Skip to comments....High Speed Intercity Passenger Rail Program: Cleveland-Columbus-Dayton-Cincinnati
Posted on 01/27/2010 6:41:40 PM PST by Cindy
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For Immediate Release January 27, 2010 Fact Sheet: High Speed Intercity Passenger Rail Program: Cleveland - Columbus - Dayton - Cincinnati
Awardees: Ohio Department of Transportation
Total Approximate Funding (entire corridor): $400,000,000
Benefiting State: Ohio
Miles of Track: New - 250 miles
This new corridor connects four major metropolitan areas in Ohio: Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati. This significant route, named the 3C Corridor, has a length of 250 miles and will serve communities near Lake Erie, in Central Ohio, and the Tri-State region around Cincinnati. These metropolitan areas are among the largest in the United States that are currently not served by passenger rail.
The corridor will connect 12 economically-distressed counties, and the new service will create thousands of direct and indirect jobs throughout the state. The project will also bring livability benets to the region, as many new stations will be constructed or restored in historic downtowns where they will connect to transit and other modes of transportation. Nearly 40 colleges and universities lie in close proximity to the route, as do the headquarters of 22 Fortune 500 companies.
The 3C Corridor is expected to be the first phase of a long-term vision for an extensive network of passenger rail corridors connecting the cities of Ohio and neighboring states. Subsequent phases are expected to increase speeds, cut trip times and boost available round trips.
Summary of Corridor Investments Using funding from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA), this new service is expected to oer three daily round trips at speeds up to 79 mph, serving a population of more than 6.8 million people (nearly 60 percent of Ohios population).
This investment will fund a number of projects across the state, including track upgrades, grade crossings, new stations, and maintenance facilities. This project will also include planning for necessary equipment that can support future service improvements.
ROFL...Can you say boondoggle?
White Elephants by the herd
The only way that they could get enough riders to make this work would be to require the unemployed to collect their checks in person in Columbus.
and this one will do a big dent in the wallet:
OBAMA TO ANNOUNCE $8 BILLION HIGH-SPEED RAIL PLAN AFTER STATE OF THE UNION SPEECH
(AP) via CNS NEWS ^ | January 27, 2010 | Julie Pace, AP
Posted on 01/27/2010 4:18:21 AM PST by Cindy
“Obama to Announce $8 Billion High-Speed Rail Plan After State of the Union Speech” Wednesday, January 27, 2010 By Julie Pace, Associated Press
SNIPPET: “Washington (AP) - A day after delivering a State of the Union address aimed at showing recession-weary Americans he understands their struggles, President Barack Obama intends to award $8 billion in stimulus funds to develop high-speed rail corridors and sell the program as a jobs creator.
Obama and Vice President Joe Biden plan to announce grants for 13 major corridors during a town hall meeting in Tampa, Fla., Thursday...”
(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...
$8 billion will hardly get those 13 projects off the drawing board, it will be at least 3 times as much to build them and then they will require never ending operating subsidies.
They’d have to give them a special train fare allowance then.
They’ll fund this, but won’t assist with money to keep the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority from going under?
The Ohio Democratic Municipal Disaster Tour.
I am a resident of the metropolitan Cleveland area. I’d rather drive myself to Columbus or Cincinnati in the privacy of my own car where I can enjoy some peace and quiet rather than being a part of the human cattle car industry.
Wait and see ... Warren Buffett will profit from this railroad spending in one way or another...
I live in Cincy and I have the same thought. It’ll be like the interstate system when it comes to laying it out. The state will have to kick in and the local reps will lobby to have the tracks stop in their ‘burg and village. Adding to the costs and delays in travel.
We’ll see if our future Governor Kasich will derail this plan.
It might work if freight was included, but that would probably require change in regulations, and of course would incur the resistance of the trucking industry. The relief of traffic on I-71 however would be a big improvement.
By the time I drive to downtown Dayton, wait for a train, take it and find a car at the other end it would be quicker, easier and cheaper to just drive to Columbus and Cincinnati. Plus I rarely go downtown in either of those cities. As for Cleveland - why would I go there?
Seriously, it's not quite four hour drive to Cleveland and the train would probably make it faster, but the only routes that make sense for time are Dayton-Cleveland and Cincinnati-Cleveland. Driving from Columbus to any of the other cities is quicker unless you are already near the train station and going somewhere near the station at the other end.
I doubt many of our attorneys would use this between offices because of the rigidness of their schedules.
H E double hockey sticks .. I use to have offices in teh Carew tower and Mt. Adams, until that commie dirtbag news reader luken let the inmates run the assylum. I can’t think seriously of spending time in EITHER Cincy (Detroit South) or Cleveland WITH or WITHOUT a car.
If the world needed an enema, either would be a place of insertion.
I made the mistake of visiting Over the Rhine back in 2005. During the day, it was scarier than anywhere I’ve been in the Bronx or even Newark.
best thing that could happen to over the rhine is a pnd )(pocket nuclear device)
My 17 year old daughter was flat out amzed when she hear another Infamous new reader, speak glowingly that it had been 4 consecutive weeks without a murder. She looked at me and asked “We are supposed to celebrate that”
Welcome to Cincy
And...the best benefit of all???? Assure that Ohio will be in the Oboy’s re-election corner.
look Look! LOOK!!
There goes the ACORN Express!
That is the funniest!
Below is exactly what is going to happen to us in Ohio after this dumb idea is rolling for a year, times 10.
It’s birthday time for the Rail Runner Express commuter rail service today marks the first anniversary of the train’s service between Albuquerque and Santa Fe.
Officials say that since the Santa Fe service started, the train has carried 1,372,000 passengers, a daily average of about 4,400.
But fares still don’t account for much of the Rail Runner’s operating budget. Rail Runner spokeswoman Augusta Meyers said out of last fiscal year’s $21 million operating budget for the train, about $1.9 million came from ticket sales. Most of the money, about $17 million, was from the federal government’s Congestion Mitigation and Air Quality program.
Every time this comes up for Ohio I ask the same questions. Who's going to ride it? How do you get around once you get to your destination? Where are you laying down all the new tracks, you can't use the freight tracks.
(I hear you - Summit County resident here)
I can’t believe John K will be interested in this money pit.
Correct me if I'm wrong but did the evil robber barons (Jay Gould, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Charles Crocker, Edward Harriman, Leland Stanford) build the railroads only to be vilified by politicians later.
How “free” is driving if you require a license from the state to do it, and to register with the state all the implements of doing it, and must pay taxes to the state for every mile you go (gas tax), and can only drive on government approved rights of way?
You are really at the total mercy of the state when it comes to travel if you rely only on your car.
OTOH, public conveyances (trains, planes, buses) can be used by all without any governmental distraint.
Its bizzarre that people have such a backwards view of “freedom” as what you expressed, but, well, there you have it. Socialism and legal restraint is “freedom” and freedom using conveyance provided by private corporations is being constrained.
Really? When's the last time you flew? 1965? Take off your shoes, get searched, can't carry a gun, can't carry SHAMPOO for crying out loud!
I flew last week. I didn’t need any sort of government permissions or registrations to do it. I just bought a ticket, went to the airport, walked through security, and got on the plane.
Having driven the Columbus-Cleveland route serveral times , my take is this.
If it weren’t for the semis there would be little to low normal traffic.
As it is it’s mostly trucks.
You needed a valid government issued photo ID.
Walked through security? Just like that? Not since September 11, and I fly a lot, and into little burgs like Presque Isle, Maine. Shoes off, no liquids over 3 ounces, blah, blah, blah.
The government controls you no matter what your mode of transport is.
So, expensive rail will be provided to those who do not have the money or a reason to ride. This is becoming more 'Atlas Shrugged' all the time.
AMTRAK II: The Sequel.
I’m a west sider (Avon Lake) in C-town GOP lady. I won’t even ride the transit downtown. Some seedy characters roaming those cars. No reason for me to even think about riding this disaster....Heck, I can do 79 mph’s and get there faster without any smelly guy sitting next to me. Now if that train did 150 mph’s....maybe....
Let’s hope this dies on the drawing board...
I remember that episode. LOL! In fact, it's been at least that long they've been talking about this whole taxpayer-funded choo-choo train project in Ohio (as well as a local/commuter version for Columbus! *facepalm*)
Much as I love trains, I don't think government has any business building or running them. If we got rid of AmKrash and let private companies handle all the railroads again, that would be great!
The private railroads got out of the passenger business for economic reasons. Air passenger transportation was taking away their patrons.
After Reagan deregulated the Airline industry there was no possibility of resurrecting rail travel. The airfares fell and their was no way the railroads could compete with the prices or the speed of airlines.
One of the major problems with high speed rail service is that most of the plans include the use of pre-existing commercial rail lines.
To get the agreement of the owners of those lines the guberment must agree that the passenger service will not impede freight service. This means that a passenger train will be sided to allow a freight train to pass.
Good does it do to have a train that can cruise at 75 mph if it spends a half hour here and a half hour there sitting on a siding waiting for a 200 car coal train to pass by
To me high speed rail would require a new set of tracks purpose built to support a 200 mph+ passenger train. That means high banked curves and high maintenance (something government is not particularly good at).
79mph is hi-speed???
It is as fast as existing rail in Ohio can safely accommodate.
This is too funny. Greyhound already serves this “corridor.” And frankly, Greyhound, a private business, provides better transportation between these cities than flying or Amtrak does.
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