable.” We can put down a field of fire, maybe. I hope we do as well at getting along.

At least, in your own subdivision. You HAVE to be tight. But the problem comes in (historically) when the local/regional/national militia/army rolls in, with orders or an inclination toward ethnic cleansing. And they don’t know or love your neighbors of the wrong background. Nothing breaks up cozy neighborhood camraderie like being ordered to shoot a neighbor, or else you will be shot as a traitor/coward.

Not to mention what happens to your wives and daughters, if the “other” militia/army rolls in.

Cities get REAL ugly when cooperation breaks down and old hatreds flare. There ain’t enough Black Hills match boattails in the world to see you through a decade living along “sniper alley.”


34 posted on 12/17/2009 7:47:38 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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Ammo and No-Doz.


35 posted on 12/17/2009 7:47:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: LeGrande

Im working on my debt. Ill be free of credit cards by March at the latest..my other debt is zero. My car is long paid off and so it the house.

When the credit cards are paid off Ill feel much freer.


36 posted on 12/17/2009 7:48:31 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (The dead night tiger made whole by the Master of Sinanju)
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To: Travis McGee

the thing is, a dozen country boys with hunting rifles and good boots wouldnt make it easy for a bunch of weekend warriors.

Sooner or later youde see people on street corners in the country wearing Canadian army boots.


37 posted on 12/17/2009 7:51:17 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (The dead night tiger made whole by the Master of Sinanju)
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To: Armedanddangerous
Preparedness is such a daunting task it’s hard to figure where to begin.

That's one way to look at it. Another way is to consciously take notes one of what you use and how much, and just incrementally prepare as you are able.

1. Water

2. Defense

3. Escape plan (if you're in the city)

4. Medicine and hygine items

etc. etc. etc.

You know, that sort of thing.

Prayer, first and foremost, for inspiration as to what you'll need in your particular situation.

And secondly, remind yourself that you'll be fine. This isn't a fear thing. It's a self-empowerment thing.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

38 posted on 12/17/2009 7:52:54 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: LeGrande

OK, I was following you right up until you said we don’t need guns or “survival stuff,” what we really need is A FOREIGN SOURCE OF INCOME?........

I am a cynic, and think that most people will lie down and take whatever misery is forced on them. BUT, I think more people in the United States will be willing to get creative and resist than in countries with cultures of submission. What was that quote about “a rifle behind every blade of grass.” That isn’t so in our cities, but it sure IS so in flyover country.

Secondly, a foreign source of income is likely to be less than useless in a serious meltdown. Doesn’t it make more sense to have a piece of land on which you can find, grow and hunt what you need to eat? They are available all over the country for practically nothing. I have one. Beats the heck out of a foreign source of income! LOL!


39 posted on 12/17/2009 7:53:37 PM PST by PinkChampagneonIce
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To: editor-surveyor
Cities are essentially self-filling mortuaries.

Bumper sticker.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

40 posted on 12/17/2009 7:53:51 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: thefactor
Here in NYC, if TSHTF a lot of people are gonna be screwed and defenseless and hungry and scared.

Can you imagine being trapped on the island with the people who live there - say, four days after TSHTF?
41 posted on 12/17/2009 7:54:38 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Armedanddangerous
I think "country distance" is a BIG plus. It gives you a chance. Living in a built up city becomes hellish. No power, water, stores for weeks. To get anywhere outside, you risk sniper fire. You sleep together in the basement of the big buildings with everybody else, when there is bad combat with artillery, rockets etc. It's just not safe to live exposed to fire in a building, upstairs. A country boy can survive. And fool knows that. I hear ya brother. Where I'm from, "Gang Colors" is Realtree, Advantage, and Mossy Oak. You know what I'm saying hoss. Rule .308.

(+)


42 posted on 12/17/2009 7:55:20 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Armedanddangerous
When the credit cards are paid off Ill feel much freer.

Precisely. When you are in debt you are a slave.

43 posted on 12/17/2009 7:55:49 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: The Comedian; editor-surveyor
Cities are essentially self-filling mortuaries.

Youtube search Beirut and Sarajevo. See it in dying color.

44 posted on 12/17/2009 7:57:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: The Comedian

I live at my bug out site...so Im most of the way there..

And prayer is the only thing keeping me going these days.

I just want to be able to get water and have enough power to run a shower and small fridge if the electric goes out for any period of time.

In the past years, every time a deer broke wind, the power went out for 2-4 days. I discovered that the main comfort factor is being able to have a drink of water, wash your hands and go to the bathroom.

If you have that, the other things arent so daunting..


45 posted on 12/17/2009 7:58:36 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (The dead night tiger made whole by the Master of Sinanju)
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To: PinkChampagneonIce
I am a cynic, and think that most people will lie down and take whatever misery is forced on them. BUT, I think more people in the United States will be willing to get creative and resist than in countries with cultures of submission. What was that quote about “a rifle behind every blade of grass.” That isn’t so in our cities, but it sure IS so in flyover country.

The point that I am trying to make is that there won't be an uprising. Who are we going to 'uprise' against? Are you going to shoot the local Sheriff? He will be in the same boat as us, no paycheck and no savings. The country will simply be bankrupt.

Secondly, a foreign source of income is likely to be less than useless in a serious meltdown. Doesn’t it make more sense to have a piece of land on which you can find, grow and hunt what you need to eat? They are available all over the country for practically nothing. I have one. Beats the heck out of a foreign source of income! LOL!

Are you going to become a farmer? Having access to a real currency could make you comparatively wealthy. I am just trying to apply lessons that people from those other collapsed countries learned the hard way.

46 posted on 12/17/2009 8:02:52 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Armedanddangerous

I discovered my priorities during an ice storm when we were without power for 8 days and couldn’t get out because the road was blocked. In this order (1) hot coffee (2) hot shower (3) everything else.

My new house is equipped to provide both without electricity. Propane tankless water heater with a gravity-fed tank when the electricity goes out to the well pump. Hand pump to replenish tank from rain-fed cistern. Works great.

Am currently all set for the up-coming winter ice-storm with a kerosene space heater, butane stove, and water tank with siphon. This won’t provide a hot shower (I’m not moved into my new house yet), but if you have all the other stuff having dirty hair isn’t that bad.


47 posted on 12/17/2009 8:05:31 PM PST by PinkChampagneonIce
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To: Travis McGee

our family harvested seven deer this past two weeks on this property.

three bucks, four does.

One of the relatives is even working on his skill with a bow and arrow and a muzzleloader. I could never do anything with a bow except lose expensive arrows.

I will conquer my 50 cal hawken this year..


48 posted on 12/17/2009 8:07:21 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (The dead night tiger made whole by the Master of Sinanju)
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To: Travis McGee
I hear what you're saying. But I figure the Sarajevo scenario is pretty unlikely where I am. They're going to have bigger problems in a major metro area to my east to deal with. That WILL be sniper ally.

As far as some out of the area militia rolling in, well we've got some contingency plans for those folks. They'll find easier pickings someplace else.

We also don't have a whole lot of 'ethnic' to 'cleanse' around here. And anybody ordering anyone to shoot a neighbor is going to find themselves on their back with a couple of smoking holes in their chest wondering what the hell just happened.

The Mrs. and I have been working on our little group for almost a decade now. I'm not dumb enough to imagine it's perfect, but it'll hold for a while. Long enough for us to get our own private Plan B into operation.

Plan B is mostly getting the hell out of Dodge. LOL So in the last 10 years or so we've put together a little cadre of 10 families all of whom have put back what we call the "Basic Load". That list is a bit long to go into here. Maybe I'll post it someday.

It seems like a lot but it's really not too difficult to put together over the span of a couple of years.

The result is that we can put 20 people on the street all with a common set of weapons, ammo, aid kits, food, fuel, comm gear, etc to last us a couple of months without too much trouble.

We're also fortunate in that we all live on the high ground overlooking the major four lanes going through the area. When we inspected our roofs we spent a little extra time glassing things out, marking routes and points on maps, that sort of thing.

If we really have to deal with Mutant Zombie Bikers we'll make 'em pay for every yard, believe me.

Like I said, it ain't perfect but it's a damn good start and we work on it.

Claires got some good advice here. Other Freepers of like mind would do well to heed it.

Best to you my friend.

L

49 posted on 12/17/2009 8:09:22 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: LeGrande

I see what you’re saying, but in my opinion, having everything you need for food, clothing and shelter makes you “relatively wealthy” no matter what. You don’t have to become a farmer to raise enough to eat — it doesn’t take that much time. I guess I’m just not that into being plugged into a system — I would rather just fend for myself. But I realize not everyone thinks that way.

Oh, and since you mention it, there are plenty of good ol’ boys in this area who would just LOVE an excuse to shoot the law, but I live in a fairly lawless part of the country. Again, LOL!


50 posted on 12/17/2009 8:09:37 PM PST by PinkChampagneonIce
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