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US Law: permanent residents required to have green card in possession at all times
US Sitizenship & Immigration Services ^ | USCIS

Posted on 05/03/2010 11:39:20 AM PDT by goods

A green card is issued to all permanent residents as proof that they are authorized to live and work in the United States. If you are a permanent resident age 18 or older, you are required to have a valid green card in your possession at all times.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; arizonaimmigration; greencard; illegalaliens; immigration; mexico

1 posted on 05/03/2010 11:39:20 AM PDT by goods
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To: goods

I guess we must be a racist country then.


2 posted on 05/03/2010 11:42:41 AM PDT by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: goods

I don’t really understand how this works. Legal non-citizen residents carry green cards. Illegals obviously don’t have them. But how does law enforcement distinguish between the latter and law-abiding citizens who neither have green cards nor are breaking the law? And if they can’t make such a distinction, then what’s the point of green cards?


3 posted on 05/03/2010 11:46:49 AM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC

If they have a green card, then they are here legally. It is as simple as that. No green card, no photo ID (driver’s license), then they must be illegal.


4 posted on 05/03/2010 11:57:57 AM PDT by DallasDeb (USAFA '06 Mom)
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To: goods
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5 posted on 05/03/2010 12:09:08 PM PDT by VU4G10
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To: goods

Let’s see here, I’ve lived in this country all my life, born here, paid taxes since age 15 and I have to prove my citizenship with birth certificates (originals) all proofs of recent addresses, prove legally born children, tax returns and who knows what else. Can’t I just run for President instead? I mean, what an inconvenience!


6 posted on 05/03/2010 12:10:17 PM PDT by poobear
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To: DrC
I don’t really understand how this works. Legal non-citizen residents carry green cards. Illegals obviously don’t have them. But how does law enforcement distinguish between the latter and law-abiding citizens who neither have green cards nor are breaking the law? And if they can’t make such a distinction, then what’s the point of green cards

It's really easy. When you see a person illegally crossing the border you ask them if they are in the country illegally. When they say yes, then you arrest them and send them back to Mexico or which ever country they came from. Very easy.

7 posted on 05/03/2010 12:11:09 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: VU4G10

Ihre papiere sind im Auftrag!


8 posted on 05/03/2010 12:17:42 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: RC one

This law is not a new law — I had a green card for 3 months back in the 50’s until I entered military service, after which I had a military ID. (No, I do not have a BC from Hawaii.)


9 posted on 05/03/2010 12:19:26 PM PDT by 353FMG (What can Islam possibly contribute to America other than its destruction?)
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To: DrC
But how does law enforcement distinguish between the latter and law-abiding citizens who neither have green cards nor are breaking the law?

They run a computer check on your driver's licence or state ID which you must have to write checs or get a bank account. Or on your social security card.

All of that information is in their data base.

10 posted on 05/03/2010 12:24:12 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: goods

Yeah. EXCEPT when you go to VOTE!!!


11 posted on 05/03/2010 12:39:38 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: MrEdd

“They run a computer check on your driver’s licence or state ID which you must have to write checs or get a bank account. Or on your social security card.”

Thanks, this is helpful. But what if I’m a legal citizen walking down the street without any of these documents? Can they run the check on my self-declared SSN? If so, what’s to prevent an illegal from reporting a stolen SSN and matching name? If not, does that mean any American who fails to carry identification is subject to arrest at any time?


12 posted on 05/03/2010 12:44:21 PM PDT by DrC
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To: goods

While I was living in Japan, I was pulled over twice for “driving while white,” and was stopped several times by the railroad police and the regular police so they could see my Alien Identification Card. If you don’t have that info on you or can make it quickly available, YOU GO TO JAIL. THEN THEY DEPORT YOU.

People in America need to realize that this is the reason California is completely bankrupt. 60% of LA are illegal and still attend school, go to the hospital, and collect food stamps WHILE NOT PAYING TAXES.


13 posted on 05/03/2010 12:47:54 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: DrC

If you provide your social security number, your picture will be in the file that pops up on the dashboard computer.

An illegal alien with a fake ID can not insert his picture into the state database very easily.

That said, if law enforcement in your local is crooked, they already can invent a pretext to arrest you without this.


14 posted on 05/03/2010 12:58:53 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: DrC
You have a drivers license don't you? Most states require you to be here legally in order to get one. Illegals buy fake green cards and SS numbers in order to get licenses, many drive without a license at all. Every state should have the requirement that you be a US citizen or legal resident in order to get a license to drive. Show your ID, viola, you are free and clear(which is true in most states now).

Note: You only have to show your drivers license if you are stopped for something.

15 posted on 05/03/2010 1:00:17 PM PDT by calex59
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To: goods

16 posted on 05/03/2010 1:01:22 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: DrC

If you are walking down the street, dumb ass, you are not going to be stopped and asked for ID. You must break a law first. That is the way it has always been in the USA, Arizona has made sure their law follows that procedure, otherwise it would be unconstitutional.


17 posted on 05/03/2010 1:02:19 PM PDT by calex59
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To: DrC

STOP !!!!!!! No free thinking or logic allowed.


18 posted on 05/03/2010 1:22:25 PM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: goods

Back in the 50s, when I turned eighteen years old, it was a requirement for all males above the age of eighteen to have their draft card in their possesion at all times.


19 posted on 05/03/2010 1:34:12 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Always do a little more than is expected, and someday .....it will be expected.)
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To: calex59

“If you are walking down the street, dumb ass, you are not going to be stopped and asked for ID. You must break a law first.”

But anyone walking down the street who police believe is an illegal immigrant actually CAN be stopped by AZ police, dumb ass. That’s exactly what is causing the controversy.
“The law makes it a crime to be present in the state without legal immigration status, and authorizes local and state law enforcement authorities — including the campus police, Ms. Fuller notes — to question those they suspect to be illegal immigrants and ask that they produce verification of their status.”
http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/03/arizona/


20 posted on 05/03/2010 2:04:30 PM PDT by DrC
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To: MrEdd

“If you provide your social security number, your picture will be in the file that pops up on the dashboard computer.”

Thanks. I actually find that reassuring, as there’s plenty of times when I don’t necessarily have my wallet on me (e.g., if jogging) but wouldn’t want to be subject to being busted for failure to show a government-approved ID card. This implies law-abiding Hispanics, for example, aren’t being subjected to a requirement from which everyone else is exempt.

Clearly this new authority could be abused by cops, but the same could be said of police powers in any jurisdiction and courts can decide when cops have crossed the line in terms of exercising discretion. It’s surely annoying to have to provide info or a card to police, but the benefits of having secure borders surely are worth some price. It’s not clear this is much different than what we all endure at the hands of TSA to ensure airline safety.


21 posted on 05/03/2010 2:18:30 PM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC
Thanks, this is helpful. But what if I’m a legal citizen walking down the street without any of these documents?

Well, unless LEOs have cause to talk to you, it won't be an issue.

If you make contact for cause, well then, yes, you have to provide ID.

This is not new.

22 posted on 05/03/2010 2:32:06 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: DrC
But anyone walking down the street who police believe is an illegal immigrant actually CAN be stopped by AZ police, dumb ass. That’s exactly what is causing the controversy...

Well, no. It's not a primary offense. Those who are stopped, pulled aside, whatever, for cause can then be asked to provide ID.

Of course, had you read the actual law, or read commentary from sone non-LSM source, you would know this.

You would also know that due process applies, and that this law will be thoroughly litigated by the ACLU, among others.

This law nullifies the common local LEO policy, that local LEOs will NOT verify citizenship.

If you don't understand the problem or the solution, then by golly, you're part of ther problem.

23 posted on 05/03/2010 2:39:48 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: gogeo

“Well, no. It’s not a primary offense. Those who are stopped, pulled aside, whatever, for cause can then be asked to provide ID.”

Seriously? Violating federal immigration laws is not a primary offense? I obviously must be misinterpreting this provision which allows an arrest for ANY public offense that makes the person removable from the US:
“ A law enforcement officer, without a warrant, may arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States.”
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070p.htm


24 posted on 05/03/2010 3:47:26 PM PDT by DrC
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To: goods; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

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25 posted on 05/04/2010 7:42:53 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: DrC
if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable

The key is "if the officer has probable cause..." that is a legal term applied to everyone citizen or anyone in this country even prior to this law and it is a much higher standard than just the LEO thinking you are up to no good. Also "probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable" means the LEO has to have probable cause that the person committed an act/crime that is serious enough they would be deported for it.

So the police have to have a reason to be checking you out to begin with- probable cause that you have committed an offense or crime. This is no different than the standards for police to stop any of us and further check us out- the only difference is they were not allowed to check for citizenship prior to this law in many areas.

Laws are different in many areas- many states don't allow their LEO to check citizenship on people they investigate or arrest. Some areas have laws that do allow LEO to check out illegals and do it already. This is a new law in Arizona but I have heard there already are similiar laws in some other states, just don't get the attention of the media and screaming libs and hysterical media.

26 posted on 05/04/2010 8:22:22 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Tammy8

“LEO has to have probable cause that the person committed an act/crime that is serious enough they would be deported for it.”

So being in the country illegally is not a deportable offense? As I suggested earlier, I really doubt there would be a great deal of controversy if this new law applied only to individuals arrested for breaking some other law. Indeed, it would surprise me if other states didn’t routinely check the immigration status of their arrestees and deport those who were here illegally rather than squander scarce LE resources in prosecuting them and/or housing them in jail.


27 posted on 05/04/2010 10:09:33 AM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC
You have lost the context.

This law puts an affirmative duty on a LEO, IF stopping/detaining a person WITH CAUSE, to confirm the immigration status of anyone if they HAVE REASONABLE CAUSE to suspect they may not be citizens.

Those who suggest there will be packs of LEOs or vigilantes roaming the streets with attack dogs, molesting anyone with cilantro on their breath, are engaging in rhetoric that is not only fantasy, but irresponsible.

Not only does the law not do what you suggest it will, the courts will not allow LEOs to do what you suggest they will.

28 posted on 05/04/2010 10:43:49 AM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: gogeo

“This law puts an affirmative duty on a LEO, IF stopping/detaining a person WITH CAUSE, to confirm the immigration status of anyone if they HAVE REASONABLE CAUSE to suspect they may not be citizens.”

I concur, there is a provision that does what you say above. But there also is THIS provision:
“ A law enforcement officer, without a warrant, may arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States.”
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070p.htm

Since being in the U.S. illegally is itself an offense that warrants removing the person from the U.S., the foregoing provision implies that a person may be arrested SOLELY for failure to show the proper papers. It does not have to be in the context of being arrested/detained for a separate reason.

Yes, police have to show probable cause and I am not claiming they will be running around using “cilantro breath” to make this determination. I am merely pointing out that the law does NOT appear to make the query for proof of immigration status contingent on breaking some other law. And this concerns some people since different LEO’s may have looser standards than others about what constitutes probable cause for such a query. What am I missing?


29 posted on 05/04/2010 11:17:02 AM PDT by DrC
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To: DrC
I am not an expert but I think crossing the border is the illegal act, from what I understand being here after the crossing is not illegal in most jurisdictions. If that is how it is in Arizona it would seem unless LEO witnessed the crossing they could not use that against the person unless there was another offense or crime committed.

As I understand it truly law-abiding illegals have little or nothing to fear from this law. If illegals commit other offenses or crimes that bring them to the attention of LEO then the fact that they are also here illegally becomes an issue.

30 posted on 05/04/2010 11:53:00 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: DrC
I am not an expert but I think crossing the border is the illegal act, from what I understand being here after the crossing is not illegal in most jurisdictions. If that is how it is in Arizona it would seem unless LEO witnessed the crossing they could not use that against the person unless there was another offense or crime committed.

As I understand it truly law-abiding illegals have little or nothing to fear from this law. If illegals commit other offenses or crimes that bring them to the attention of LEO then the fact that they are also here illegally becomes an issue.

31 posted on 05/04/2010 11:56:48 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: struggle

#13,,And the Kali. politicans are SO happy with this arrangement,,,,just ask them.


32 posted on 05/04/2010 1:31:56 PM PDT by Waco (Kalifonia don't need no stenkin oil and no stenkin revenues)
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To: DrC

Since the police cannot use race or ethnicity as probable cause, they can’t suspect you of being illegal just because you are walking down the street. You have to give them reason to suspect you before they can stop you and check your ID.


33 posted on 05/12/2010 11:05:51 AM PDT by Gray Wanderer
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