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'Noah's Ark' discovery on Turkish mountain
AFP ^ | April 27, 2010

Posted on 04/26/2010 9:01:21 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers said Monday they believe they may have found Noah's Ark -- 4000m up a mountain in Turkey.

The team say they recovered wooden specimens from a structure on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey that carbon dating proved was 4800 years old, around the same time the ark is said to have been afloat.

"It's not 100 percent that it is Noah's Ark but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it," Yeung Wing-cheung, a Hong Kong documentary filmmaker and member of the 15-strong team from Noah's Ark Ministries International told AFP.

The structure had several compartments, some with wooden beams, which were believed to house animals, he said.

The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds that one had never been found above 3500 metres in the vicinity, Yeung said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.ninemsn.com.au ...


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To: Hoosier-Daddy
What would a tsunami of that size do to the Ark, I wonder. Noah would have made a fortune selling souvenir toothpicks of the Ark, which is about all that would be left after such a tidal wave.

I'm just throwing things up on the wall to see if anything sticks. Great fun, this time of night.

The ark wouldn't necessarily run into Mt. Ararat. It could have been steered there as the water subsided, and been beached by Noah.

Just a thought.

51 posted on 04/26/2010 10:17:21 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

You haven’t seen it since because God promised not to do it again. The sign of that promise is the rainbow.


52 posted on 04/26/2010 10:17:33 PM PDT by Persevero (If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

The Bible does mention the fountains of the deep.

Also, the water cycle began at that time, according to Scripture. So presumably much of the water is vapor in the air.

Also perhaps the poles, frozen.


53 posted on 04/26/2010 10:19:27 PM PDT by Persevero (If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?)
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To: Fiji Hill

One of my kids favorite songs on St. Patrick’s Day.


54 posted on 04/26/2010 10:19:37 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

Mt. Everest may not have been there at the time of the flood you know.


55 posted on 04/26/2010 10:21:04 PM PDT by Persevero (If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Noah sent out several doves in calm seas searching for land, did he not?

Yes, I believe the narrative says exactly that.

If the ark had been hurled by a gargantuan tsunami, Noah may have found the top of Mt. Ararat as the water subsided, and beached it there.

56 posted on 04/26/2010 10:21:20 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

The last bird he sent out was a dove, and it returned to him with an olive branch in its beak. Still a symbol of peace in our culture.

The last time he let the dove out, it did not return.


57 posted on 04/26/2010 10:22:02 PM PDT by Persevero (If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes?)
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To: Windflier

Geeeez , ok you can have your ark.


58 posted on 04/26/2010 10:28:19 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Windflier

I actually believe something exceptional happened. 12,000 feet up on Mt. Ararat? That is a lot of water.


59 posted on 04/26/2010 10:28:58 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: bunkerhill7

A more likely explanation of the multiple accounts is that they are all based on a single shared memory transmitted into the various family lines originating with Noah and his gang of eight. Please recall that in the Biblical account all of Noah’s neighbors had him sized for a tin foil hat. No copycat syndrome there.


60 posted on 04/26/2010 10:29:36 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Sorry but reading Genesis Chapts 6-8 couldn`t find any reference to 'Noah’s neighbors"- Did I miss it or was this in a movie?
61 posted on 04/26/2010 10:40:54 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: Free ThinkerNY

God: “Noah ... This is the Lord ...”

Noah: “Riiiiiiiight !!!”


62 posted on 04/26/2010 10:59:29 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

Thats assuming that the Mountains were at the same height during the flood. I tend to believe that the continents broke apart during the flood and the mountains raised up in the aftermath of the flood which would probably have included massive volcanic and tectonic activity.


63 posted on 04/26/2010 11:03:31 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: dschapin
Thats assuming that the Mountains were at the same height during the flood. I tend to believe that the continents broke apart during the flood and the mountains raised up in the aftermath of the flood which would probably have included massive volcanic and tectonic activity.

I'm wondering if a glacial dam may have burst ...

Saw a show on PBS that stated there was a MASSIVE pre-historic lake dammed up with a glacial wall. Thousands of trillions of gallons ...

When it broke, it raced to the West Coast [forming the Columbia River] and into the Southweat, where it carved out Monument Valley ...

Same thing in Europe ???

64 posted on 04/26/2010 11:10:01 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Noah sent out a Raven first, which never did come back, then sent out the same dove once a week for a few weeks until it didn’t come back, an indicator that livable habitats were beginning to reemerge.

The ark had already come to rest somewhere high on Ararat at a time when other mountaintops were still not visible. The sea was, as you say, apparently calm, and it took several weeks for the other mountaintops to become visible, so apparently the mechanism for depositing all that water could not have been as transitory as tsunamis or tidal behavior, so I must retract my earlier statement. The water that was there must have been relatively uniform in global distribution.

The foregoing does not, however, eliminate the possibility that exceptional tectonic relationships might have displaced vast quantities of both surface and subterranean water, and that is closer to how the Biblical text describes it than my brief excursion into “big wave” theory. My apologies.


65 posted on 04/26/2010 11:18:13 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Windflier

I don’t think the sea level would raise much if the ice melted...but it would spread out....Drop some ice cubes in a glass of water and when they melt, the water is at almost the same level as when you put them in the water..(I think)


66 posted on 04/26/2010 11:19:07 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: bunkerhill7

Well, we’re not talking modern subdivisions, to be sure. But Noah had to have neighbors. Otherwise where did his son’s wives come from? Adds a whole new flavor to “no man is an island.”


67 posted on 04/26/2010 11:29:11 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: goat granny

Correct for ice already in the water (north pole, south pole margins). Land bound ice would flow into the oceans and raise the levels. Obviously not as high as Mount Everest all the way around.

I figure this supernatural event was, well, supernatural. The videos on that link are interesting and intriguing. Although they could also be from some remote warehouse in China I suppose.

And just like with the shroud, it probably won’t sway too many folks in what they already believe.


68 posted on 04/26/2010 11:32:05 PM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: Springfield Reformer

clones


69 posted on 04/26/2010 11:33:51 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: bunkerhill7

But yes, you’re right, the tin foil hat business is not in Genesis. It’s a reasonable inference based on New Testament texts (Matt 24:38, 2Peter 2:5, etc.) saying that everyone but Noah acted as if life would go on as normal. Why would they do that if they believed Noah? And we know they did get an earful from Noah, because he is accounted as a preacher of righteousness. If his preaching followed the pattern of other prophets, he surely preached of God’s coming judgment, and that must be the important part they didn’t believe. An extra-Biblical Jewish tradition even recounts the words by which he exhorted the unbelievers:

“be ye turned from your evil ways and works, lest the waters of the flood come upon you, and cut off all the seed of the children of men.”
~Pirke Eliezer


70 posted on 04/26/2010 11:43:53 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: goat granny
Drop some ice cubes in a glass of water and when they melt, the water is at almost the same level as when you put them in the water.

That only works for ice that's already in the water, such as icebergs.

We've got millions of square miles of ice piled up on land surfaces, though. If that were all to melt, it would definitely raise sea levels, because it would add to the amount of water in the oceans. But, how much it would raise it, I don't know.

71 posted on 04/26/2010 11:44:35 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: bunkerhill7

:0


72 posted on 04/26/2010 11:45:07 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Grim

Hiking up to 12,000 feet for Chopsticks? I don’t think so.


73 posted on 04/26/2010 11:55:12 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Hitler used a TelePrompter, we would all be speaking German...)
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To: Windflier

not only millions of acres of ice, but also underground aquifer freshwater, and, of course, given that God is God, any or all of the water of other planets if He chose to use it.


74 posted on 04/27/2010 12:27:07 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: Free ThinkerNY; Quix

Thoght this might interest you Quix.

bump


75 posted on 04/27/2010 12:32:13 AM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: 21twelve; Windflier
Tis a mind problem for me...What ice doesn't sit on water? It takes water or moisture to make ice...

The glaciers in Alaska lead to water and are always calving. I don't think that raises the water levels as the towns are all along the water way. I have watched the calving and it goes on continually. been on two cruises but there are no floods of the towns...

Some of the breaking off is as big as a house or bus and you can hear the glacier booming all day...(Side note) the natives call it white thunder and it sounds like thunder as they crack and then fall... Of course if it all melted at once there would be floods until the water reaches its level but the waterways all lead to the ocean. When dealing with a body of water as big as the Pacific Ocean, is it possible to actually raise the level of the Ocean more than a few inches...

76 posted on 04/27/2010 12:36:52 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: zot; melsec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EPsuOEH1fY


77 posted on 04/27/2010 12:42:47 AM PDT by happygrl (Continuing to predict that 0bama will resign)
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To: goat granny
What ice doesn't sit on water?

Nearly all of the icecap at the south pole sits on land, and it is miles thick. A lot of ice (but not all) at the north pole also sits on land, and that is very thick, as well.

If it were all to melt into the oceans at once, it would have an effect on sea levels, but by how much is anybody's guess.

The reason those towns near the glacier calving don't become swamped, is because as big as those chunks of ice are, they're infinitesimally small, compared to the volume of the ocean water they're falling into. The amount they raise the sea level isn't even measurable.

78 posted on 04/27/2010 12:48:33 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Captain Beyond

THANKS THANKS.

Yeah.

The Chinese are great on publicity for their doings. Should be very interesting, indeed.


79 posted on 04/27/2010 12:49:04 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: goat granny

Here’s what I found on a search from one of the first sites that came up. Seems to sound about right from other things I recall:

The main ice covered landmass is Antarctica at the South Pole, with about 90 percent of the world’s ice (and 70 percent of its fresh water). Antarctica is covered with ice an average of 2,133 meters (7,000 feet) thick. If all of the Antarctic ice melted, sea levels around the world would rise about 61 meters (200 feet). But the average temperature in Antarctica is -37°C, so the ice there is in no danger of melting. In fact in most parts of the continent it never gets above freezing.

At the other end of the world, the North Pole, the ice is not nearly as thick as at the South Pole. The ice floats on the Arctic Ocean. If it melted sea levels would not be affecte­d.

There is a significant amount of ice covering Greenland, which would add another 7 meters (20 feet) to the oceans if it melted. Because Greenland is closer to the equator than Antarctica, the temperatures there are higher, so the ice is more likely to melt.

But there might be a less dramatic reason than polar ice melting for the higher ocean level — the higher temperature of the water. Water is most dense at 4 degrees Celsius. Above and below this temperature, the density of water decreases (the same weight of water occupies a bigger space). So as the overall temperature of the water increases it naturally expands a little bit making the oceans rise.


80 posted on 04/27/2010 1:13:07 AM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: 21twelve
Thank you for the information, it was quite interesting...its like greenland would do more damage if melted that I get from your research..

There is also much snow and ice on mountain tops, that might factor into melting also? I think I'll let the young folks worry my brain is already tired from thinking. but its 4:30am where I am at...should go to bed and dream of greenland staying ice bound....:O)

81 posted on 04/27/2010 1:31:17 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
" Actually, you have to go to 29,000 feet since EVERYTHING was submerged, which means Mt. Everest. I did it once, it ended up being about 30 TIMES the total water on the Earth "

There was NO Mt. Everest before the flood! The Earth's topography, as we see it today, is the result of the gigantic forces unleashed at the time of the flood. All the mountains, volcanoes, tectonic plate activity, even rain are the results of the flood. Yes, I said rain. Read your Bible, there was no rain before the flood. The Earth was watered by a mist coming up out of the ground (Genesis 2:5&6).

For those interested in the where all the water came from and where it went, see Creationscience.com Here you will find most of the answers to questions about what happened at Noah's flood & why there are flash frozen Mammoths with grass still in their mouths found in Siberia. Notice, I didn't say woolly mammoth because they weren't woolly. Siberia had a temperate climate before the flood.

82 posted on 04/27/2010 4:54:57 AM PDT by FW190
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To: Hoosier-Daddy; Windflier; PugetSoundSoldier

Ever heard of the hydroplate theory? Prior to the flood the earth was semi-arid with average 70 degree temps everywhere (including the poles) and mountain ranges no more than 1 mile high. Incidentally if you were to lower the sea-levels worldwide less than 100 feet all of the continents would be connected by land-bridges.

See creationscience.com written by a former evolutionary scientist Dr. Walt Brown Ph.D.


83 posted on 04/27/2010 6:23:57 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: dschapin

See my prior post or better yet my links page for more information on Dr Walt Brown’s Hydroplate Theory.

It makes the most sense out of all of our geologic history - even the finding of marine fossils on the highest mountaintops.


84 posted on 04/27/2010 6:34:43 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: Lmo56

Your getting warmer. Try a global flood followed by hundreds maybe even thousands of local floods. One is going on right now with Niagra Falls. Creationscience.com


85 posted on 04/27/2010 6:36:40 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

He sent a raven (perching bird) that went to and fro til the earth was dry. He sent a dove (ground bird) and she found no where to land, so she came back. He sent her again, she had found an olive branch. He sent her again, and she did not need to come back.


86 posted on 04/27/2010 6:50:44 AM PDT by beefree
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To: BrandtMichaels
Ever heard of the hydroplate theory?

No, I haven't, but your description of it sounds interesting.

Ever heard of the "expanding earth" theory? According to its author, Earth actually started out as a smaller body than it is today, and has been undergoing expansion for billions of years.

On his site there's an animated short that shows his theory in action. In the video, the earth is shown slowly shrinking in size. As it does so, you see the continents and land masses begin to come together like matching puzzle pieces, until at some point, every open area has closed and the whole planet is a smooth, unbroken plain.

It's very convincing, and so is his detailed study of it. Well worth a look:

The Expanding Earth

Neal Adams Home Page

87 posted on 04/27/2010 7:51:29 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
If this was/is true then why have we not seen it since?

Because He promised not to do it that way again. The rainbow is a symbol of that promise (since co-opted by the queers).

88 posted on 04/27/2010 8:29:38 AM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: pissant
Hell, I thought I saw Leonard Nimoy on TV telling me this back in the 1970s

That was before GPS, and they lost it again.

89 posted on 04/27/2010 8:32:07 AM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; SunkenCiv
Thee dating of 4800 years ago is over 300 years after thee beginning of ancient Egypt.

Ages in Chaos connection?

90 posted on 04/27/2010 9:40:02 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (Yesterday's Left = today's status quo. Thus "CONSERVATIVE": a conflicted label for battling tyranny.)
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To: happygrl

Thanks! I had not heard this song before.


91 posted on 04/27/2010 10:50:26 AM PDT by zot
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To: Lmo56

I don’t know about Europe. However, I agree with you about the Columbia - though I think that the lake which broke out through the Columbia Gorge was formed in a more recent era when the waters receeded after the flood and the mountains rose up. I think that a substantial amount of water became trapped in a massive lake between the Cascade Mountains and the continental divide. At some point a massive earthquake or other such activity must have started a breach at the gorge which uncorked the bottle. I think that the Grand Canyon was formed in a similar manner. At Mount Saint Helens in Washington state a miniture Grand Canyon was formed in the 1980’s when a lake which became trapped in the volcanic cone after the eruption later broke loose with an accompaning mudflow and cut a very complex canyon through layers that had been laid down in the previous eruption.


92 posted on 04/27/2010 11:01:03 AM PDT by dschapin
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Interesting post, thanx. Now pictures and a video have been released as well.

As you can tell from the comments on this thread and others, a discovery of this magnitude (if proven to be real and not a hoax) will not change people’s minds. The mockers will continue to mock and ridicule just as Peter said they would (2 Peter 3:3-8).

For those who already believe, their faith will be strengthened.


93 posted on 04/27/2010 11:12:00 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: happygrl

From the article: “Local Turkish officials will ask the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected while a major archaeological dig is conducted, Yeung added.”

I’m happy to wait and see!

Cheers

Mel


94 posted on 04/27/2010 3:59:38 PM PDT by melsec
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To: Windflier
Mount Ararat was most notably Volcanically active around 3000 b.c. and a few times since. You will notice the lava flow covering the wooden beams in some places and actually ending the beams as they burnt through them in attached picture (left center). Hard to plant something like this. Either this is Noah's Ark or an old man-made structure (ref. 1840 volcanic activity) that has been exposed to volcanic activity.
95 posted on 04/28/2010 9:43:21 PM PDT by FootBall
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To: FootBall
For those who think the lava flow is ice in picture above.

Mount Ararat is known as a StratoVolcano. This Lava tends to be Glassy like. Giving it a shimmer. In addition ice is covering the lava adds to the shimmer. It's a naturally occuring Glass called Obsidian which is found in Felsic Lava flow and is caused when this lava cools very quickly (like in a VERY cold enviroment at 13k Feet on Mount Ararat).

Click Here for StratoVolcano Wiki

The lava that flows from stratovolcanoes tends to be viscous; it cools and hardens before spreading far. The magma forming this lava is often felsic, having high-to-intermediate levels of silica (as in rhyolite, dacite, or andesite), with lesser amounts of less-viscous mafic magma.

Picture of Obsidian Lava almost identical to the Chinese explorer picture I posted above.


96 posted on 05/01/2010 11:33:35 AM PDT by FootBall
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