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Was 2008 the death of open GOP primaries? (personal rant)
Self | Friday Jan. 22, 2010 | Thirteen

Posted on 01/22/2010 6:27:08 AM PST by Thirteen

I certainly hope so. I mean, how insane is it to allow your opponent to help pick the person they'd like their candidate to run against? It's been said that without the crossover votes in open GOP primaries, John McCain would not have won the Republican nomination. If one looks at things objectively, McCain would probably come in no better than third among all the 2008 GOP candidates in both popularity and the ability to defeat Obama or Hillary.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; crossover; primaries

1 posted on 01/22/2010 6:27:08 AM PST by Thirteen
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To: Thirteen

It was all a done deal by time our state had the GOP primaries. There has got to be a better way.


2 posted on 01/22/2010 6:33:21 AM PST by Qwackertoo (I'm really thrilled that Scott Brown WON Big Time Last Night)
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To: Thirteen

I hear ya and totally agree. I wish there was a way to contact Mr. Steele via email so we could flood his inbox with requests such as this and he could get a word back to confirm something or deny it. RNC seems so secretive right now. BUT, BUT, BUT, I am not of the the belief that a 3rd party is needed such as the Perot fiasco.


3 posted on 01/22/2010 6:33:51 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: Thirteen

No telling how the Michigan primary might have turned out if the democrats had a primary of their own to vote in.


4 posted on 01/22/2010 6:35:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Thirteen

Does anyone know what the reasoning was behind the moving to open primaries? Seems to me like it’s another one of those things that looks good on paper, but in practice causes more problems than it solves.

Or was it another of those ideas intended to get out the vote? IMHO, if a person has to be catered to and coddled to get them out to vote then we’re probably better off without their participation.

Somehow we’ve got to get control of our election process. We’ve got to get back to the point where those who vote are those who take an interest in what’s going on and will make an effort to exercise their right to vote.

But as for open primaries, I vote to do away with them completely! Let members, and members only, decide who will gets the support of a particular party.


5 posted on 01/22/2010 6:35:19 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: Thirteen
They also need to get rid of the winner-take-all primaries.

There were several early primaries where McCain got around 35% of the vote, yet won all or most of the delegates. IMO, this is what killed a number of the more conservative candidacies.

6 posted on 01/22/2010 6:39:50 AM PST by writmeister
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To: Thirteen

With the mess that George W. Bush left, there is not a Republican candidate in the world who could have been elected in 2008. Not even Duncan Hunter could have won.


7 posted on 01/22/2010 6:42:30 AM PST by MarkAccord
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To: MarkAccord

I don’t know about that. John McCain was probably the worst candidate the Republicans could have chosen, yet he still ran a pretty close race.


8 posted on 01/22/2010 6:46:36 AM PST by Thirteen (You can lead a horse to drink, but you can't make it water.)
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To: CincyRichieRich; All

>> I wish there was a way to contact Mr. Steele via email so we could flood his inbox with requests such as this and he could get a word back to confirm something or deny it.

It doesn’t make a bit of difference what Steele (or you, for that matter) think. The question of open primaries is up to each individual state.

I agree that open primaries are nuts. But, y’all, get real. It is highly unlikely open primaries will go away everywhere by 2012, let alone by 2010.

If you feel strongly about the issue, ranting and raving on this forum may feel good but it will accomplish nothing. Again, you need to work on getting it done at the individual STATE level.


9 posted on 01/22/2010 6:49:20 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Thirteen; Delphinium

Delphinium, would you care to share with these folks how hard it is to close a primary, even when you live in a very conservative state and when most Republicans in your state want it to happen?


10 posted on 01/22/2010 6:52:35 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Thirteen

Actually John McCain trailed virtually everyone till he was the last man standing. As guys like Romney and Thompson dropped out and released their delegates, McQueeg benefited.

I’m sure those big donations from the likes of AIG helped a lot.


11 posted on 01/22/2010 6:55:00 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Thirteen
This is why I would like to see a national primary, declare your party and vote, one day, one vote, done deal.

Last election cycle I was still in Indiana, my primary vote didn't mean squat, mccain had it sowed up.

12 posted on 01/22/2010 7:01:46 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Thirteen

Only because Palin was on the ticket!


13 posted on 01/22/2010 7:16:31 AM PST by catman67
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To: Thirteen

Who do you think could have won in 2008? Not Romney, that is for sure. People don’t like Romney for his flip flops?

Fred Thompson was a campaigning dud. He couldn’t beat McCain in S.C.


14 posted on 01/22/2010 7:25:14 AM PST by MarkAccord
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To: Kakaze

I’d love to see the raw numbers of actual votes the candidates recieved. I think people would be quite surprised.

One thing I can say for our open primary in Michigan is that you can’t split the ticket. If you vote for one republican, all down ticket races have to be between republicans. That probably helped to scare quite a few democrats away from playing with the GOP primary.


15 posted on 01/22/2010 7:31:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Thirteen

Unfortunately, this is a matter of state law, and varies from state to state.


16 posted on 01/22/2010 7:32:52 AM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: Thirteen

If they have open primaries in 2012, Barack will select his opponent and direct his ACORN and SEIU minions to raid open-primatries and vote for his selected opponent.

I suspect Huckabee or Romney. Either one keeps the conservative vote very depressed.


17 posted on 01/22/2010 8:28:07 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Enjoy nature - eat meat, wear fur and drive your car!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Wow I caught this one. Been away from FR too much, and mostly because I have been working very hard on getting a closed primary in Idaho.

Yes it is difficult because so many years of having democrats and moderate independents voting in our primary has caused RINOS (for lack of a better word) to be in powerful places in our state and in power in our IDGOP.

Good news!! Its worth all the work because we are moving ahead towards victory. About ready to go to court with our overwhelming evidence proving that open primaries and crossover voting has giving those who don't adhere to the principles of our Idaho Republican Party,

Platform http://www.idgop.org/gopplatform.aspx

It has been over 3 years since 82% of our voting members voted to close the primary. We had to throw out the RINO who our governor picked to head the party, making him, the gov) very angry. Which caused him to turn on any elected official who supported us, (the grassroots) Reason we lost our only conservative congressman. Of course voter fraud by ACORN might have been part of the problem, and since all EVIDENCE of thousands of fraudulent absentee votes went unheard by our liberal , RINO) Secretary of State. Those elected officials with the R behind their name would rather send a democrat to Washington to vote for Pelosi than to have a real Republican. REALLY!! And that is what happened. And all this because of our closed primary fight.


18 posted on 01/22/2010 8:33:21 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: Kakaze
This is why I would like to see a national primary, declare your party and vote, one day, one vote, done deal.

But again that would give power to the most populated places, and hurt our cause of conservatism.
19 posted on 01/22/2010 8:36:45 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium

Thank you for making it clear how hard it is to close a Republican primary, even in what is one of the most conservative, and Republican, states in the Union.

Your efforts are admirable, and they clearly show the utterly degraded state of Republican leadership.


20 posted on 01/22/2010 8:43:53 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Thirteen

How can we stop Open Primaries? Can the RNC do this?


21 posted on 01/16/2011 8:43:58 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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