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History in the Remaking
Newsweek ^ | 19 Feb 2010` | Patrick Symmes

Posted on 02/23/2010 8:21:35 AM PST by Palter

A temple complex in Turkey that predates even the pyramids is rewriting the story of human evolution.

They call it potbelly hill, after the soft, round contour of this final lookout in southeastern Turkey. To the north are forested mountains. East of the hill lies the biblical plain of Harran, and to the south is the Syrian border, visible 20 miles away, pointing toward the ancient lands of Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent, the region that gave rise to human civilization. And under our feet, according to archeologist Klaus Schmidt, are the stones that mark the spot—the exact spot—where humans began that ascent.

Standing on the hill at dawn, overseeing a team of 40 Kurdish diggers, the German-born archeologist waves a hand over his discovery here, a revolution in the story of human origins. Schmidt has uncovered a vast and beautiful temple complex, a structure so ancient that it may be the very first thing human beings ever built. The site isn't just old, it redefines old: the temple was built 11,500 years ago—a staggering 7,000 years before the Great Pyramid, and more than 6,000 years before Stonehenge first took shape. The ruins are so early that they predate villages, pottery, domesticated animals, and even agriculture—the first embers of civilization. In fact, Schmidt thinks the temple itself, built after the end of the last Ice Age by hunter-gatherers, became that ember—the spark that launched mankind toward farming, urban life, and all that followed.

Göbekli Tepe—the name in Turkish for "potbelly hill"—lays art and religion squarely at the start of that journey.


A pillar at the Gobekli Tepe temple near Sanliurfa, Turkey, the oldest known temple in the world

(Excerpt) Read more at newsweek.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: anatolia; catalhoyuk; catalhuyuk; gobeklitepe; godsgravesglyphs; prehistory; sanliurfa; temple; turkey

1 posted on 02/23/2010 8:21:35 AM PST by Palter
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To: SunkenCiv

Gobekli Tepe ping.


2 posted on 02/23/2010 8:21:50 AM PST by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
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To: Palter
The site isn't just old, it redefines old: the temple was built 11,500 years ago Impossible. The earth wasn't created yet.
3 posted on 02/23/2010 8:23:20 AM PST by HospiceNurse
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To: HospiceNurse

To assume this is the last “oldest” site ever to be discovered is dumb, arrogant, naieve or some combination of all of the above.


4 posted on 02/23/2010 8:26:17 AM PST by dools007
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To: dools007

There is a pile of poop in Kenya buried under a mountain of sand that is the first monument to liberalism.


5 posted on 02/23/2010 8:30:34 AM PST by HospiceNurse
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To: dools007

Why do you say that?


6 posted on 02/23/2010 8:44:16 AM PST by stormer
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To: HospiceNurse

Seriously?


7 posted on 02/23/2010 8:44:31 AM PST by stormer
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To: Palter

Fascinating.


8 posted on 02/23/2010 8:47:49 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Palter

No Helen Thomas photos.
Thank you very much.


9 posted on 02/23/2010 8:48:40 AM PST by tumblindice (Facts are stubborn things.)
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To: Palter

This guys conclusions are a stretch. This complex could just as easily be the site of the first human swap meet.


10 posted on 02/23/2010 8:56:16 AM PST by anonsquared (TEA PARTY 2010 - THROW 'EM ALL IN THE HARBOR!)
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To: HospiceNurse; stormer

Sumerians Look On In Confusion As G-d Creates World

Members of the Earth’s earliest known civilization, the Sumerians, looked on in shock and confusion some 6,000 years ago as G-d, the Lord Almighty, created Heaven and Earth.

According to recently excavated clay tablets inscribed with cuneiform script, thousands of Sumerians—the first humans to establish systems of writing, agriculture, and government—were working on their sophisticated irrigation systems when the Father of All Creation reached down from the ether and blew the divine spirit of life into their thriving civilization.

“I do not understand,” reads an ancient line of pictographs depicting the sun, the moon, water, and a Sumerian who appears to be scratching his head. “A booming voice is saying, ‘Let there be light,’ but there is already light. It is saying, ‘Let the earth bring forth grass,’ but I am already standing on grass.”

“Everything is here already,” the pictograph continues. “We do not need more stars.”

Historians believe that, immediately following the biblical event, Sumerian witnesses returned to the city of Eridu, a bustling metropolis built 1,500 years before G-d called for the appearance of dry land, to discuss the new development. According to records, Sumerian farmers, priests, and civic administrators were not only befuddled, but also took issue with the face of G-d moving across the water, saying that He scared away those who were traveling to Mesopotamia to participate in their vast and intricate trade system.

Moreover, the Sumerians were taken aback by the creation of the same animals and herb-yielding seeds that they had been domesticating and cultivating for hundreds of generations.

“The Sumerian people must have found G-d’s making of heaven and earth in the middle of their well-established society to be more of an annoyance than anything else,” said Paul Helund, ancient history professor at Cornell University. “If what the pictographs indicate are true, His loud voice interrupted their ancient prayer rituals for an entire week.”

According to the cuneiform tablets, Sumerians found G-d’s most puzzling act to be the creation from dust of the first two human beings.

“These two people made in his image do not know how to communicate, lack skills in both mathematics and farming, and have the intellectual capacity of an infant,” one Sumerian philosopher wrote.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/sumerians_look_on_in_confusion_as


11 posted on 02/23/2010 8:56:38 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: anonsquared

“This complex could just as easily be the site of the first human swap meet.”

It’s too “out of the way” and elaborate. Swap meets are about improving one’s situation by trade. You would do this where convenient.

This was way out of the way, necessitated huge amounts of work dragging stones for miles, carving them, etc.

People wouldn’t do that for a swap meet.


12 posted on 02/23/2010 8:59:08 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

LOL! “If what the pictographs indicate are true, His loud voice interrupted their ancient prayer rituals for an entire week.”


13 posted on 02/23/2010 9:11:32 AM PST by stormer
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To: Palter; Quix
Eldritch horrors ping.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

14 posted on 02/23/2010 9:21:27 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: stormer

Stormer-Not sure about your question, but I’ll say it another way.

What is it about this latest find that precludes the possibility that older evidence of man is not out there? Or, how can anyone know everything that is to be discovered with regard to man’s existence has been discovered?


15 posted on 02/23/2010 9:27:46 AM PST by dools007
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To: Jewbacca
A booming voice is saying, ‘Let there be light,’ but there is already light.

Back in the early '90s I worked in a plant in Macon, GA. I used to come in early, usually the first one there. One game I always played, because I was among a bunch of bible-thumpers, was to intone in a deep voice, as I flipped the lights on, "And I commanded, 'Let there be light', and behold!, there was light upon the land."

I didn't know one of the BTs also came in early and when the lights came on, he came out of his cubicle with eyes as big as saucers. He stayed away from me from then on. :-)

In line with the Onion article, the Sumerians are said to have pictured the entire solar system, complete with an extra planet that we have yet to discover (mebbe we'll find it in 2012):


16 posted on 02/23/2010 9:37:21 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: dools007
Huh? This is the oldest site discovered. That says nothing about that awaiting discovery and in no way precludes the discovery of something older.
17 posted on 02/23/2010 9:43:59 AM PST by stormer
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To: Oatka

I’ve encountered the claim that the Sumerians had pictured the entire solar system and have even been presented with the image you have provided. Who knows what knowledge they may have possessed, but if that is meant to represent what is claimed, the Sumerians missed the single most impressive aspect of our solar system - Saturn’s rings. If they were represented, I’d be impressed.


18 posted on 02/23/2010 9:50:34 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

You’d need a telescope to see the rings.

But you could (theoretically) figure out we live in a Copernican system with the naked eye.


19 posted on 02/23/2010 10:10:17 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: The Comedian

Gollum’s uncle?


20 posted on 02/23/2010 10:15:18 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Jewbacca

“You’d need a telescope to see the rings.”

Exactly my point. And while Uranus can be seen with the naked eye, even it wasn’t discovered until 1781. Neptune and Pluto are out of the question. The claim by some that the Sumerians had this knowledge by any method is nonsense. As far as Copernicus goes, I’m not sure even he believed what he had devised (he waited until he lay on his deathbed to announce his findings). The development of the Copernican System is one of the primal monuments of human ingenuity.


21 posted on 02/23/2010 10:21:52 AM PST by stormer
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To: Palter
The site isn't just old, it redefines old: the temple was built 11,500 years ago—a staggering 7,000 years before the Great Pyramid, and more than 6,000 years before Stonehenge first took shape.

Serious question:

How do they know the temple was built 11,500 years ago?

I know about carbon dating and such, but that just tells you how old the rock is, not when somebody built something with it.

22 posted on 02/23/2010 10:28:15 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
Gobekli Tepe: The World’s First Temple?

'And because those artifacts closely resemble others from nearby sites previously carbon-dated to about 9000 B.C., Schmidt and co-workers estimate that Gobekli Tepe's stone structures are the same age. Limited carbon dating undertaken by Schmidt at the site confirms this assessment.'

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'In fact, research at other sites in the region has shown that within 1,000 years of Gobekli Tepe's construction, settlers had corralled sheep, cattle and pigs. And, at a prehistoric village just 20 miles away, geneticists found evidence of the world's oldest domesticated strains of wheat; radiocarbon dating indicates agriculture developed there around 10,500 years ago, or just five centuries after Gobekli Tepe's construction.'

23 posted on 02/23/2010 10:35:12 AM PST by Palter (Kilroy was here.)
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To: Palter

Fascinating.


24 posted on 02/23/2010 10:57:07 AM PST by Mariner
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To: stormer

“As far as Copernicus goes, I’m not sure even he believed what he had devised (he waited until he lay on his deathbed to announce his findings).”

I understand he delayed to avoid ex-communication, but I defer to those with a better understanding of Roman Catholism.


25 posted on 02/23/2010 11:10:42 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1173106/posts?page=1064#1064


26 posted on 02/23/2010 4:31:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Palter

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Thanks Palter.

Thanks go to cajuncow for sending a link to an online article about Göbekli Tepe. I suspect there will be a rash of articles at various news sources, and another spate of FR topics about it. AFAIK, these are all of them so far, chrono order: Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

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27 posted on 02/23/2010 4:36:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: stormer

Yo Stormer—I agree with you. How could you read what I wrote and think othwerwise?


28 posted on 02/23/2010 4:56:04 PM PST by dools007
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To: stormer
Who knows what knowledge they may have possessed, but if that is meant to represent what is claimed, the Sumerians missed the single most impressive aspect of our solar system - Saturn’s rings. If they were represented, I’d be impressed.

Here's one from a website on Sumerian Astrology that claims to show just such a knowledge.


29 posted on 02/23/2010 5:03:19 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: dools007

Sorry - I always think otherwise.


30 posted on 02/23/2010 7:51:40 PM PST by stormer
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To: Oatka

31 posted on 02/23/2010 7:55:16 PM PST by stormer
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