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Is it safe to say that the "global warming" theory has been discredited?

Posted on 02/12/2010 10:08:23 AM PST by LouAvul

If so, how might I prove it to a global warming advocate. I personally believe it to be a hoax, but other than showing that the climate has fluctuated wildly throughout recorded history, he's not going to be dissuaded.


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1 posted on 02/12/2010 10:08:23 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Show him the Hadley emails.


2 posted on 02/12/2010 10:10:35 AM PST by benjibrowder (For Neda. May God bless those fighting for freedom.)
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To: LouAvul

Does AGW pass or fail the Falsifiability Principle ?

Karl Popper argued that prima facie evidence of a bogus theory was the practice of altering or enlarging it, by its authors, to accommodate new evidence since its original formulation. This, he argued, had happened in the case of Marxism and, still more, Freudianism. Scientific theories, he argued, must be very precise and scientific to be of any use. Marxism and Freudianism were just portmanteau notions into which virtually any kind of phenomena could be made to fit. Hence Marxism led to political and economic disaster areas like the Soviet Union, and Freudianism to a stupendous waste of time and money.
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It is a pity Popper did not live to see that Global Warming fit perfectly into his model of a pseudo-theory. It is vaguely and imprecisely formulated. It fails the falsifiability test, because all new evidence is made to fit by enlarging the theory. When originally formulated in the 1980s, Global Warming produced by man-made emissions would lead, it was argued, to much higher temperatures and desiccation. There would be a huge drop in rainfall and an imperative need to build seawater desalination plants. I recall an unusually dry summer (1987) in the English Lake District, normally rainy, was triumphantly presented as “absolute proof” of the theory. This autumn, the Lake District had an unusually wet spell, culminating in floods that engulfed the delightful town of Cockermouth, where Wordsworth was born. This was pounced upon by Global Warming “experts” as “absolute proof” of their theory, and paraded as such in Copenhagen.

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The fact is that the theory has now been expanded to include any unusual form of weather, anywhere. Hot summers, warm winters — global warming. Cold weather at an unusual time of year — global warming. Drought, storms, floods — global warming. No snow on the ski slopes, sudden snow, out of season snow, very heavy snow — global warming.
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It is a form of pantheism and a useful emotional outlet for people who have renounced Judeo-Christianity. If someone is anti-American, left-liberal, and atheist, it is virtually certain he (or even she: women are notoriously more skeptical about it than men are) is a Global Warmer.

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http://spectator.org/archives/2010/02/03/the-real-way-to-save-the-plane


3 posted on 02/12/2010 10:12:35 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: LouAvul

There are a multitude of GW links on my FR homepage.

4 posted on 02/12/2010 10:13:05 AM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: LouAvul

Beating your head against the wall would be more productive. It is a religous belief, a cult, and there is no way you will convince a true believer regardless of the evidence.

Better to find someone with an open mind.


5 posted on 02/12/2010 10:15:06 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: LouAvul

They aren’t going to admit it for a long time, there is too much invested in it, both money and face.


6 posted on 02/12/2010 10:15:16 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: LouAvul

Global Warming’s undead. Killed, but resurrected as “Climate Change”, apparently killed by scandal, but sure to rise again. Need to find someone with silver bullets.


7 posted on 02/12/2010 10:15:54 AM PST by rightwingcrazy
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To: LouAvul

How about snow in every State?


8 posted on 02/12/2010 10:16:00 AM PST by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER! LION = Let's Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Thanks for the information.
Objectively it has been completely discredited.
However, for those with economic and/or political (criminal or otherwise) interests invested in fighting AGW, it will never be discredited. These proponents should be called out as the criminals that they are. IMHO


9 posted on 02/12/2010 10:17:37 AM PST by J Edgar
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To: LouAvul

How can it be discredited when it was neve “credited” to begin with? AGW has always been complete garbage believed in only by idiots, charlatans, goons, nuts, and fascists.


10 posted on 02/12/2010 10:19:58 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: LouAvul
how might I prove it to a global warming advocate.

About the same way you'd teach a goldfish to use a typewriter.
11 posted on 02/12/2010 10:28:24 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority ("My...health care plan is a Bolshevik plot... which will destroy America." - Barack Obama)
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To: LouAvul
Explain that data from 40% of Russia (75% of Russian data) was excluded from studies (www.examiner.com/x-25061-Climate-Change-Examiner~y2009m12d16-Climategate-expands—Russians-allege-data-manipulated-and-exclud), NPR has now criticized global warming advocates for shoddy science a( www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123601479).Look up Dr William Sprigg and his discussion of the Anglia emails (www.climategate.com/former-ipcc-leader-says-climategate-scientists-manipulated-data). IPCC has been found to have published 5 doom predictions that are based on advocacy articles for anthropogenic global warming or fabricated by the IPCC (michaelcostello.blogspot.com/.../ipcc-claims-melting-faster-than.html) . I hope this helps!
12 posted on 02/12/2010 10:29:29 AM PST by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: LouAvul

Aside from all the scandals lately, ask the following questions:

1) What is the *right* temperature for the earth? (If Gorebbel’s Warming advocates are going to say that the earth is getting “too hot” they need to be able to say what the “right” temperature is, just like you can say that a normal temperature for the human body is 98.6 and 102 is too hot. This should be extremely easy question to answer if the scientific debate was *settled*. It would be a number that is trumpeted by the liberals every day.)

2) When the global temperature was warmer in the past, was it MORE conducive to life on this planet or LESS? Given the answer to this question, is warming a good or bad thing?

3) If CO2 levels and temperatures were much, much higher in the past, how did the earth ever recover? Why isn’t the planet a barren wasteland now? Is there any chance the system can self-regulate?


13 posted on 02/12/2010 10:29:55 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: Para-Ord.45

It has always been discredited. But that won’t stop the outright Kool-Aid drinkers, and those more insidious groups/businesses who stand to gain power and money from it.


14 posted on 02/12/2010 10:30:39 AM PST by PGR88
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To: LouAvul

Absolutely Not!

I’ve got 2 feet of snow outside my house to prove it!

LOL!

;-)


15 posted on 02/12/2010 10:35:52 AM PST by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: LouAvul

Follow the money- the EU has 4 TRLLION invested in global warming being FACT. The head of the IPCC fund is head of British pensions.

Figure this out.

http://www.unfoundation.org/press-center/press-releases/2007/investors-managing-4-trillion-call-on-congress.html


16 posted on 02/12/2010 10:36:58 AM PST by silverleaf (My Proposed Federal Budget is $29.99)
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To: LouAvul

Ask your friend this question, “If global warming is man made, then how did the last four ice ages end?”


17 posted on 02/12/2010 10:39:05 AM PST by BradtotheBone (Moderate Democrat - A politician whose voting record leans left and whose vote can be bought.)
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To: LouAvul

The Earth has been warming for the last 20,000 or so years; witness the sudden (in geological terms) end of the last glaciation. Now matter how hard we try, we can not affect the global temperature more than a fraction of a degree for any period of time. A “nuclear winter”, for example, would last a few years, and show up as a tiny blip on a chart of a thousand years, which to nature is the blink of an eye.

Climate change is natural and beyond our control. I’m all for not fouling our nest; clean water and air are good things. But leftists’ lying about the results of human activity makes me want to get a really big coal furnace just to pi$$ the liars off!


18 posted on 02/12/2010 10:47:09 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: steelyourfaith

Global glaciation; snowball Earth?


19 posted on 02/12/2010 10:48:38 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: TNoldman
How about snow in every State?

I was about to challenge that with Hawaii, but I seem to remember hearing of skiing on the highest volcanic mountain there. Any Hawaiian FReepers out there to confirm or debunk?

20 posted on 02/12/2010 10:53:47 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: LouAvul
Why should you have to prove glowbull warmongering isn't happening? Under the normal ‘innocent until proven guilty’ approach, isn't the onus on your friend to prove it is happening? So... let your friend raise his/her evidence and then you can sequentially shoot it down. Since virtually all the ‘science’ they hung their hat on has been thoroughly discredited, it's almost like shooting fish in a pond.
21 posted on 02/12/2010 10:58:54 AM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest... ("In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell)
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To: LouAvul

Oh heck no. These kind of things never die:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_JWywDqgRs

parsy, who knows you will ROTFLYAO!


22 posted on 02/12/2010 10:59:17 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: LouAvul
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Climate will continue to change -- both hotter and colder.

It has long before humans got here and will probably continue to do so long after we are gone.

23 posted on 02/12/2010 11:00:18 AM PST by Touch Not the Cat
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To: LouAvul

It was never credible to begin with.


24 posted on 02/12/2010 11:45:51 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: JimRed

The tallest mountains in HI get snow every Winter. Also, with this AGW lie, they never mention the fact that we are still in an Ice Age. (Lucky for us we are currently in an interglacial warm period). One thing is certain is that the Glaicers will come back some day, just that no one knows when. - could be 100 years and it could be 10,000 years.

Here in Dayton, Ohio, we still get all of our water from acquifers left over from the last Ice Sheet that was on top of us over 10,000 years ago.

Anyway, a warm up is a helluva lot better for mankind than a cool down.


25 posted on 02/12/2010 11:48:03 AM PST by ohioman
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To: LouAvul
It should be the responsibility of someone claiming a factual positive (i.e. CO2 produced by human activities is causing the climate to become warmer over time) to provide hard evidence. Other than the self fulfilling prophesies of computer models (which are easily rigged and not even close to sophisticated enough to duplicate a system as complex and chaotic as the Earth's climate) I am not aware of anything that could be called physical empirical evidence to support the AGW theory.

So, in simple terms tell your friend to show you why he believes AGW is true. Second hand opinions of "scientists", much less a politician who flunked out of a divinity school and couldn't finish law school (see: Al Gore), are not physical evidence.

Meanwhile, you can refer him to or even print out numerous studies which show that the claims said politician and scientists have made are consistently inaccurate (see: Medieval Warm Period, the actual temperature records for the 20th century - hint: the 1930's were hotter than the 90's, ice core measures of CO2 concentrations for the past few hundred thousand years, etc.)

If nothing else you will be able to find out whether your friend is rational or someone who in another age would have believed disease is caused by imbalanced bodily "humors" and the sun revolves around the earth. These were also at one time considered "settled science".

26 posted on 02/12/2010 12:07:50 PM PST by katana (AGW = Al Gore in Wonderland)
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To: JimRed
Climate change is natural and beyond our control.

I'd contend that the word "climate" is a synonym for "change". If man could force climate to behave and hold to some ideal, in short order the word "climate" would lose all meaning. If ambient conditions never changed the very nature of "climate" would fall from conscious notice.

If it never got dark, you'd never miss the night.

Regards,
GtG

27 posted on 02/12/2010 5:41:12 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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