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With a Baltimore Raven win (coming in about 2 minutes), the Steelers will be toast

Posted on 01/03/2010 4:11:45 PM PST by Drea

I'm glad because I think big Ben has gotten to big for his britches.


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To: Nonstatist
RE: Your just too smart and too good for your home town? I bet you are.

My home town, thank God, is not in Maryland. I simply settled here to continue to support the U.S. Army after my retirement from 20+ years of military service. On the other hand, yes, I am much smarter than you average, liberal dumbed-down Murlander.

51 posted on 01/03/2010 5:59:33 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Nonstatist
The Steelers lost to the pathetic Browns and Raiders and split with the Ravens. They are mediocrities and now you have 9 months to think about how far they have fallen. Poor you.

Yeah, us poor Steeler fans will have to go down to the stadium and look at those six Lombardi trophies.

Fear not, the Steelers will be back to haunt whichever loser that you follow.

52 posted on 01/03/2010 6:02:32 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: big'ol_freeper
They act like a bunch of inner city thugs.

If you actually followed your home team you'd see that there are a lot of classy guys on the team with a lot of heart; Mason, Flacco, Rice, Heap, so on. Oh, and football isn't ballet, in case you didn't notice.

53 posted on 01/03/2010 6:04:10 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Petronski

Well you know the Ravens did win one Super Bowl...but imagine having the distinction as being the worst and most boring team to ever win a Super Bowl?


54 posted on 01/03/2010 6:04:48 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Well you know the Ravens did win one Super Bowl...

And they had to flee Cleveland in the dead of night to do it.

55 posted on 01/03/2010 6:07:10 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Nonstatist

The Ravens are not my home team. My home team is the New England Patriots...though I am much more of a Packers fan.

Football isn’t ballet? Huh, coming from a Ravens fan that is quite humorous considering that the Ravens don’t score that many more touchdowns than a ballet company.


56 posted on 01/03/2010 6:07:41 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Drea

Gee, lots of anger on this thread!

I like the Colts. And I hate their GM and coach. So I am mad too!


57 posted on 01/03/2010 6:08:44 PM PST by JRochelle
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To: big'ol_freeper
I root for the Green Bay Packers

The Packers are one of the few teams with more penalties per game than the Ravens. One could say they have quite the reputation around the league for their "thuggish" behavior on the field.

My sense is that your antipathy with the Ravens has another component altogether .

58 posted on 01/03/2010 6:11:22 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Petronski

I have to honestly...and I do mean this...have to say that I have never seen more lame, shallow, uniformed, front-running sports fans than those I have come across in Maryland.

Don’t ever try to have a good discussion about a game or sport with them...they have no clue.

They’ll stick around if a local team is winning...and totally abandon it when they lose.

Frankly, they don’t deserve to have any professional franchises.


59 posted on 01/03/2010 6:14:24 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Nonstatist
RE: One could say they have quite the reputation around the league for their "thuggish" behavior on the field.

Once again you show your complete lack of knowledge. Yes, indeed the Packers are among the most penalized teams in the NFL, but I hardly think that false starts, holding and motion penalties are thuggish behavior.

Perhaps you should check your facts before you knock all your teeth out slamming your foot into your mouth.

60 posted on 01/03/2010 6:17:30 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Nonstatist
RE: My sense is that your antipathy with the Ravens has another component

Indeed you are correct. I could never root for a franchise that was stolen from fans in another city unless the fans in that other city did not support their team. I have higher personal standards than that.

61 posted on 01/03/2010 6:25:11 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Drea
Off the top of my head— Obama, Reid, Pelosi.

Cool. Yet Roethlisberger can't steal your freedom or your money or have any impact on you personally whatsoever. How do Obama, Reid & Pelosi equate to Roethlisberger? What is it about seeing Roethlisberger brought down a peg or 2 makes you feel better about yourself?

62 posted on 01/03/2010 6:25:54 PM PST by Beowulf
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To: jennyjenny
There are a whole lot, a whole lot, of NFL players I'd put ahead of Ben as far as needing to be brought down a peg or two

JAY CUTLER comes to mind. Gawd I hate the Chicago Bears for trading Kyle Orton for the whining cry-baby Jay Cutler.

63 posted on 01/03/2010 6:26:17 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: big'ol_freeper
Ravens don’t score that many more touchdowns than a ballet company

Heh? They were 9th in points scored in the NFL this year and 3rd in fewest points allowed. Pay attention.

64 posted on 01/03/2010 6:29:23 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: big'ol_freeper

Indianapolis stole the Colts from Baltimore in 1984, if you remember. No honor among oligarchs.


65 posted on 01/03/2010 6:30:45 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist

I don’t pay much attention to nitwits.


66 posted on 01/03/2010 6:31:40 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Nonstatist

Let’s go! Festivus Maximus again!


67 posted on 01/03/2010 6:35:59 PM PST by RedMDer (Recycle Congress in 2010, 2012...)
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To: big'ol_freeper
I have to honestly...and I do mean this...have to say that I have never seen more lame, shallow, uniformed, front-running sports fans than those I have come across in Maryland. Don’t ever try to have a good discussion about a game or sport with them...they have no cluedown the street.

Man , you must have 7 or 8 chips on your shoulder at one time. It's a wonder you can walk the streets without falling down.

68 posted on 01/03/2010 6:36:20 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist
RE: Indianapolis stole the Colts from Baltimore in 1984, if you remember.

Yeah, and for twenty odd years you sad sacks thumped your chests, gnashed your your teeth, whined and cried about how devastated, mistreated, ripped off, and wronged you were, but willingly turned around and gleefully did that same thing to Cleveland without even a blink of the eye...you SOBing, disingenuous, phony, liberal jackasses.

69 posted on 01/03/2010 6:36:42 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Wow. It is JUST football.


70 posted on 01/03/2010 6:41:31 PM PST by TankerKC (If gravity is a law, why won't my corn nuts ever fall out of the vending machine?)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Big ol idiot


71 posted on 01/03/2010 6:47:32 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: JRochelle

Which reminds me, I’m pissed at the Colts for not going for the perfect record.

They should have went for it.


72 posted on 01/03/2010 6:50:32 PM PST by Drea
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To: Nonstatist; Petronski
RE: Big ol idiot

Awe, idn't that cute. Just like a third grader with your little ol' insult. Bet next you are gonna rub snots on my face.

73 posted on 01/03/2010 6:50:32 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Drea

“Obama, Reid, Pelosi.”

All supported, incidentally, and BLATANTLY, by DAN ROONEY.


74 posted on 01/03/2010 6:51:11 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Drea

Meh. The Steelers did themselves in weeks ago with blowing 4th quarter leads to bad teams (and good teams, for that matter).

They had an outside chance at the playoffs, but really needed Houston to lose. They got the Denver loss they needed.


75 posted on 01/03/2010 6:53:42 PM PST by kevkrom (Obama's Waterloo: a "hockey mom" with a laptop and a Facebook account)
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To: Beowulf

I do like Roethlisberger... I think he plays with a lot of heart, but I want him to change his off field behavior.


76 posted on 01/03/2010 7:04:07 PM PST by Drea
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To: the OlLine Rebel

YAY! The Steelers won their last game. We’re happy in this house :) Rooney sucks but the Steelers rock.


77 posted on 01/03/2010 7:11:47 PM PST by Twink
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To: big'ol_freeper

Get this straight.

The Colts LITERALLY left in the middle of the night without warning.

The Browns ANNOUNCED in public that they would be leaving, and they did - after the season ended.

It is TOTALLY different. The former has NEVER happened in any US sports team transfer, ever. The latter was pretty typical MO.

Never mind after the fact that Cleveland
a) got a team in 3 years (it was guaranteed immediately)
b) got to keep their name
c) got their RECORDS back
d) don’t have to see the name “Modell” on the Ravens’ info.

Meanwhile Baltimore
a) had no guarantee and waited 11 years
b) could not have the team name back (COLTS has to do with our racing heritage; Indiana is not at all famous for horses)
c) could not have their records back
d) still have to see “IRSAY” on the “Colts’” info

Totally different.


78 posted on 01/03/2010 7:13:41 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Twink

My husband is not happy. More typical Steeler fan - way too serious about this game.

Unfortunately, every Steeler item supports Obama.


79 posted on 01/03/2010 7:15:43 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Oh yeah. My husband was freaking out during the 2nd half, especially about the defense (or lack thereof). I’m just happy they won.


80 posted on 01/03/2010 7:22:01 PM PST by Twink
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To: the OlLine Rebel

81 posted on 01/03/2010 9:32:00 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball

I think James Harrison refused to meet with Obama when the team went to the white house.


82 posted on 01/03/2010 10:37:56 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: the OlLine Rebel

That is complete and utter BS.


83 posted on 01/04/2010 2:48:11 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Nice job.


84 posted on 01/04/2010 5:21:44 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Tell me how I’m wrong.


85 posted on 01/04/2010 12:09:35 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Ok...here is how you are wrong.

Son did you steel those cookies from the cookie jar? Yes mom, but I didn’t take as many as Johnny did so its ok.

Your justification is just plain childlike and asinine.

You can try to justify it in your mind, but that is the exact same line of bull crap the liberals give us as they are taking money out of our pockets to give to someone else. Well we didn’t take as much this time. LOL..unbelievable.


86 posted on 01/04/2010 1:36:32 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Can’t answer with facts? The way you behave, apparently “son” is in fact worse than “Johnny”, not equal.

Anyway, I guess all the cities that ever “took” a team are all evil and bad?

Indiana didn’t “steal” the Colts; Irsay did (per se - yes, it was his team). I don’t blame a city/locale for embracing whatever they get. Do you honestly expect millions of people to turn up their noses at whatever team shows up on their steps, regardless of the past? Lots of luck.

Truth is you made it out as if they were exactly the same situations (and how dare Baltimore whine). They are not. Baltimore’s experience with Irsay and the Colts is unique, in fact. No other team has left like that, much less retained all that they made in the originating city.


87 posted on 01/04/2010 8:18:15 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
The guy is a retard. Dont waste your time arguing with him. My guess is the real reason he doesent like Baltimore is because theres too many of "those" type of people down here, if you get my drift.

BTW, the Ravens have their weaknesses, but if Flacco's on his game they may have a chance against the Pats. Here's hoping.

88 posted on 01/04/2010 8:59:19 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: the OlLine Rebel

modell (only proper names should be capitalized) was forced to give up the name and records because he basically put the league in a bind. He signed an agreement to move to Baltimore (breaking his Cleveland lease BTW) before he had gotten league approval for the move. Since the league had eight criteria for approving a move and the Browns only met one of them (that one even arguably), he was very unlikely to get that approval.

Since he had signed the agreement, the league was going to get sued either way, unless they could broker a deal. The deal was Cleveland retained the team identity and was promised a new team within three years. I believe they also kicked in some money for the new stadium.

Why did he do this? It wasn’t because he wasn’t getting a new stadium. The bond issue to renovate or replace the old one (which he had run down) passed the day after he made his announcement in Baltimore. It was because his stepson david had burned just about every bridge in Cleveland and there was no way he could ever effectively run the team. However, art doted on his wife who doted on her son (one of history’s all time horrendous spoiled brats).

He also had to buy out a guy named Robert Gries who owned 41% of the team and was vehemently opposed to the move. Gries would have joined a suit attempting to block the move.

Here’s the funny part. The teams in Baltimore continued to suck and despite the money he got to move he kept violating the NFL’s rules on debt. Finally, the NFL forced him to find someone who would buy at least a minority share in the team, or they would pull the franchise and resell it. The only way he could do this was by giving the buyer the option to buy the whole franchise after three years. Enter Steve Bisciotti. The team wasn’t successful until Bisciotti’s money was infused, and there was no way he would invest in something which would be run long term by the modell family.

In effect, the modells were kicked out of the NFL.

As for the Stoolers, it’s a fact that they aren’t in the playoffs primarily because they were spanked like small children by a 1-11 team on national TV. >:)

-Eric


89 posted on 01/05/2010 1:05:13 AM PST by E Rocc (: Giving economic power to BHO is like giving condoms to Tiger Woods.)
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To: E Rocc
How about the lovely irsay?

Almost after the season ending win at Memorial Stadium; he began talking to other cities about moving the club. On February 13th he toured the Hoosier Dome in Indianapolis. The Colts also spoke to officials in Phoenix, as the Maryland legislature tried to use eminent domain laws to force the franchise to remain in Maryland. On March 28th he kept the move secret until just after midnight when by cover of darkness he used Mayflower moving trucks to pack up the Colts offices and relocate them in Indianapolis. By the time anyone realized what had happened it was too late to stop.

Maryland put up a futile fight before the Colts agreed to support Baltimore getting an expansion team. The city of Baltimore would fail in several attempts at landing a NFL franchise, and even entered the CFL, before landing a new NFL franchise named the Ravens in 1996, over 11 years later. However, the Irsay family would not relinquish the name Colts, as they once promised. Many Colt legends were angered by the move including legendary Quarterback Johnny Unitas who refused to acknowledge the franchise for the rest of his life.

Its really really hard to feel sorry for the Browns, given what happened to the Colts. .

90 posted on 01/05/2010 6:06:01 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist

You will find that the huge majority of Browns fans think that the deal we got should be the standard for any future franchise move, and indeed should have been applied to the Houston situation and retroactively to the Baltimore situation.

It also should be noted that Baltimore would likely have beaten out Jacksonville for the 1993 expansion team if not for the efforts of art modell, who clearly was trying to keep that option open for himself.

Since the modell has been flushed out of the current organization, you’ll find that we have much more of a continuing issue with that family than the city and fans of Baltimore, with the exception of those fans who continue to defend the modells (still a significant minority).

-Eric


91 posted on 01/05/2010 6:14:39 AM PST by E Rocc (: Giving economic power to BHO is like giving condoms to Tiger Woods.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
The Colts LITERALLY left in the middle of the night without warning.

Without warning? Are you kidding? The Colts made it well known that they were seeking to move over a dispute surrounding the crappy stadium; the dispute between the Colts and Baltimore was years old. Phoenix, AZ was also a front runner.

The Colts left in the middle of the night because the state legislature was in the process of passing a bill to seize the team by eminient domain; if they waited until the next day, the state police might have seized the team's property. In fact, the Colts were so concerned about being stopped by the Maryland state police that several "dummy" trucks were sent to confuse the state.

If Baltimore wouldn't have been so ham-fisted towards the Colts, they would still be in Baltimore.

92 posted on 01/05/2010 6:23:10 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: Publius Valerius
Ham fisted? Then whats the rationale for keeping the name and blocking them initially from getting another franchise? The guy was a SOB.

You think Irsay is the first owner who snapped his fingers and didnt get what he wanted right away? I'm sorry, but he was promised a stadium but it wasnt fast enough for him. The league was dead set against what he did but he didnt care.

What the city did after he left was perfectly reasonable. The NFL administration is just a paper tiger anyways.

93 posted on 01/05/2010 7:48:46 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Drea
I do like Roethlisberger... I think he plays with a lot of heart, but I want him to change his off field behavior.

You probably know very little about Ben's 'off field' behavior.

94 posted on 01/05/2010 8:14:26 AM PST by Ditto (Directions for Clean Government: If they are in, vote them out. Rinse and repeat.)
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To: E Rocc
Baltimore would likely have beaten out Jacksonville for the 1993 expansion team if not for the efforts of art modell...........Baltimore.. fans .. continue to defend the modells (still a significant minority).

St Louis would have gotten it before Baltimore, and they did get a team before Baltimore (in '95, from L.A.) playing in the old Busch stadium for 2 years.

As for Modell, he's out of ownership and 84 yrs old and spends most of his time in Florida these days. Theres no Modell dynasty in Baltimore (unlike Irsay in Indianapolis), and they have no presence on the society circuit, as far as I can tell.

Irsay screwed Baltimore and Modell screwed Cleveland, but you didnt have to wait 11 years to get another team, and you kept your name. Nobody should be complaining, as far as I see it.

95 posted on 01/05/2010 8:41:25 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Publius Valerius

We were well aware that Irsay wanted to leave (even though sometimes he insisted “DAMNIT” that he wasn’t going to). The difference was the splitting without actually announcing it would happen.

Yes, the state was getting involved, perhaps too much (and now they talk of doing something about the Preakness). (Of course, why any city/state should have to build stadia, I don’t know; that’s state involvement, too.) But the fact remains the Colts left without saying they actually were going to do so. That is unprecedented.


96 posted on 01/05/2010 8:53:19 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: E Rocc

Hey, thanks for your reasoned reply and the info.

I stand by my statement, that regardless of the details, the bottom line was Modell (who was far in front of Irsay for being in the HOF, I might add, until this issue; Irsay was hated by and large by players and fans alike long before “the escape”) announced during the season he would be moving, then played out the season. Irsay left without any word, which is unprecedented before, and certainly not since.

After all, the Browns moved to Baltimore in the ‘50s to become the Orioles, too. Just another example of your more typical MO.


97 posted on 01/05/2010 9:01:50 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I did forget to mention one thing. When he moved, modell swapped from being a Republican (though basically a RINO) to the Democratic Party.


98 posted on 01/05/2010 10:47:40 AM PST by E Rocc (: Giving economic power to BHO is like giving condoms to Tiger Woods.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I did forget to mention one thing. When he moved, modell swapped from being a Republican (though basically a RINO) to the Democratic Party.


99 posted on 01/05/2010 10:47:47 AM PST by E Rocc (: Giving economic power to BHO is like giving condoms to Tiger Woods.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I did forget to mention one thing. When he moved, modell swapped from being a Republican (though basically a RINO) to the Democratic Party.


100 posted on 01/05/2010 10:48:01 AM PST by E Rocc (: Giving economic power to BHO is like giving condoms to Tiger Woods.)
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