Not only did Obama not attend Columbia College...Harvard has no record of him either...nor Hawaii

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/02/court-grants-motion-for-leave-to-file.html ^ | 3-3-10 | medical

[andy58-in-nh]

Hmmm. I don't see anything wrong here...

[rxsid]

Barry inherited British citizenship from his father. U.S. law can not prevent a foreigner from "passing" his foreign citizenship to his children.

If Barry was born in HI, he would have been born with US citizenship by way of being born in HI as well as inherited from his mother. However, he would also have inherited his fathers British citizenship as well and there is nothing U.S. law can do to "prevent" that from happening. The only way U.S. law can "cause" someone to have their foreign citizenship "removed" from them is by way of Naturalization...and that of course, is an individual voluntary act. Bottom line, if Sr. was his legal father when he was born...no matter where he was born, he was born with British citizenship (& possibly US citizenship, if born in HI).

For the lurkers...

Who, or "what" constituted a natural born citizen was well known to the framers. Jay would not have made such a suggestion to others (Washington & the rest of those in attendance at the Constitutional Convention) unless there was a clear understanding of what that term meant. The definition comes from a source that not only were the framers familiar with, but the founders (many who were both) as well.

 

NBC in the Constitutional drafts:

June 18th, 1787 - Alexander Hamilton suggests that the requirement be added, as: "No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States

July 25, 1787 (~5 weeks later) - John Jay writes a letter to General Washington (president of the Constitutional Convention): "Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen." [the word born is underlined in Jay's letter.] http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field%28DOCID+@lit%28fr00379%29%29:

September 2nd, 1787 George Washington pens a letter to John Jay. The last line reads: "I thank you for the hints contained in your letter"
http://www.consource.org/index.asp?bid=582&fid=600&documentid=71483

September 4th, 1787 (~6 weeks after Jay's letter and just 2 days after Washington wrote back to Jay) - The "Natural Born Citizen" requirement is now found in their drafts. Madison's notes of the Convention
The proposal passed unanimously without debate.

 

Original French version of Vattel's Law of Nations:

Emer de Vattel, Le droit des gens, ou Principes de la loi naturelle, vol. 1 (of 2) [1758]

From Chapter XIX, 212 (page 248 of 592):
Title in French: "Des citoyens et naturels"
To English: "Citizens and natural"

French text (about citizens): "Les citoyens sont les membres de la societe civile : lies a cette societe par certains devoirs et soumis a son autorite, ils participent avec egalite a ses avantages."
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To English: "The citizens are the members of the civil society: dregs has this company by certain duties and subjected has its authority, they take part with equality has its advantages."

French text (about "natural" born citizens): "Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays, de parens citoyens"
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To English, gives this: "the natural, or indigenous, are those born in the country, parents who are citizens"

 

The same defintion was referenced in the dicta of many early SCOTUS cases as well...some examples:

"THE VENUS, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814) (Marshall, C.J. concurring) (cites Vattel’s definition of Natural Born Citizen)
SHANKS V. DUPONT, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830) (same definition without citing Vattel)
MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S.162,167-168 ( 1875) (same definition without citing Vattel)
EX PARTE REYNOLDS, 1879, 5 Dill., 394, 402 (same definition and cites Vattel)
UNITED STATES V WARD, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D. Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel.)"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/17519578/Kerchner-v-Obama-Congress-DOC-34-Plaintiffs-Brief-Opposing-Defendants-Motion-to-Dismiss

[Brytani]

Ok, something else is weird that nobody (that I’ve seen) has brought up.

I’ve been lurking on this thread and went to the Harvard site to see if I could find Obama.

Using only the search term Obama I came up with the pic that have been posted onto here.

Didn’t his father also graduate from Harvard? Why didn’t any picture of O Sr. come up?

To me that is very strange. Could his fathers pictures be missing? Were they used to “make” Obama Jr’s? Or am I simply looking at the wrong place to find his fathers pics?

[EnderWiggins]

"One of my nephews is a Harvard graduate and a former Rhodes Scholar. As a tenured professor at Saint Hugh’s College and a member of the university’s admissions committee, plus a very highly regarded Harvard alumni, “M” has full access to Harvard’s complete physical and electronic student records..."

1) Oxford and other UK universities did away with the tenure system during the Thatcher years.

2) In the UK, they are not "professors." They are either "fellows" or "lecturers."

3) Anybody claiming "tenure" would have had to secure it prior to 1985, meaning they are 45 years or older today.

4)Searching the St. Hughs website, the only faculty member who has any ties to Harvard is M. Grasso.

5) M. Grasso does not have tenure.

6)M. Grasso only has research ties, not a degree from Harvard.

7) Oh, and this is what M. Grasso (apparently not this person's nephew) looks like:

[Fred Nerks]

Senior supposedly attented Harvard from September 1962. He left Hawaii in June. There has been no ducumented information regarding his Harvard attendance, and nothing to show he graduated.

The links I provided relate to Harvard Law. Senior was not studying Law IIRC.

But if everything was on the up and up...one would think that Harvard would be proud to include the story about Barack Hussein Obama Sr being a Kenyan graduate...in articles about Obama zero. There are none.

Probably has a lot to do with how they played around with their names. For example, the ‘Uncle Omar’ referred to in ‘Dreams’ who ‘left Kenya 25 years ago and never came back’ turns out to be NOT Omar Obama, but OBAMA O ONYANGO -

Obama Onyango was discovered in Boston at the same time as the illegal Aunt Zeitinu.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/us-electi...956198053.html

http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?t=103279

As Barack Hussein Obama Senior and ‘Omar’ are supposedly half brothers with the same father, Senior’s name very well could be Barack Obama Onyango.

[Brytani]

I may have been looking at the wrong site but where I was searching should have shown ALL Harvard Graduates going back as far as they’ve been taking pictures. No O Senior that I can find.

I don’t remember what his father studied - someone on here knows I’m sure.

You know, there is a lot of tin-foil hat stuff surrounding Obama and his background; a good deal of it, IMO, put out by the O’bots and the Admin to make us look bad. Just last weekend I heard I guy claim that Obama was a CIA agent that assassinated Sonny Bono. Sorry, to me that is just nuts.

However - there are many very serious questions surrounding Obama, his background and obviously his eligibility. As more people are asking questions accurate, sourced information seems to keep getting scrubbed at an incredible rate.

My hope (and I’m very serious about this) that Obama pisses off the Brits and Israel enough that their intelligence communities open up their dossiers on him for the world to see. I honestly believe that is one of the only was we will ever learn the truth.

[Albertafriend]

I think he was supposed to have got a Masters degree in economics.

[CrushObamasLies]

You, “Ender Wiggins”, intentionally failed to locate my nephew, plus you mocked and defamed him. I suggest you and the other cheap Marxist propagandists who blindly support Obama and his totally fabricated “life history” correct your outright lies before several members of my family institute a seriously expensive civil action against you. BTW, The majority of our family is composed of two professions, Medical Doctors and Attorneys at Law. Fifty nine members of our family fall into those two categories and all are rated tops in their professions. You and Obama are common trash and proven pathological liars.

[ladyjane]

Also he claims his nephew is a highly regarded alumni.

Actually unless his nephew has a tapeworm or a mouse in his pocket he is an alumnus, not an alumni.

[patlin]

O Sr was here to study economics

[Brytani]

Ok thank. Still looking around.

Am I the only one who thinks it’s “interesting” that the first black editor of the HLR, a son of a Harvard graduate and first black president, who is said to have graduated from Harvard wouldn’t have a larger presence on Harvards website?

[ICAB9USA]

"Actually unless his nephew has a tapeworm or a mouse in his pocket he is an alumnus, not an alumni." ---

Actually even if his nephew had "a tapeworm or a mouse in his pocket" he would still be an alumnus.

;-)

[antisocial]

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[EnderWiggins]

"You, “Ender Wiggins”, intentionally failed to locate my nephew, plus you mocked and defamed him." Actually... I am (at this point) convinced that youe nephew does not exist. So It is difficult to mock or defame him.

But in point of fact, I was mocking you.

"I suggest you and the other cheap Marxist propagandists who blindly support Obama and his totally fabricated “life history” correct your outright lies before several members of my family institute a seriously expensive civil action against you."

That would be fascinating to watch how you try to establish a cause of action. But if you actually had the stuggazza to institute any action whatsoever, you wouldn't have found it necessary to disguise the identity of your alleged "nephew." So... I'm not particularly worried.

[Plummz]

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2463790/posts?page=147#147

As you can see, I already posted that image to the thread, way back.

My question was, Why is this group image not included in the Harvard Group images?

http://via.lib.harvard.edu/via/deliver/deepLinkResults?kw2=paul%20freund&kw1=harvard%20law%20school%20class&bool1=not&index2=Name&index1=Title&sort1=@sortDate

[dixiechick2000]

You are two reasons why I am here.

Fair dinkum...;o)

[Fred Nerks]

Fair Dinkum! Notice; no answer.

Zero supposedly attended Harvard for three years. There are over a hundred years of Harvard Group images on that link I provided. Out of all of them, only the three years zero attended appear to be missing.

Maybe I should write to Harvard Law and ask them, where are they?

[Plummz]

Because it’s not a class group photo, it’s an organization group photo. It’s not common in the US to have a class group photo beyond grade school. (Age 13.) In high schools and especially Universities, the only group photos in yearbooks will be for organizations such the basketball team, school paper, quiz bowl club, Law Review, etc etc...

E.g., The baton is a Harvard Law Review thing, not a law school thing.

[Fred Nerks]

http://via.lib.harvard.edu/via/deliver/deepLinkResults?kw2=paul%20freund&kw1=harvard%20law%20school%20class&bool1=not&index2=Name&index1=Title&sort1=@sortDate

HARVARD LAW SCHOOL GROUP IMAGES. FROM THE EARLY 1900’S.