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VANITY: When Obamacare is signed into law, what will happen?
12/19/09 | rintense

Posted on 12/19/2009 8:26:37 AM PST by rintense

With the likelihood of Obamacare passing (thank you, traitor Ben Nelson), it sets the stage for a number of scenarios to occur. Since the majority of Obama's ill-informed minions know they won't be eligible for universal health care until 2013, the flood of folks running to ERs will create a huge problem. Now, perhaps it won't happen. But, the memories of Katrina are permanently etched into my mind. And the 'take what is mine now' mentality is a possible ramification of the bill's passage.

So let me ask you, freepers, what do you see happening to this country as a whole once the bill is signed? As a normally optimistic person, it pains me to say I can't find any good to come of this. In fact, I've put on some tin foil at where this could go (worst case scenario).

Here is the worst case scenario I see:

1. The minute the bill is signed into law, ERs around the country are flooded. Private practices will also have to physically remove those who insist on being treated. Fights and small riots will break out.

2. Obama will have 'no choice' but to force hospitals, etc. to treat those seeking help, and allegedly offer to compensate them immediately.

3. Doctors, nurses, etc. will say screw that and walk away.

4. Within six months, a third of US doctors and nurses will be 'on strike', leading to long lines for treatment, especially in ERs.

5. Because of this 'national emergency', Obama will suspend the Posse Comitatus Act, and have national guard troops in large cities making sure 'peace' prevails.

6.Meanwhile, the states who have passed sovereignty bills will revolt not only against the HC bill, but the unconstitutional seizure of the HC industry, long before the targeted year of 2013.

7.Obama will not have this, and will use the troops already in these states to muscle his intentions. As a result, all elections are put on indefinite hold, and all civil liberties are suspended. FEMA camps are converted into rebel detention facilities.

8.US troops, conflicted by duty, honor and country, and the orders issued by their superiors, will simply walk away. US soldiers are not prepared to fire on American citizens- and will not do so.

9.Choas ensues, with rebellion in the military and at the state level, with armed citizens now forcefully attempting a government overthrow. Masses will flee big cities and head for the heartland.

10.With the US military no longer existing in its historic form, Obama creates a civilian police force of loyalist, who are armed and will confront rebels with force. These loyalist have no problem killing their American brethren.

11.With civil war now engulfing the United States, the world economy has collapsed, and countries like China, Iran and Russia use the crisis to do their own military conquering. China forcefully retakes Taiwan, Russia goes after anyone they can, and Iran starts the bombing of Israel. Without the US, Israel is on its own. Countries like GB, France, etc. won't move a muscle and will stay neutral.

12. With no success as quelling the rebellion at home, Obama will request foreign troops on American soil to 'keep the peace'.

13. I don't even want to think about 13.


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To: RnMomof7

That’s the crux of my post: its naive to think the ramifications of this passing won’t be immediate.


51 posted on 12/19/2009 9:02:24 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: jessduntno
There hasn’t been anything but in the ER of any big American City Hospital for ten-fifteen years...

True. Not only big cities, either. East Liverpool, Ohio, (pop. 7000) for example. You need a Hindi, Punjabi or Urdu phrase book to hear the diagnosis in their ER.

52 posted on 12/19/2009 9:02:50 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: rintense

A mini-American constitutional republic. I’ll have to learn how to shoot a musket when the bad guys come. I’m willing to go down fighting for liberty than acquiesce to Marxism. Better Dead than Red. Hope I can finish law school in time.


53 posted on 12/19/2009 9:02:54 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: rintense

If everyone isn’t deathly afraid, they are living in denial.


54 posted on 12/19/2009 9:02:58 AM PST by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Twotone

Not only seeking to find parties with ‘standing’ but finding a way to ‘stay’ the execution of the bill until the USSC makes a decision.


55 posted on 12/19/2009 9:04:18 AM PST by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: rintense

an army of “paramedics” has been the frontline of revolutionary medicine in China and Cuba

May epidurals during childbirth for obama supporters be the first “unnecessary” govt health benefit to be cut..amen


56 posted on 12/19/2009 9:05:05 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: Freddd

“Taxes will start being taken this January......”

As they start to work on AMNESTY for Illegals!


57 posted on 12/19/2009 9:05:10 AM PST by acoulterfan
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To: acoulterfan
“Taxes will start being taken this January......” As they start to work on AMNESTY for Illegals!

Wanna bet they go for Cap=N=Trade first?

sw

58 posted on 12/19/2009 9:07:10 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: rintense

Productivity will drop. Small businesses that are hanging on by a thread hoping to wait out the recession will go into bancruptcy or simply shutter their doors. 10% Unemployment will seem like the good old days. Then add cap and trade and we’re the USSR. JMHO but you asked for it.

*<[;o)~~ Merry Christmas and burn Congress to the ground.


59 posted on 12/19/2009 9:07:26 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: rintense

i think this will overturned at the least. how are they going to deal with the increase in taxes and lack of services to seniors?? hasn’t the left’s stance always been that Repubs were going to cut services for seniors?? how are they going to explain this??


60 posted on 12/19/2009 9:08:32 AM PST by lonster
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To: Jim 0216
law school? LOL. What is the American legal system founded on? Contract law? A Constitution?

Even in the federal civil service, the hiring system is being changed to discover your political philosophy and private activities, and your job opportunities will suffer accordingly. I've a brilliant cousin (perfect LSAT score, top law school) who is a small town attorney and has been denied promotions and honors by the local bar because he is a Boy Scout leader. He refuses to give up Boy Scouts and is resigned to living life with his own values, in a struggling one man practice.

I suggest you take some courses in agriculture and home health care/nursing while you are still young. and learn a trade you can do with your hands.

62 posted on 12/19/2009 9:12:09 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: John W

Does this bill require small businesses to give their employees insurance? If so, we’re in a world of hurt.


63 posted on 12/19/2009 9:13:43 AM PST by Hildy
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To: rintense

re: what will happen

After the Senate bill happens, the House and Senate versions will have to be reconciled. At that point the “what happens if this becomes law” discussions will take center stage and I think citizens will not like what they hear.

If the newly announced Nebraska provision, which provides that only Nebraska will get Federal funding for Medicaid patients, stays in the final bill, certainly that will cause an uproar.

There will be uproars galore.

The worst fear of those that vote for the bill should be that it becomes law.


64 posted on 12/19/2009 9:14:12 AM PST by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: rintense

A LOT of people won’t pay the mandatory fees. This requires either mass imprisonment, or a breakdown of order.


65 posted on 12/19/2009 9:14:36 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: All; rintense; Clinton Is Scum

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...about 13:

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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And it’s all happening again right HERE.

With nowhere else for the FREE to run to this time around..!!!

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66 posted on 12/19/2009 9:14:40 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: spectre

Yeah, I think Barry will dictate that the US be unilaterally (”voluntarily”) entered into a vast carbon control “Cap’n Tax” scheme that had been planned as part of a global system.

The EPA will run the show. Perhaps with a new Czar.

Too much big money is ready to jump in and enrich itself in carbon trading, to be denied just because Barry wasn’t able to deliver a binding global treaty.


67 posted on 12/19/2009 9:17:14 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: rintense

Most of the supporters of ‘universal’ health care don’t yet realize that that is NOT what is being passed. (Heck, most of those opposed don’t know that either.)

When they find that out, and when they find out how much it will cost THEM, and when they find out that no more people will be ‘covered’ than before (assuming you count what is being proposed as ‘coverage’, which it is not) ... you’re going to have a lot of very angry people.

What is uncertain is whether they’ll continue on apologizing for this seriously deranged Congress ... or if they will actually do something about it.

They whine and complain about Tea Partiers, but really they are jealous because they are too lazy to create a popular movement to demand what they want (universal ‘free’ health care).

Like everthing else, they expect this legislation to be just given to them, without having to actually work for it. Either that or they realize what a farce it is but are willing to settle for for saving face by “writing and emailing” in support ... just to say they did something.


68 posted on 12/19/2009 9:18:50 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I think you’re right about that.
People should seriously be laying in stores and learning to garden.


69 posted on 12/19/2009 9:20:31 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: silverleaf

A one-man practice is exactly what I’m looking for. There’s also demand for advocacy on behalf of Christian and Constitutional values - right down my alley. BTW, this is a second field in my career so making money is not a priority - doing something meaningful is.


70 posted on 12/19/2009 9:21:32 AM PST by Jim 0216
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To: rintense
I wish I could say I have faith in SCOTUS to overturn this, but I don’t.

Ditto

71 posted on 12/19/2009 9:21:34 AM PST by penowa
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To: ProudFossil

New Zealand is vigorously recruiting immigrants right now ... as long as they have skills. Doctors would be the first let in the gate.


72 posted on 12/19/2009 9:23:43 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Hildy
Fox Business discussions have indicated that $250,000 GROSS payroll (Mom and Pop businesses) is the threshold at which employees MUST be covered at a benefit level dictated by the govt

of course, buying private insurance will be almost impossible because premiums will rise

a lot of the new federal mandates on insurers are NOT insurance against future events, but wealth transfer and welfare to cover what has already occurred- ie, that preexisting conditions MUST be covered.

ie, I the ininsured or under insured get breast cancer,
THEN go to an insurer and demand that insurer pay for my treatments, as the gubmint requires.

Or Mom gets alzheimers, THEN we buy “insurance” that MUST pay for her care.

Those with insurance- Imagine what our premiums are going to do. We really need to rename the “insurance” industry, because wordspeak is in play here.

Small businesses that cannot afford the private premiums - those employees MUST be signed up for the Govt plan
This is the takeover of middle class America

73 posted on 12/19/2009 9:27:59 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: Jim 0216

LOL! As long as making money is not your goal, you’ll do fine

I think my cousin worries more about making enough to pay his secretary’s salary, than his own


74 posted on 12/19/2009 9:30:36 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: rintense

One thing that will make a difference is that the taxation will start immediately, but none of the benefits(sic) will start for four years. People will see less money in their paychecks then wonder why they aren’t getting their Obama Medicine.


75 posted on 12/19/2009 9:37:59 AM PST by mnehring
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To: lonster
i think this will overturned at the least

By whom? How? When? The truth is that, no. It will not be overturned. That's the first straw we need to stop grasping -- no Republicans, no Supreme Court, no anybody is going to rescue us from this travesty. That's why it was so damn critical that this NOT get to where it's gotten, because once it's done, it's DONE for good. This will NOT be reversed. And I mean that even if Republicans (pttewh) regain control. They will not turn this back.

76 posted on 12/19/2009 9:41:00 AM PST by workerbee (If you vote for Democrats, you are engaging in UnAmerican Activity.)
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To: rintense

What will happen? Our goose will be cooked by the turkey in the White House and those sh-t eating cockroaches in Congress.


77 posted on 12/19/2009 9:47:29 AM PST by IbJensen (A Prayer for Obama (Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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To: mnehring

That’s what I’m saying. The ill-informed moronic Obama worshipers will be the first in line at ERs the day after the bill is signed, not knowing they can’t ‘cash in’ for years.


78 posted on 12/19/2009 9:52:17 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: rintense

THE DOCTOR IS IN

79 posted on 12/19/2009 9:56:20 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Screaming in Agony they ran to the Government But then Realized from whence the Agony came !)
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To: Mike Darancette
Governments and charity hospitals will be paying the insurance premiums for their sick kids.

And healthy kids can be taken off health care insurance.

80 posted on 12/19/2009 9:57:31 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Copenhagen Climate Summit; Shovel Ready)
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To: rintense

I see what you are saying, backfire time. Heck, we could encourage it, get all of them to go to the ER for their free Obama Treatment, Obama Drugs, and Obama Money. The faster the zero fan club burns out, the faster we can move on to fix this damn thing.


81 posted on 12/19/2009 10:02:08 AM PST by mnehring
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To: rintense

USA 1776-2010 - It was nice while it lasted.


82 posted on 12/19/2009 10:04:13 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: rintense

They will start collecting taxes immediately to pay for this monster, although it won’t be put into practice until 2013 or 2014.


83 posted on 12/19/2009 10:05:29 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Yes, I know that. Read what I wrote, not just the title.


84 posted on 12/19/2009 10:09:09 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: rintense

We’ll do what every country that thinks they can control the population does. Black Market.

Freed from the pretense of government compliance, you’ll be able to get anything you want on the black market, provided you have the money.

Medical tourism will flourish.

Black market pharmaceuticals will be easily available, allowing folks to avoid the lines at remaining available medical care.

Enterprising doctors will return to work making housecalls, outside of government supervision.

I’m optimistic.


85 posted on 12/19/2009 10:16:27 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: dfwgator

Yep, welcome to hussein’s new amerika. Brought to us by deliberate subversion, carried out by propaganda of the controlled media and the government.


86 posted on 12/19/2009 10:18:23 AM PST by Pipe Dog
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To: workerbee

i simply believe in the will of the american people. when the taxes start flying and the services pile up people are going to raise hell. they are going to vote for someone to change this. you and others may chose to look at this in a final light, i see it as grease build up on a cast iron skillet, eventually one has to clean and reseason it.


87 posted on 12/19/2009 10:25:39 AM PST by lonster
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To: RFEngineer

hear hear!!!


88 posted on 12/19/2009 10:26:44 AM PST by lonster
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To: lonster

Entitlements are forever.


89 posted on 12/19/2009 10:27:26 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: rintense

First thing to happen ... more taxes will be taken out of your paycheck and or you will pay fines.

In 2013 ... you will see a bankrupt Nationalized Heathcare System asking the citizens for more money to fund it.

Then medical will be rationed.


90 posted on 12/19/2009 10:31:25 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: lonster

Everyone should encourage their doctor to “go rogue” like this.

100 patients @ $100/month could yield a fairly decent tax-free income for a GP.

If you need surgery, go to India at a fraction of the cost.

Everyone is happy. patients have more money, doctors have more money......win-win. It’s the American way!


91 posted on 12/19/2009 10:34:55 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Carley

If everyone isn’t deathly afraid,,,, Oh what a minute Tiger Woods is........ Oh what a minute Octomom is.....Ballon boy!!!!!!!! Be Afraid very afraid..


92 posted on 12/19/2009 10:34:55 AM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne (Vote them out!))
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To: rintense

Sorry I don’t have anytime to answer that question as I am too busy loading my guns.


93 posted on 12/19/2009 10:36:59 AM PST by Chief901 (The Democrats are now the "Soylent Green Party")
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To: dfwgator

nope, just until they can’t be paid for anymore. entitlements are services or goods. if there’s no way to pay for them then there’s rationing. that is going to be the sticking point for this balderdash. it will end, probably even before it’s enacted.


94 posted on 12/19/2009 10:37:09 AM PST by lonster
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To: dfwgator

“Entitlements are forever.”

Sure they are, but they have to collect the taxes first.

It’s not pretty to watch, but when you stop oiling the steam-powered calliope of government, all you have to do is sit back as it falls to pieces all on its own.

It is clear our government will not reduce itself deliberately, so it will have to fall apart on its own. Once the bureaucratic budget infighting starts, it won’t be long at all.

In the meantime, encourage and participate in the black market. It is your patriotic duty.


95 posted on 12/19/2009 10:40:52 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: lonster
i simply believe in the will of the american people. when the taxes start flying and the services pile up people are going to raise hell. they are going to vote for someone to change this. you and others may chose to look at this in a final light, i see it as grease build up on a cast iron skillet, eventually one has to clean and reseason it.

You and I will certainly vote to change it; however, the "American people" have been frogs in the pot for several decades now. Do you think we'd be in this mess to begin with, with a foreign faux president, otherwise? Besides which, amnesty is coming fast, ensuring another 12-15 million (at least) who will gleefully pull the lever to ensure our slavery. You can bet the Dems know 2010 is in the bag, that is the only rational explanation for their utterly willful, in-your-face ignoring of public opinion on HC. Fraud, thuggery, media aiding & abetting, and of course all those new "citizens" will take care of 2012. I do believe at some point there will be violence between government officials and their minions, and those of us still producing and being mugged. But I do not believe, in my lifetime, there will be an end or even a slowing of this socialist march. The seeds for this were sown in the 1930s and the harvest is coming in; it will take more than a "Republican sweep" of the next election (should it occur) to even make a dent. You may see all this as pessimism and throwing in the towel, but it is reality as I see it. I truly believe it will be up to a future generation to reclaim liberty.

96 posted on 12/19/2009 10:54:05 AM PST by workerbee (If you vote for Democrats, you are engaging in UnAmerican Activity.)
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To: workerbee

i don’t see us as frogs in a pot as much as a cat in the corner. a cat will sit there contently until you start poking it with a stick. at first it believes you are playing with it, but as the poking gets harder and more often it starts to hiss and scratch. in the end, it attacks.

there is much to what you believe however, i simply don’t believe it will happen in future generations. i believe it will happen this decade hopefully peacefully.


97 posted on 12/19/2009 11:11:41 AM PST by lonster
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To: boycott
These folks are going to be like a lot of tenured teachers what cannot write a complete sentence.

There's a certain irony in your sentence.......

98 posted on 12/19/2009 11:18:23 AM PST by Osage Orange (Obama's a self-made man who worships his own creator...............)
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To: rintense

ERs and clinics will be overwhelmed with increased traffic.
People who previously ignored small aches and pains, cuts and bruises will now feel they need to get their money’s worth from the forced purchase of their insurance.

Biggest immediate effect will be increased demand for service vs. reduced services available.

Doctors and providers will become more militant, demanding fair compensation for their efforts as government gets more and more difficult to work with.

Just a few


99 posted on 12/19/2009 3:15:41 PM PST by Joan Kerrey (The bigger the government = The smaller the people)
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To: rintense

I thought nothing will happen till 2013 except the taxes will begin now.


100 posted on 12/19/2009 3:24:40 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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