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Coast-to-coast webot predictions (04.01.10)
coast to coast AM ^ | 04.01.10

Posted on 04/02/2010 2:15:54 PM PDT by Perdogg

• No warfare between Israel and Iran, at least not until November.

• Six very large earthquakes are yet to come during the rest of 2010.

• A major tipping point will occur between November 8th – 11th, 2010, followed by a 2-3 month release period. This tipping point appears to be US-centric, and could be a dramatic world-changing event like 9-11 that will have rippling after-effects. The collapse of the dollar might occur in November.

• From July 8th, 2010 onward, civil unrest will take place, possibly driven by food prices skyrocketing, and the devaluation of the dollar.

• A second depression, triggered by mass layoffs, bankruptcies, and the popping of the "derivatives bubble," will see people moving out of cities.

• After March 2011, the revolution wave will settle down into a period of reformation.

• A "data gap" has been found between early 2012 running through May 2013. One explanation is that "our civilization gets knocked back to a pre-electronic state," such as brought about by devastating solar activity.

• A new benign form of capitalism will emerge during 2017-2020.

(Excerpt) Read more at coasttocoastam.com ...


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To: TruthConquers; autumnraine; Perdogg; Quix; TaraP
You were saying ...

Solar flare, EMP, don’t know why.

Well..., I can think of one possibility, that is in the Bible and that is happening soon, sometime in our own lifetimes here... it's the Rapture of the church, when Jesus comes back to take away the dead in Christ and any who are living, on this earth, at that time, too.

I would say that over half (to maybe even 75% or more) of the world's data routes through Internet hubs here in the United States. And also, I would say that the Rapture will have more effect on the United States and its infrastructure (including the Internet) than anywhere else in the world, as there appears to be a whole lot higher concentration of Christians here in this country (not enough for my tastes, but higher than anywhere else, it would appear). The infrastructure can only run so long by itself, before starting to seriously degrade, without experts to step in and do necessary repairs, fixes and upgrades.

And so, the disappearance of that many people who work in a variety of key areas will "wreak havoc" upon the whole world. I can imagine that "data" will drop to very low levels at that time, and take a while to build back up.

BUT, having said that, I'm not putting the web bot on the same level as what the Bible says about the Rapture. I can guarantee you that the Rapture will happen (just as much, and in the same way, that any Christian can guarantee you that the resurrection of Jesus happened). However, I can't say that a web bot is anything more than a hi-tech spiritualist, new-ager, seer project, with as much validity as someone examining cat entrails to see the future. LOL ...

51 posted on 04/03/2010 7:49:19 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Quix; little jeremiah
You were quoting ...

The future society will be a totally new civilization which will synthesize the experience of Socialism and Capitalism...."

Well, what is interesting for me to consider, is the type of government that exists on this earth and in the United States -- when Jesus, the Messiah of Israel takes control over this country and all other countries in the world.

I'm sure that the Constitution will be scrapped. While the Constitution is good, out of consideration of the fact that the founding fathers knew that sinful man would be in control of government and its powerful mechanisms -- that won't be true in the Millennial Kingdom that Jesus, the Messiah of Israel sets up.

He will have "absolute power" and the mere speaking of His words will be the "law of the land" and cause countries to do things the way He says.

Of course that type of government would never work now, because of sinful man -- but -- I'm wondering how many are "too attached" to the Constitution now -- to the point where they won't want to give it up, at that time of the Millennial Kingdom, which they will be forced to do.

And furthermore, I can see where there are great "transfers of wealth" from other peoples and groups -- over to Israel and its government and infrastructure over there, under the Millennial government of the Messiah. I see the Bible talks about that.

In addition, the justice system will not have the "protections" that are built into it right now, to protect the innocent against the powers of the government. There will be no such protections in that future Millennial reign of the Messiah of Israel. A person will be "guilty" just by the mere "say-so" of the one who rules.

And all that is very reasonable, because Jesus, is perfect in his character and cannot sin -- and (another big consideration) is that all those who are "taken up" (in the Rapture) to be with Christ, are given immortal and sinless bodies and they cannot sin any longer (it's like the "impeccability of Christ" -- something similar for all those who are the "Bride of Christ") and they will be ruling in conjunction with Christ over all parts of the globe, over all those mortals who are still alive and in their normal bodies (and in their sinful natures) from coming out of the Tribulation time, still alive.

So, I can see that we don't have the Constitution here in the United States any longer at that time, I can see great transfers of wealth from many countries around the world, including the United States, over to Israel at that time, and I can see that the justice system will be nothing like what we have in our Constitution now, but judges will be immposed from another country (i.e., Israel) upon this country and they will "judge the world" during that time, including the United States.

It will be a radically different period of time for many who survive the Tribulation and remember the "time before" and are having to live through the time of the Millennial Kingdom.

52 posted on 04/03/2010 8:03:18 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Quix
You were saying ...

Obviously just a parlor trick.

You gotta wonder if those evil and fallen angels are smarter than we may think... LOL ...

53 posted on 04/03/2010 8:11:30 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin


54 posted on 04/03/2010 8:21:35 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler; John Leland 1789; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; the_conscience; ...

I don’t think their explanations fit the reality.

I can CONCEIVE . . . it is conceivable to me . . .

that God has engineered a set of variables and realities which transcend time in some dimensions . . .

LANGUAGE is a fascinating thing . . .

CONSCIOUSNESS is a fascinating thing.

I don’t believe per se in occultist Jung’s

COLLECTIVE UNCONSCIOUS.

And, the Spirit-filled FREEPER who’s working on such projects for his advanced degree certainly concurs with me that ONE very viable explanation is that dark forces are influencing the vocabulary used.

It’s also conceivable that ALSO—angelic forces and Holy Spirit are ALSO influencing vocabularies used.

I see no reason to limit the phenomenon to satan’s work.

God has always had HIS folks warning people . . .

in the context of the Net, THOSE WARNINGS ALSO have their say and influence.

Personally, I believe that the looming events are soooooooooooo critical to life and God’s priorities on the near horizon,

I’d be surprised

IF GOD WAS NOT

using ALMOST every means to get the word out.

And, for a technological era . . . what better means than a technological means.

AND

The globalists—30 families of whom control 90% of the world’s media . . . are CERTAINLY influencing what’s talked about given their movies, editorials, selections and slants on news stories etc.

THEY ALSO JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE FOLKS PLANNING SO MANY OF THE EVENTS

WHO ALSO ‘JUST HAPPEN’ TO HAVE THE SKULLDUGGARY AND POWER AND MEANS TO PULL MOST OF IT OFF . . . clueless that God Almighty has plenty of surprises in store for them along the way.

As I understand the software, all such influences would have an impact.


55 posted on 04/03/2010 8:33:10 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Star Traveler

worthy points, imho.

Thx.


56 posted on 04/03/2010 8:34:08 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Star Traveler

If I want to know the “true story of life” — all I’ve got to do is look at God’s word, the inerrant and infallible Word of God, and find out all that I need to know for this life, and how to have eternal life, with the Messiah of Israel, after that.

@@@

PLENTY of TRUTH in that assertion.


57 posted on 04/03/2010 8:43:29 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
You were saying ...

I’d be surprised

IF GOD WAS NOT

using ALMOST every means to get the word out.

And, for a technological era . . . what better means than a technological means.

Well, the way I look at it ... it's not like God has to struggle to do this. I mean, when I read how God gets the Gospel out to all the nations, tribes, tongues and peoples of the world -- I know He has no problem doing it immediately -- if He really wants to.

Revelation Chapter 14

6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth--to every
nation, tribe, tongue, and people--

7 saying with a loud voice, "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the
hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and
earth, the sea and springs of water."

8 And another angel followed, saying, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen,
that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of
the wrath of her fornication."

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If
anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his
forehead or on his hand,

10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which
is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall
be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels
and in the presence of the Lamb.

God wanted to get three messages out, immediately -- to every last single person in the world, and He did it with a mere three angels. There was no TV, no telephones, no Internet, no newspapers used -- just three angels and God was done... :-)

I don't think it's so much about "getting the message out" -- as much as it's about people "showing which side they are on"... That's what is happening.

When God wants to get a message out immediately and make sure every person in the world knows it -- right then -- God already knows how to do that... :-)

BUT, I do know one particular message that God wants to have Christians get out, as that's something that Jesus told us before He left. He wants each one of us to get out the Salvation message to all. That's the one particular message that I know He wants us all to "get out"....

Remember, what's going on here, is that God wants evil to come out to the maximum possible. Yes... that's right. God wants this to happen -- so that He can deal out the judgment that He says is coming.

I find that many people want to do things that -- "if everyone 'knew' what was going on -- then they would work to stop it!" HOWEVER, God's not working to stop it, you see... :-)

I'm not personally concerned with stopping all this. I actually want it to "hurry up and get done" -- so I can get on with the Rapture. That doesn't mean I'm going to go out and encourage everyone to "get the mark of the Beast" ... LOL ... not at all.

The one thing I will work on "getting the message out" is simply the Gospel of Salvation... and then wish the other stuff would "hurry up and get done" so I can get on with the Millennial Kingdom here on earth -- which I'm pretty anxious to see... actually ... :-)

58 posted on 04/03/2010 9:04:30 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Well put.

Well put.

Thx.

There are times when He seems to want things stated emphatically with no doubt demonstrations accompanying the assertions.

Other times, He seems to . . . engineer sufficient ambiguity for an authentic level of choice.

imho.


59 posted on 04/03/2010 9:08:19 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Very interesting...makes me think about putting together a salvage op...all those bricks, and old timbers, probably hardwood floors here and there, hidden beneath deteriorating 70s or 80s era wall-to-wall carpeting. There is a treasure trove of recycleable/reclaimable building supplies to be had there!

AAC


60 posted on 04/03/2010 11:17:32 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Perdogg; Quix; All

Hi all. I would like to direct you to David Wilkerson’s site to read a short, but powerful Word fromt he Lord that he gave on March 23, 2009. His website is: www.worlchallenge.org. He’s located in New York City as any of you would know if you have followed him or read his books for the last 30 years. He’s probably my favorite modern day prophet. Anyway when you get to his site do as follows: 1) click on sermons at the top; 2) then go over to newsletters and click on newsletters; 3) select English; 4) scroll to the bottom of the page and click on page 3 of the newsletters; 5)go to the date 3.23.09; 6) then click on TXT for text and read. The Newsletter is entitled Living in the perfect Will of God but his first paragraph (which was originally entitled “An Urgent Message” doesn’t bear the title anymore but it is there to read. ENJOY!! Blessings. CO


61 posted on 04/03/2010 12:34:39 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: Canadian Outrage

THX THX

Thanks for your prayers.

Wrestling with getting enough fluids down and keeping them down.


62 posted on 04/03/2010 12:54:19 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Are you? Just sip whatever agrees with you and sip often. In Jesus name this will pass today!! CO


63 posted on 04/03/2010 12:55:52 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: presently no screen name

PING A LING friend!! Post #61 CO


64 posted on 04/03/2010 12:57:46 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: Canadian Outrage

thx thx


65 posted on 04/03/2010 1:01:06 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Well.

Training military personnel to communicate with 3rd parties from other dimensions???

WOW.

I read George Ure, and I did get a “PeopleEconomics” subscription as a gift. I don’t get the Alta or web bot reports. I know he is not a Christian and a basic lib who thinks he’s an independent, but I find some of his musings relevant just the same. Filter is on when I do read his stuff.

So, here is the WOW. He has been talking, here and there, about the earth going through a phase where there is some interconnectivity between worlds/dimensions. And that the PTB have had contact with them. He calls it WooWu stuff. And it is pretty out there. I have not known what to make of it, except what he thinks are aliens, I think might be devils.

This is the first I have heard of someone else showing the same result.

Fascinating!!


66 posted on 04/03/2010 3:07:56 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: TruthConquers; wolfcreek

INDEED.

Throw in the REMOTE VIEWER CHRISTIAN

I met at the Aztec Symposium a weekend or two ago . . . the plot thickens.

I think Guy Malone is right . . . the critters are fallen angels.

Regardless of WHAT they are or WHERE they’re from, they are in cahoots with satan setting up the global government.

That’s all I need to know about their values, priorities, negativity etc.

Guy’s website:

http://www.ANCIENTofDAYS.NET


67 posted on 04/03/2010 3:31:29 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Star Traveler

Most certainly, the web bot stuff is interesting, but does NOT replace or come close to being the final say in my book. I do find it interesting that God seems to be reaching out in other ways to unbelievers though this ‘web bot’ stuff.

Mr Ure has mentioned that there had been ‘hits’ on the web project of people disappearing, but it is a group here, a person there, and NOT close to what the rapture would be like. I had wondered later if Satan would try to ‘imitate’ God with ‘disappearances’ of his own.

I had not thought of the dropped data being the rapture. The number of Christians working in key places across a nation disappearing all at once, would be disrupting at the least.

It is a possibility.


68 posted on 04/03/2010 3:36:25 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Quix

Hey, thanks, that looks like a neat site!

It does creep me out that when these ‘guys/aliens/demons’ show their faces, the world is going to go gaga. Makes me sick, but that is what will happen. And they(the world) will believe whatever those demons say.

We do live in interesting times.

Maranatha!!


69 posted on 04/03/2010 3:42:54 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: TruthConquers; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ...

Hey, thanks, that looks like a neat site!

It does creep me out that when these ‘guys/aliens/demons’ show their faces, the world is going to go gaga. Makes me sick, but that is what will happen. And they(the world) will believe whatever those demons say.

We do live in interesting times.

Maranatha!!

############

INDEED.

And one of my concerns and crusades is to try and lessen the ranks of those Christians and FREEPERS who will be like

deer caught in headlights . . . catatonic because they couldn’t make a big enough paradigm shift fast enough to keep up with rapidly unfolding ‘realities’ and the least bit of abiding sanity.

At THAT POINT, “Oh Dear! Quix was right!”

will be of little use to them.

Ahhhhh wellllll, I can only do what I can do.

The Lord knows, I’ve done what I can do to avoid having their blood on my hands.


70 posted on 04/03/2010 3:55:36 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
The Lord knows, I’ve done what I can do to avoid having their blood on my hands.

You've been a good watchman...

71 posted on 04/03/2010 3:57:01 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

You humble me with your kind words.

THANKS TONS AND TONS AND TONS at this time.

Very precious.


72 posted on 04/03/2010 4:02:25 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TruthConquers

Just my two cents...

Jesus perfectly fulfilled the hundreds of OT prophecies, but not in the way that was expected. It was only in hindsight that the disciples and apostles saw the perfection of His coming.

I think that all of the end time prophecies will be perfectly fulfilled in ways that we can neither imagine or expect, but that will be obvious in hindsight. I am confident that my hindsight will be from the vantage point of heaven.

My faith is in my Lord, Jesus Christ, and in His promise of redemption and eternal life for those who love and follow Him.

IMHO


73 posted on 04/03/2010 4:28:29 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Star Traveler

Amazing, isn’t it?

If THIS doesn’t clearly show what SOCIALISM does to a once-vibrant city, then people truly ARE blind. Or, more likely, brainwashed.


74 posted on 04/03/2010 4:36:59 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: AmericanArchConservative

Brilliant idea.

I paved my greenhouse floor with recycled bricks, and there is a falling-down barn a few miles away that I’ve visited a time or two under cover of darkness... ;)


75 posted on 04/03/2010 4:43:31 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: TruthConquers; Quix
You were saying ...

It does creep me out that when these ‘guys/aliens/demons’ show their faces ...

Yeah, it's creepy all right. Kinda like the Genesis 6 fallen angels and what they were doing back then. They will be "out in the open" when the Tribulation time comes...






76 posted on 04/03/2010 4:46:41 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Crusher138

I mostly agree with you.

I just also believe that some of what is coming will be clear enough to believers, we will understand and share with unbelievers. After the rapture, for them, the unbelievers, it will be hindsight, and some will come to faith. How else will there be believers after the rapture, other than the preaching of the 144,000? As His coming gets closer, more will be clear to us. I do remember thinking that Christ was coming soon in the ‘80’s. Now, Jesus does look alot closer.

Watch and wait. We are on the watchtower, looking for our Lord!!


77 posted on 04/03/2010 4:47:50 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Star Traveler

Thinking more about the dropped data/rapture.

It could be the rapture is close to the time when the dropped data appears. And then that is when TPB will institute martial law and close down the web to keep the general population from knowing too much. ‘They’ seem intent on keeping the plebs from knowing too much.

Just a thought. Who knows? Only God, Praise Him!!


78 posted on 04/03/2010 4:57:12 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Star Traveler

INDEED.

I found out an interesting assertion only the last few months.

The Native American

“HOW” with the raised hand

was reportedly to see if the person being met had 6 fingers or not—and was therefore at least suspect if not dangerous.

Interesting times.


79 posted on 04/03/2010 5:03:09 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Yeah, I heard that too... which is why I included that picture... :-)


80 posted on 04/03/2010 5:10:27 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: TruthConquers

History is not on our side.

The Scribes and Pharisees - the religious leaders of the day - were SURE they knew what the Messiah was going to be like. They had their checklist - tribe of Judah, a descendant of David, born in Bethlehem, etc. - but they were looking for a political leader to overthrow the Roman occupation. They didn’t recognize Jesus because he didn’t fit their preconceptions of what the Messiah was supposed to be.

I pray that my sight be based on Divine revelation - not my human preconceptions of what I want Him to be.


81 posted on 04/03/2010 5:11:29 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Crusher138

But I remember hearing a sermon once where they did know that the Messiah had to come twice, the first time to die, about 200 years before Christ came. During the period between the testaments.

It just was that when they became under Roman rule and had lost the right of the state to give a death sentence, they despaired and called God a liar. And forgot what they did know.

Will the Gentile church do better? Apart from God’s grace, probably not.

But given that there are double the prophecies of His second coming than His first, who knows? I would not be surprised that God is going to make it VERY clear that His Son will come back. I expect this time to be a bit different. It will rhyme, but not exactly.


82 posted on 04/03/2010 5:21:46 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I bet a large percentage are in Detroit.


83 posted on 04/03/2010 6:10:46 PM PDT by esquirette (Rally around Old Glory. Put one on your desk, outside the house, and on the car. Fly a flag.)
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To: Star Traveler

It’s shocking, to me,

how much of our own USA history . . . has been trashed and literally . . . sorry to say . . . covered-up.


84 posted on 04/03/2010 6:13:53 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: esquirette

The pictures of the abandoned homes? Yep. They’re all in Detriot.


85 posted on 04/03/2010 6:16:20 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

‘Detroit’


86 posted on 04/03/2010 6:16:38 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Thanks for letting me know. I have used these photos with my classes to demonstrate the basic principle that every enterprise requires someone to maintain it. When it is no longer worth it, no one comes back.


87 posted on 04/03/2010 6:31:21 PM PDT by esquirette (Rally around Old Glory. Put one on your desk, outside the house, and on the car. Fly a flag.)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


88 posted on 04/03/2010 9:09:46 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Star Traveler

Do you have a URL where I can read more about these skeletons?


89 posted on 04/04/2010 4:18:44 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Star Traveler

ping for later


90 posted on 04/04/2010 7:13:43 PM PDT by Fighting Irish ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: LibertyRocks

I did a picture search in getting them so it’s just the URL of the picture itself. But I went back and tried getting a webpage from one of them and came up with the following ...

http://www.shweir.com/middle_east.htm

I would imagine if one wanted to do some research one could come up with a lot of information. I was only getting pictures.


91 posted on 04/05/2010 1:49:40 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Thanks, Star Traveler. One of my daughters was asking about it, and I didn’t know the background. I’ll do some hunting around, and I’m sure she will as well. Thanks again for the help! :)


92 posted on 04/05/2010 2:08:46 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks; Quix; TaraP; Jo Nuvark; left that other site; CondoleezzaProtege; Cvengr; Tigen; ...
You were saying ...

Thanks, Star Traveler. One of my daughters was asking about it, and I didn’t know the background. I’ll do some hunting around, and I’m sure she will as well. Thanks again for the help! :)

I was half-asleep when I read that and posted back. I hate to tell you that I sometime even check FRee Republic when I'm in bed... LOL ... [I can do it on the iPhone and post that way, too...]

So, I didn't really get too much information for you.

But, let me tell you what this is all about. These particular pictures are not the "main story" here. The main story is in Genesis Chapter 6, and also involves why the world-wide flood came about, that is told to us in Genesis.

If anyone is to go "researching" it actually should be on the "main story line" here and not so much the pictures.

So, I'm going to gather up some materials that speak to that issue and post them here.

Some people may think that we're dealing with very little information here... so "slim pickings" so to speak. But, we know a lot of things from the Bible from just a few verses, on different subjects. And what we learn from the Bible and some "key" to understanding -- can, very many times -- hinge on just one word and understanding that one word in the original language, as it was originally intended and as it was given to us.

Genesis Chapter 6

1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the
earth, and daughters were born to them,

2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were
beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

3 And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for
he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty
years."

4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward,
when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore
children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of
renown.

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil
continually.

6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was
grieved in His heart.

7 So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the
face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the
air, for I am sorry that I have made them."

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his
generations. Noah walked with God.

10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with
violence.

12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all
flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

13 And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me, for
the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will
destroy them with the earth.

In chapter 5, we just had a rundown of all the generations from Adam to Noah, so we could see his "genealogy"...

Verse 9 is sort of a wrap-up from the previous Chapter 5, when it says ...

This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

Noah was a just man (and that's "just" in the same way that we are "justified" in the Lord, today). AND.., in addition, Noah's "genealogy" was "perfect" -- or, in other words (and in the context of how it's to be understood) -- Noah's genealogy was "all human" and not "half-human and half-non-human".

In verses 1 and 2, we see it says ...

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

There's your context for understanding what was going on here, and it also leads one to the realization of why the world-wide flood was required, too.

We see in verse 4 ...

There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
That wording, "sons of God" always means angels in the Hebrew Old Testament. It's never used of anything else, except one -- and that's Adam. And you'll see why. The angels were all creations, directly, of God, and thus they were all "sons of God". Now, Adam was also, an original creation of God, so that made Adam a "son of God" -- which he is referred to, also. Outside of just the instance of Adam, only the angels are "sons of God" -- so that's how it's understood. In addition, if we go to the New Testament (different language, though), we've got the terms "sons of God" there, too. It's a completely different context here, though, and you'll understand why and how that's "perfect" too -- in its use in the New Testament.
Luke 20:34-36

34 And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and
are given in marriage.

35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the
resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;

36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are
sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
At the resurrection, we are "sons of God" (both men and women, of course). And how perfect is that, because we are "each one" -- "a new creation in Christ". We are directly made from the hand of God, at that point and are not of our father, here on earth, a "son of Adam"...

Note that for Jesus, the Messiah of Israel ...

But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation.
- Hebrews 9:11

He is not "of this creation" (as "Son of Man", he is a new creation of God). He is not part of that creation of all that was and is, from that "creation" that we see in the beginning of Genesis.

And..., we shall be like Him...

Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
- 1 John 3:2

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
- Galatians 6:15

We don't regard Jesus, the Messiah of Israel as someone "according to the flesh" (previously a "human being"), but as a "new creation of God" and "not of this creation". And likewise, the same of us, who are "in Christ".

Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
- 2 Corinthians 5:16-17

I did the "rundown" of this in the New Testament to show that it also fits into what the Old Testament says about "sons of God". And so, in the New Testament, we're told about those who are also to be like Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, a "new creation" (a direct creation of God), just like the angels and Adam, in the Old Testament -- and we all will be "like the angels" in that regard -- and also we will not be "of this creation" just like Jesus is not of this creation. That puts us, in a higher order and status, over the angels, as we've been told.

Mankind initially was lower than the angels ..

What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him? For You have made him a little lower than the angels, And You have crowned him with glory and honor.
- Psalm 8:4-5

But, then as a "new creation in Christ" we are of a higher order ...

Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels?
- 1 Corinthians 6:2-3a

All that to come back to the "sons of God" in Genesis 6, and those particular angels who took women on earth for wives and had children by them, and that these were the "hybrids"....

Genesis 6:11-13

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with
violence.

12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all
flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

13 And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me, for
the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will
destroy them with the earth.

We see the destruction of mankind (except for Noah and his family, whose genealogy has been traced from Adam to his time) is going to happen, and this is told in context of the angelic corruption of mankind with hybrids. And God says the following, which I think indicates something in particular....

And God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me ...

It appears to me that God is saying that He sees the end of mankind, as a result of this corruption by the angels, into the genealogy (and gene pool) of mankind. And thus, this would be a blow against God and His prophetic word in that a savior would come from mankind, to save human beings who are now under the judgment of God (a death sentence and separated from God).

God is not saying "I see this and I'm going to end all flesh because of this." No, He's saying "what He sees" and God sees that if He allows this to continue -- that He sees the end of all flesh coming before Him. He sees that as the result of this angelic corruption of the human race.

In this judgment of the world-wide flood, destroying all except for 8 people -- God has saved mankind, not that He was trying to destroy mankind. And in the process of saving mankind, God will still keep His promise of the ultimate salvation that He says will come (which we know now to be, the Messiah of Israel).

Satan, through those angels who sinned and had relations with the women of the human race, had hoped to corrupt the human race to the point where God's promise of the coming One who would be the salvation of mankind -- could not happen.

Satan, as always, is the opposer of God and Satan wants to thwart God at every turn. So, the worldwide flood, which seems so drastic to us -- and it certainly does seem drastic to kill off all of mankind except for 8 people -- was exactly what was necessary so that God "would not see the end of all flesh coming before Him..."

As always, God seeks to save mankind and Satan seeks to destroy mankind.

We can see here what is said in the New Testament about this ...

2 Peter 2:4-9

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to
hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for
judgment;

5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight
people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world
of the ungodly;

6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned
them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward
would live ungodly;

7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct
of the wicked

8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous
soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)--

9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and
to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,

More specifically ...

... God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly ...
Jude 1:6-7

6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their
own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the
judgment of the great day;

7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner
to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone
after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the
vengeance of eternal fire.

We can see that this sin was so severe, that the angels who committed it were consigned permanently to being imprisoned and not allowed free (as the other evil angels are allowed, presently).

You can see that these are the angels of Genesis 6, as they are compared to thos of Sodom and Gomorrah, and "going after strange flesh" -- of which the Bible calls it something of a "similar manner" to those angels of Genesis 6.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day ...

AND SO..., this is the backdrop to what I'll post here, in the next few posts, from others who have written articles on it. And it's the backdrop to those pictures that were presented.

The pictures aren't the "real story" -- the real story is Genesis 6, the angels who left their abode and cohabited with women, and that it required a worldwide flood to prevent the total and complete destruction of the human race, as a result of that.


And... for you pingees... here's something of interest (no other reason than that to ping...), in regards to the world-wide flood of Genesis and the real and fundamental reason for it.

When initially considering the world-wide flood, in my early years, it always seemed to be a bit of "overkill" -- especially when we've seen the violence of mankind since then and the evil that is currently in the world. Sodom and Gomorrah came after that, but they were handled by wiping them out totally, in their own locale.

I had always thought (many years earlier) that there was "something missing" here in the understanding of it, from what I had generally heard from others. Well..., this Genesis 6 understanding from the plain and clear language of the text is that missing ingredient, if you "grab a hold of it".

When that is considered and when that is seen as to why God said that He could see the "end of all flesh" coming -- you then know why the world-wide flood had to happen, in order for God to save mankind. It was a blessing from God, in that His judgment upon the evil that had been perpetrated "against" mankind was wiped off the face of this earth, to allow mankind to live to that future time when the Messiah of Israel would come for the Salvation that God had promised from the beginning.

93 posted on 04/05/2010 11:18:56 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; annieokie; aragorn; auggy; ...

EXCELLENT POST, INDEED.

Why, Dear ST,

are folks—FREEPERS—Conservative Christian FREEPERS!!!!

STILL

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO QUICK AND STUBBORN

about labeling such “nutty?”

“fringe”

“tin foil hat”

????????????????????????????????

It’s almost as though they don’t believe The Bible even

or else try and read it with their heads in the sand????

I don’t think I understand that phenomenon near as well as I’d like.

It’s still mind bogglingly mystifying to me how such normally bright people could be so willfully blind.

Though I’ve clearly been willfully blind over some things in my past years as well. At some point, I woke up!

Sigh.


94 posted on 04/05/2010 11:35:47 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Perdogg; John Leland 1789; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; the_conscience; ...

PING TO SOME OTHERS, TOO

EXCELLENT POST, INDEED.

Why, Dear ST,

are folks—FREEPERS—Conservative Christian FREEPERS!!!!

STILL

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO QUICK AND STUBBORN

about labeling such “nutty?”

“fringe”

“tin foil hat”

????????????????????????????????

It’s almost as though they don’t believe The Bible even

or else try and read it with their heads in the sand????

I don’t think I understand that phenomenon near as well as I’d like.

It’s still mind bogglingly mystifying to me how such normally bright people could be so willfully blind.

Though I’ve clearly been willfully blind over some things in my past years as well. At some point, I woke up!

Sigh.


95 posted on 04/05/2010 11:37:10 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Star Traveler

You know, your post makes me think of when I read the “Lost Books of the Bible” and they were speaking of Lillith.

According to legend (or the Bible, depends on if you accept part of these works as the Bible-some do, some don’t- I personally don’t think King James’ priests were the end all be all of deciding what is valid or not, but whatever) Adam was created along side his first counterpart, Lillith. She was created just as he was created, whole and complete in her own right, and then she rebelled against Adam’s attempted dominion over her. She left the Garden of Eden to consort with “others” it said and I have always wondered if the “others” are as you state.

Then of course Adam became lonely and so God said for him to have a mate, he would have to sacrifice and there’s where the rib came in.

Anyway, it kind of falls in line with what you are saying.


96 posted on 04/05/2010 11:38:22 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Star Traveler

Well, now, that makes much more sense!
They left THAT part OUT in Sunday School! LOL!

Of course, in my later years, to my shock, I found this out, in an In-Depth Study of Genesis.
The Hebrew Word for "Giants" is "Nephelim",
and has been a source of controversy for centuries.

The idea of a demon/human hybrid is just too NASTY!

97 posted on 04/05/2010 11:42:23 AM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: Quix

Mischievous Angels or Sethites?

by Chuck Missler

Why did God send the judgment of the Flood in the days of Noah? Far more than simply a historical issue, the unique events leading to the Flood are a prerequisite to understanding the prophetic implications of our Lord's predictions regarding His Second Coming.1

The strange events recorded in Genesis 6 were understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, as well as the Septuagint translators, as referring to fallen angels procreating weird hybrid offspring with human women-known as the "Nephilim." So it was also understood by the early church fathers. These bizarre events are also echoed in the legends and myths of every ancient culture upon the earth: the ancient Greeks, the Egyptians, the Hindus, the South Sea Islanders, the American Indians, and virtually all the others.

However, many students of the Bible have been taught that this passage in Genesis 6 actually refers to a failure to keep the "faithful" lines of Seth separate from the "worldly" line of Cain. The idea has been advanced that after Cain killed Abel, the line of Seth remained separate and faithful, but the line of Cain turned ungodly and rebellious. The "Sons of God" are deemed to refer to leadership in the line of Seth; the "daughters of men" is deemed restricted to the line of Cain. The resulting marriages ostensibly blurred an inferred separation between them. (Why the resulting offspring are called the "Nephilim" remains without any clear explanation.)

Since Jesus prophesied, "As the days of Noah were, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be,"2 it becomes essential to understand what these days included.

Origin of the Sethite View

It was in the 5th century a.d. that the "angel" interpretation of Genesis 6 was increasingly viewed as an embarrassment when attacked by critics. (Furthermore, the worship of angels had begun within the church. Also, celibacy had also become an institution of the church. The "angel" view of Genesis 6 was feared as impacting these views.)

Celsus and Julian the Apostate used the traditional "angel" belief to attack Christianity. Julius Africanus resorted to the Sethite interpretation as a more comfortable ground. Cyril of Alexandria also repudiated the orthodox "angel" position with the "line of Seth" interpretation. Augustine also embraced the Sethite theory and thus it prevailed into the Middle Ages. It is still widely taught today among many churches who find the literal "angel" view a bit disturbing. There are many outstanding Bible teachers who still defend this view.

Problems with the Sethite View

Beyond obscuring a full understanding of the events in the early chapters of Genesis, this view also clouds any opportunity to apprehend the prophetic implications of the Scriptural allusions to the "Days of Noah."3 Some of the many problems with the "Sethite View" include the following:

1. The Text Itself

Substantial liberties must be taken with the literal text to propose the "Sethite" view. (In data analysis, it is often said that "if you torture the data severely enough it will confess to anything.")

The term translated "the Sons of God" is, in the Hebrew, B'nai HaElohim, "Sons of Elohim," which is a term consistently used in the Old Testament for angels,4 and it is never used of believers in the Old Testament. It was so understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, by the Septuagint translators in the 3rd century before Christ, and by the early church fathers. Attempts to apply this term to "godly leadership" is without Scriptural foundation.5

The "Sons of Seth and daughters of Cain" interpretation strains and obscures the intended grammatical antithesis between the Sons of God and the daughters of Adam. Attempting to impute any other view to the text flies in the face of the earlier centuries of understanding of the Hebrew text among both rabbinical and early church scholarship. The lexicographical antithesis clearly intends to establish a contrast between the "angels" and the women of the Earth.

If the text was intended to contrast the "sons of Seth and the daughters of Cain," why didn't it say so? Seth was not God, and Cain was not Adam. (Why not the "sons of Cain" and the "daughters of Seth?" There is no basis for restricting the text to either subset of Adam's descendants. Further, there exists no mention of daughters of Elohim.)

And how does the "Sethite" interpretation contribute to the ostensible cause for the Flood, which is the primary thrust of the text? The entire view is contrived on a series of assumptions without Scriptural support.

The Biblical term "Sons of Elohim" (that is, of the Creator Himself), is confined to the direct creation by the divine hand and not to those born to those of their own order.6 In Luke's genealogy of Jesus, only Adam is called a "son of God."7 The entire Biblical drama deals with the tragedy that humankind is a fallen race, with Adam's initial immortality forfeited. Christ uniquely gives them that receive Him the power to become the sons of God.8 Being born again of the Spirit of God, as an entirely new creation,9 at their resurrection they alone will be clothed with a building of God10 and in every respect equal to the angels.11 The very term oiketerion, alluding to the heavenly body with which the believer longs to be clothed, is the precise term used for the heavenly bodies from which the fallen angels had disrobed.12

The attempt to apply the term "Sons of Elohim" in a broader sense has no textual basis and obscures the precision of its denotative usage. This proves to be an assumption which is antagonistic to the uniform Biblical usage of the term.

2. The Daughters of Cain

The "Daughters of Adam" also does not denote a restriction to the descendants of Cain, but rather the whole human race is clearly intended. These daughters were the daughters born to the men with which this very sentence opens:

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Genesis 6:1,2

It is clear from the text that these daughters were not limited a particular family or subset, but were, indeed, from (all) the Benoth Adam, "the daughters of Adam." There is no apparent exclusion of the daughters of Seth. Or were they so without charms in contrast with the daughters of Cain? All of Adam's female descendants seem to have been involved. (And what about the "sons of Adam?" Where do they, using this contrived dichotomy, fit in?)

Furthermore, the line of Cain was not necessarily known for its ungodliness. From a study of the naming of Cain's children, many of which included the name of God,13 it is not clear that they were all necessarily unfaithful.

3. The Inferred Lines of Separation

The concept of separate "lines" itself is suspect and contrary to Scripture.14 National and racial distinctions were plainly the result of the subsequent intervention of God in Genesis 11, five chapters later. There is no intimation that the lines of Seth and Cain kept themselves separate nor were even instructed to. The injunction to remain separate was given much later.15 Genesis 6:12 confirms that all flesh had corrupted His way upon the earth.

4. The Inferred Godliness of Seth

There is no evidence, stated or implied, that the line of Seth was godly. Only one person was translated from the judgment to come (Enoch) and only eight were given the protection of the ark. No one beyond Noah's immediate family was accounted worthy to be saved. In fact, the text implies that these were distinct from all others. (There is no evidence that the wives of Noah's sons were from the line of Seth.) Even so, Gaebelein observes, "The designation 'Sons of God' is never applied in the Old Testament to believers," whose sonship is "distinctly a New Testament revelation."16

The "Sons of Elohim" saw the daughters of men that they were fair and took them wives of all that they chose. It appears that the women had little say in the matter. The domineering implication hardly suggests a godly approach to the union. Even the mention that they saw that they were attractive seems out of place if only normal biology was involved. (And were the daughters of Seth so unattractive?)

It should also be pointed out that the son of Seth himself was Enosh, and there is textual evidence that, rather than a reputation for piety, he seems to have initiated the profaning of the name of God.17

If the lines of Seth were so faithful, why did they perish in the flood?

5. The Unnatural Offspring

The most fatal flaw in the specious "Sethite" view is the emergence of the Nephilim as a result of the unions. (Bending the translation to "giants" does not resolve the difficulties.) It is the offspring of these peculiar unions in Genesis 6:4 which seems to be cited as a primary cause for the Flood.

Procreation by parents of differing religious views do not produce unnatural offspring. Believers marrying unbelievers may produce "monsters," but hardly superhuman, or unnatural, children! It was this unnatural procreation and the resulting abnormal creatures that were designated as a principal reason for the judgment of the Flood.

The very absence of any such adulteration of the human genealogy in Noah's case is also documented in Genesis 6:9: Noah's family tree was distinctively unblemished. The term used, tamiym, is used for physical blemishes.18

Why were the offspring uniquely designated "mighty" and "men of reknown?" This description characterizing the children is not accounted for if the fathers were merely men, even if godly.

A further difficulty seems to be that the offspring were only men; no "women of reknown" are mentioned. (Was there a chromosome deficiency among the Sethites? Were there only "Y" chromosomes available in this line?)19

6. New Testament Confirmations

"In the mouths of two or three witnesses every word shall be established."20 In Biblical matters, it is essential to always compare Scripture with Scripture. The New Testament confirmations in Jude and 2 Peter are impossible to ignore.21

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5

Peter's comments even establishes the time of the fall of these angels to the days of the Flood of Noah.

Even Peter's vocabulary is provocative. Peter uses the term Tartarus, here translated "hell." This is the only place that this Greek term appears in the Bible. Tartarus is a Greek term for "dark abode of woe"; "the pit of darkness in the unseen world." As used in Homer's Iliad, it is "...as far beneath hades as the earth is below heaven`."22 In Greek mythology, some of the demigods, Chronos and the rebel Titans, were said to have rebelled against their father, Uranus, and after a prolonged contest they were defeated by Zeus and were condemned into Tartarus.

The Epistle of Jude23 also alludes to the strange episodes when these "alien" creatures intruded themselves into the human reproductive process:

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 6,7

The allusions to "going after strange flesh," keeping "not their first estate," having "left their own habitation," and "giving themselves over to fornication," seem to clearly fit the alien intrusions of Genesis 6. (The term for habitation, oivkhth,rion, refers to their heavenly bodies from which they had disrobed.24)

These allusions from the New Testament would seem to be fatal to the "Sethite" alternative in interpreting Genesis 6. If the intercourse between the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" were merely marriage between Sethites and Cainites, it seems impossible to explain these passages, and the reason why some fallen angels are imprisoned and others are free to roam the heavenlies.

7. Post-Flood Implications

The strange offspring also continued after the flood: "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days, and also after that..."25 The "Sethite" view fails to meaningfully address the prevailing conditions "also after that." It offers no insight into the presence of the subsequent "giants" in the land of Canaan.

One of the disturbing aspects of the Old Testament record was God's instructions, upon entering the land of Canaan, to wipe out every man, woman, and child of certain tribes inhabiting the land. This is difficult to justify without the insight of a "gene pool problem" from the remaining Nephilim, Rephaim, et al., which seems to illuminate the difficulty.

8. Prophetic Implications

Another reason that an understanding of Genesis 6 is so essential is that it also is a prerequisite to understanding (and anticipating) Satan's devices26 and, in particular, the specific delusions to come upon the whole earth as a major feature of end-time prophecy.27 We will take up these topics in Part 2, "The Return Of The Nephilim.")

In Summary

If one takes an integrated view of the Scripture, then everything in it should "tie together." It is the author's view that the "Angel View," however disturbing, is the clear, direct presentation of the Biblical text, corroborated by multiple New Testament references and was so understood by both early Jewish and Christian scholarship; the "Sethite View" is a contrivance of convenience from a network of unjustified assumptions antagonistic to the remainder of the Biblical record.

It should also be pointed out that most conservative Bible scholars accept the "angel" view.28 Among those supporting the "angel" view are: G. H. Pember, M. R. DeHaan, C. H. McIntosh, F. Delitzsch, A. C. Gaebelein, A. W. Pink, Donald Grey Barnhouse, Henry Morris, Merril F. Unger, Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Hal Lindsey, and Chuck Smith, being among the best known.

For those who take the Bible seriously, the arguments supporting the "Angel View" appear compelling. For those who indulge in a willingness to take liberties with the straightforward presentation of the text, no defense can prove final. (And greater dangers than the implications attending these issues await them!)

For further exploration of this critical topic, see the following:


Endnotes

  1. Matthew 24:37.
  2. Matthew 24:37.
  3. Matthew 24:37; Luke 17:26, as well as Old Testament allusions such as Daniel 2:43, et al.
  4. Cf. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7 (where they are in existence before the creation of the earth). Jesus also implies the same term in Luke 20:36.
  5. A footnote in an edition of the famed Scofield Bible, in suggesting that "sons of Elohim" does not always denote angelic beings, points to one ostensible exception (Isaiah 43:6) but the term in question is not there used! God simply refers to Israel as "my sons" and "my daughters." Indeed, all of Adam's race are termed God's "offspring" in Acts 17:28 (although Paul is here quoting a Greek poet).
  6. The sons of Elohim are even contrasted with the sons of Adam in Psalm 82:1, 6 and warned that if they go on with the evil identified in verse 2, they would die like Adam (man). When our Lord quoted this verse (John 10:34) He made no mention of what order of beings God addressed in this Psalm but that the Word of God was inviolate whether the beings in question were angels or men.
  7. Luke 3:38.
  8. John 1:11, 12.
  9. 2 Corinthians 5:17.
  10. 2 Corinthians 5:1-4.
  11. Luke 20:36.
  12. This term appears only twice in the Bible: 2 Corinthians 5:2 and Jude 1:6.
  13. Genesis 4:18.
  14. Genesis 11:6.
  15. This instruction was given to the descendants of Isaac and Jacob. Even the presumed descendants of Ishmael cannot demonstrate their linkage since no separation was maintained.
  16. A.C. Gaebelein, The Annotated Bible (Penteteuch), p. 29.
  17. Gen 4:26 is widely regarded as a mistranslation: "Then began men to profane the name of the Lord." So agrees the venerated Targum of Onkelos; the Targum of Jonathan Ben Uzziel; also the esteemed rabbinical sources such as Kimchi, Rashi, et al. Also, Jerome. Also, the famed Maimonides, Commentary on the Mishnah, 1168 a.d.
  18. Exodus 12:5, 29; Leviticus 1:3, 10; 3:1, 6; 4:3, 23; 5:15, 18, 25; 22:19, 21; 23:12; Numbers 6:14; et al. Over 60 references, usually referring to the freedom from physical blemishes of offerings.
  19. Each human gamete has 23 pairs of chromosomes: the male has both "Y" (shorter) and "X" (longer) chromosomes; the female, only "X" chromosomes. The sex of a fertilized egg is determined by the sperm fertilizing the egg: "X+Y" for a male child; "X+X" for a female. Thus, the male supplies thesex-determining chromosome.
  20. Deut. 19:15; Matthew 18:16; 26:60; 2 Corinthians 13:1; et al.
  21. Jude 6, 7; 2 Peter 2:4-5.
  22. Homer, Iliad, viii 16.
  23. Jude is commonly recognized as one of the Lord's brothers. (Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3; Gal 1:9; Jude 1:1.)
  24. The only other use in the New Testament is 2 Corinthians 5:2, alluding to the heavenly body which the believer longs to be clothed.
  25. Genesis 6:4.
  26. 2 Corinthians 2:11.
  27. Luke 21:26; 2 Thess 2:9, 11; et al.
  28. The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., Vol V, p.2835-2836.

98 posted on 04/05/2010 11:42:45 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: left that other site
You were saying ...

The idea of a demon/human hybrid is just too NASTY!

You got that right... it's repellent, it's abhorrent, it's mind-boggling and it's too weird and strange -- which is why some in the church have gone through some twisting of the text and "contortions" to make it say something else, other than what it does say.

And that's also why these are the angels who are held in prison permanently, never to be let out again.

99 posted on 04/05/2010 11:46:23 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Will have to check that out when I get home.

Am at the univ. and pottery . . . Thanks.


100 posted on 04/05/2010 11:47:04 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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