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What to do when a pit bull attacks
Indianapolis Business Journal ^ | Norm Heikens

Posted on 03/24/2010 9:57:20 AM PDT by Chet 99

What to do when a pit bull attacks

March 24, 2010

News of pit bull attacks just keeps coming.

In March alone, an Indianapolis cop was bitten on a knee while looking for someone for questioning. Another officer shot and killed one of two of dogs that attacked a man while he carried out trash. The dog, by the way, had been at a Humane Society shelter and adopted out months earlier.

The stories are worse farther from Indianapolis. A girl’s jaw torn off in England. Three children mauled in California by a roaming pack of five. A woman’s arm nearly ripped away during a two-minute-long frenzy in Australia.

There were nearly 300 pit bull attacks in Indianapolis last year. Police spokesman Jeff Duhamell expects activity to pick up again as the weather warms and more people resume jogging, bicycling and other outdoor activity.

“They are an extremely vicious breed, and they always have been. They’ll come after you,” Duhamell says. “The more you pull way from them, the more they’ll lock down and start ripping skin and muscle.”

Pit bull owners say the bad rap comes from unrestrained animals or those trained to be mean. It doesn’t help that the breed is favored by drug dealers and other folks who don’t like attention, aficionados say. Treat the dogs responsibly and train them to be passive, and they’re fine.

(If pit bulls can be trained to be unaggressive, can labs be trained not to fetch? Just asking.)

Mayor Greg Ballard and the City-County Council have been reluctant to single out the breed for special regulation.

So what’s a person to do?

Duhamell says pit bulls running loose are the most dangerous, because they’re aggressively territorial. Stay away from them, and get inside a car or house if you feel threatened, he recommends. Or shout “No!” or “Down!” in the hope they’re educated. Other dogs set them off, so leave yours at home.

A Taser might work if you’re accurate enough to get the probes on the dog, he says. And Mace might help.

Duhamell muses about the potential of pepper spray designed to ward off grizzly bears. The spray, which hunters are required to carry in areas of Wyoming, squirts 30 feet from a small canister.

If all else fails, Web sites focused on dog attacks recommend curling up in a fetal position and protecting the head and face—areas where plastic surgery is harder to hide with clothing.

What are your thoughts about pit bulls? Are they maligned? Any ideas for preventing attacks you can share?


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To: Chet 99
sites focused on dog attacks recommend curling up in a fetal position and protecting the head and face—areas where plastic surgery is harder to hide with clothing.

Is this satire? Has to be.

51 posted on 03/24/2010 10:32:15 AM PDT by wbill
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To: mom4melody

It’s part of his PACK!

Watch what happens the first time the neighbor’s 6-year old tries to pet your cute little kitten.


52 posted on 03/24/2010 10:36:02 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: kevkrom
Keep firing until the clip is empty, of course.

Don't forget to reload just to be prepared - the first clip may not have been enough.

53 posted on 03/24/2010 10:40:39 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: KTM rider

Excellent approach to dealing with this dog.


54 posted on 03/24/2010 10:42:38 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
and yet another answer to "What to do when a pit bull attacks."


55 posted on 03/24/2010 10:43:16 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: from occupied ga

LOL - love it.


56 posted on 03/24/2010 10:45:20 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

My lab insists on fetching a duck whether the duck is amenable to such action or not.

However, he lacks the returning to owner and laying at feet gene.


57 posted on 03/24/2010 10:46:36 AM PDT by altura
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To: ColdWater

Don’t confuse these people with facts.


58 posted on 03/24/2010 10:48:06 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: Chet 99; Joya

ping


59 posted on 03/24/2010 10:48:08 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: from occupied ga

Why does catsup and mustard come out of the barrel of that gun?


60 posted on 03/24/2010 10:50:14 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: CodeToad

I love it.


61 posted on 03/24/2010 10:50:46 AM PDT by HeadOn (If you choose to depend solely on the government to care for you, you are a COWARD and a FOOL.)
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To: CodeToad

The dog weights about 60 pounds. Pick it up, snap its neck, find the owner and repeat.

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LOL.

And while you are bending over to pick the dog up, both hands are needed, what will said dog be doing with its jaws?

The post looks good in black and white, but your scenario leaves one color out of the equation, red. Likely yours.

We’ll send flowers.

I like the next poster’s solution: “BLAM”


62 posted on 03/24/2010 10:51:55 AM PDT by dmz
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To: GraceG

That is interesting.


63 posted on 03/24/2010 10:52:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: from occupied ga

64 posted on 03/24/2010 10:52:58 AM PDT by houeto (Get drinking water from your ditch - http://www.junglebucket.com/Jungle-Bucket-1.htm)
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To: Chet 99

What to do with an attacking dog, if you don’t have a gun:

Wheelbarrow: Grab the dog’s hind legs, and hang on TIGHT. Slowly back up, circling slightly. The dog will have to move his front legs sideways to keep from falling, and will most likely release whatever he has unless it’s light enough to drag. I imagine this would also work well to get the dog into a position where somebody else could safely shoot it without hitting the victim.

Breakstick: A breakstick is a smooth, flat piece of wood, about a foot long and two inches wide. Anything about that wide can be inserted behind the teeth, between the soft gums. Just twist and the dogs mouth opens. Works best in conjunction with method #2...

Lips: Understanding that if you let go you’re going to be bitten, place your hand over the bridge of the dog’s muzzle, fingers on one side and thumb on the other, as close to it’s eyes as possible. Push the lips on either side into the dogs mouth and under whatever teeth are not full, and squeeze as hard as you can. The dog will release.


65 posted on 03/24/2010 10:55:03 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: Chet 99

Toss kittens at it.


66 posted on 03/24/2010 10:56:29 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Chet 99

I believe I read that you should reach out an extremity that is your weaker, ie left forearm or leg, let them bite it, which they will not let go of. Then with the other strong hand thumb its left eye out. Of course if you have time (which you most likely won’t), try to wrap your shirt or sweater/coat around your arm before it gets near you to weaken the damage to your arm. Main thing is once it has bit down on you don’t pull away as you will make more damage, they will not let go unless you thumb their eye out or perhaps if you can (and are trained in it) reach your right open hand over and around its neck and choke it till it is dead. Trying to bite its ear off may make it let go but because your head will be so close to it then it may then bite your face.

Here is something I just found too which gives the idea to thumb and rip out under the neck, which is probably less effective as those dogs have a lot of muscular necks.

http://www.crime-safety-security.com/dog-attack-defense-article-bank.html


67 posted on 03/24/2010 10:56:47 AM PDT by LeaveAmericaNow
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To: Chet 99

I do not support the idea of going down into a fetal position on the ground, this to me would make your head the first place the dog goes for to bite, possibly including ripping your ears off and eyes out at the same time. If the dog is going to attack you, being in a fetal position is about the worst position to me, you have to be on the attack, not trust that the dog is going to leave you alone.


68 posted on 03/24/2010 10:56:47 AM PDT by LeaveAmericaNow
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To: mom4melody

A thumb in the eye works or if it’s a male find those balls and pull as hard as you can.


69 posted on 03/24/2010 10:56:47 AM PDT by kcrad
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To: Lazamataz
Why does catsup and mustard come out of the barrel of that gun?

to go with pit bull Thit Cho

70 posted on 03/24/2010 10:57:00 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: altura

LOL
“However, he lacks the returning to owner and laying at feet gene.”
That’s the training part.


71 posted on 03/24/2010 10:58:02 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: dmz

Actually, silly, I did just that to a rottie. She attacked out of nowhere. Dead dog.

Having a defeatist mindset is how most victims become victims of violent crimes and animal attacks. Like a woman about to be raped. She envisions herself being raped instead of the rapist laying dead on the ground.

A dog only has his teeth. You have two arms and opposable thumbs. Use them. You’re every bit as fast as any dog.


72 posted on 03/24/2010 11:00:03 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: RichInOC

“Toss kittens at it.”

lol. Man, you’re gunna get when the kitty committee arrives!


73 posted on 03/24/2010 11:01:17 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Lazamataz

if you’re out of mam tom or nouc mam for your thit cho I guess you could use catsup or mustard


74 posted on 03/24/2010 11:03:58 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Chet 99

If you only have a knife, blind them by slicing their eyes. Then cut their throat.


75 posted on 03/24/2010 11:04:39 AM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: CodeToad

:-D )))

Mice would work too.


76 posted on 03/24/2010 11:05:42 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: GraceG

On the beach about 17 years ago, I took off my flip flop and shoved it directly at an attacking dog’s mouth, intending to shove the flip flop down the dog’s throat. The owner got control of the dog at that point.

It’s all I had, and I knew my best bet was to get past the mouth and into the throat.


77 posted on 03/24/2010 11:06:20 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Chet 99
What are your thoughts about pit bulls? Are they maligned? Any ideas for preventing attacks you can share?

When is this going to stop!

http://www.mississippilink.com/news/article_0866fa30-3023-11df-b26b-001cc4c002e0.html

I think a 45ACP to the head is quite adequate for "mean" and free-roaming pit bulls. In the rural areas of this country, dog fighting is big business.

78 posted on 03/24/2010 11:07:58 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: 185JHP

Yep. I’m a country boy at heart. I am rarely without my lock blade. I just hope I can get to it in time.


79 posted on 03/24/2010 11:08:37 AM PDT by HeadOn (If you choose to depend solely on the government to care for you, you are a COWARD and a FOOL.)
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To: RichInOC

lol! Keep a pocket full of small animals in case of attack!


80 posted on 03/24/2010 11:23:51 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: A. Patriot
Click Here for Heartbreaking Pit Bull Attack Story
81 posted on 03/24/2010 11:32:14 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: kcrad

This is from an attack dog trained fellow;

The final lunge made by a charging attack dog is a momentary blind, airbourne and open jawed.
When a dog attacks you, standing firm one foot forward the other back. Raise your forward arm waist high and horizonal; offer it to the dog as a target. You are now a matador. Your other hand/arm is your sword. Keep your fingers straight and pointed.

Battle: As the lunging dog goes for you target arm >>> PLUNDGE YOUR SWORD HAD DOWN FIDO’s THROAT and KILL THE DOG by suffication/strangulation.

Note: You will survive despite inevitable injuries.


82 posted on 03/24/2010 11:56:57 AM PDT by Broker (Stranger in a very strange land.)
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To: TennTuxedo

The breed has a bad rap. I walk them on weekends at a nearby shelter and have spent decent time with them over the past year. They are misunderstood.

That said, I don’t put my small dogs with any big dogs, and I don’t even put my small dogs with any kids. Period. No kids left with dogs; that’s it. Kids do kid things and they should be able to.

The thing with pits is that they have been used over the years for fighting so it’s in them. They are extremely easy to train and people exploit that. They are the new shepherd mixes in shelters, though they are suitable for many people (singles, couples, and people with older children). Some disagree with me on this, but I do not find them suitable with kids. There are other breeds that are more aggressive but their bite is catastrophic.

All of that said, your best bet is to stand your ground and in a deep low voice yell “no!” And “get down.” Say it to mean it. Do not run or scream. It eggs them on.

They have a high capacity to be trained and even some ex Michael Vick dogs have become therapy dogs. With proper care and control, they are a great dog.

No dog ought to be left loose, and again, no dogs ought to be left with kids. No exceptions.

I know lots of folks like guns here and many use this place as an outlet to say stuff that wouldn’t fly elsewhere. Beware: authorities are pressing charges more for shooting (or even neglecting) dogs, and the animal protection folks will camp out at your house. You may be a hero to some but your life will turn upside down. Keep in mind the moniker that appears when you put up a post on FR: Loose lips sink ships.


83 posted on 03/24/2010 11:57:14 AM PDT by dellbabe68
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To: TennTuxedo

The breed gets a bad rap from sensationalism and fear and from killing and maiming people with no visible provocation. Other than that they are sweet natured puppydogs.


84 posted on 03/24/2010 12:05:39 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Chet 99

personal defense bump


85 posted on 03/24/2010 12:12:23 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Chet 99


There were nearly 300 pit bull attacks in Indianapolis last year.

Dumb/Criminals owners...and folks that don’t realize they should keep
their distance from some canines (i.e., give them a wide berth)?


86 posted on 03/24/2010 12:23:41 PM PDT by VOA
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To: CodeToad

Actually, silly, I did just that to a rottie. She attacked out of nowhere. Dead dog.

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Count me impressed. Were you bitten?

I like the BLAM approach better, though :-)


87 posted on 03/24/2010 1:27:00 PM PDT by dmz
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To: historyrepeatz
I got hate mail here last time I said this breed should be EXTERMINATED and I stand by it AGAIN.

I'd agree to that.

OR we can let the breed survive but in ANY attack by a pit bull the dog, and the entire family that owns it (every man woman and child in that household) gets executed. This actually solves two problems.

88 posted on 03/24/2010 1:27:42 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: from occupied ga
A neighbor ran into his house, got a .357 and shot the dog. At that point the owner went into a screeching frenzy attacking the neighbor screaming “Don’t hurt my dog.” So he shot her too. SHE was charged with assault. Convicted too.

(Wiping tears) (Sniffle) I just love happy endings.

89 posted on 03/24/2010 1:28:45 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: 70th Division
Buy THAT man a Bear! Sounds like a Marine I know

From what I could tell, it didn't sound like the guy needs a bear. Seems to have it covered himself. And bonus points for thinking outside the box and poise under pressure.

90 posted on 03/24/2010 2:13:05 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: beebuster2000
If you can... Stick your finger (or bigger) into it's anus. Apparently a dog will instantly let go.

No, no. That's not pit bulls, that's Barney Frank.

91 posted on 03/24/2010 2:15:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: CodeToad
A dog only has his teeth. You have two arms and opposable thumbs. Use them. You’re every bit as fast as any dog.

And hopefully an IQ several orders of magnitude higher than the animal. I pity the animal that gets in a fight with me. Now a pack of them would be a different matter, but still your best odd lie in that same mindset.

93 posted on 03/24/2010 2:24:14 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: beebuster2000

If you can... Stick your finger (or bigger) into it’s anus. Apparently a dog will instantly let go.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Of course, if it is from San Francisco, he will just smile and say ‘bring it on baby’....


94 posted on 03/24/2010 2:31:05 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 ) FIRE ALL INCUMBENTS)
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To: LongElegantLegs

uhmmm....I read all that

...you do it.


95 posted on 03/24/2010 2:33:00 PM PDT by advertising guy (Consumer Of Confiscated Liquers Czar)
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To: advertising guy

I’m prepared to, if it comes to that.

Shoving your arm down an animal’s throat sounds heroic, but these things work; you can test them out on your own dog if you want to; and if you live in an area with many dogs running loose, it’s good stuff to know.


96 posted on 03/24/2010 2:37:18 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ( I have nothing better to do than sit around all night watching a lunatic not turn into a werewolf.)
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To: Celerity

Ever since an American Staffordshire adopted me a few weeks ago I have noticed how often it is written in various sources that these are a bully breed, but considered a cousin to the pit bull. :) As you said, they are very sweet. With my Amstaff I have to worry more about her not paying attention while playing with one of her friends and knocking out my knee with her mass when she backs into me too fast. Otherwise, she has learned by testing (like a child would) that I am the alpha female. Over the weekend I posted a picture to my facebook and an acquaintance wrote, “Scary scary.” I told her my husband has more fear of fluffy cottonball dogs than either of us does of this Amstaff.


97 posted on 03/24/2010 2:40:59 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: mom4melody
We have a pit bull and a cat, who has made the dog bleed several times.

We have had to have our cats and dog out on shifts. The cats will hiss, scratch, and puff up and the dog will wag her tail and get way too excited. The dog will sometimes run to the room they are in,jump at the door, and yap at them (yes. this 40 pound dog with a little voice is weird). I found out the cats would stick their paws under the door to tease her.

98 posted on 03/24/2010 2:45:00 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: dmz

I was completely unharmed. I prefer the blam approach, too, but this mutt went from sitting and panting 10 feet away to thinking I’d make a good dinner.


99 posted on 03/24/2010 3:05:21 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: Still Thinking

“Now a pack of them would be a different matter”

Sure, we only have two arms and thumbs and need both for one dog. Of course, a 45 has many rounds.


100 posted on 03/24/2010 3:06:17 PM PDT by CodeToad
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