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Posted on 06/03/2010 9:50:30 AM PDT by Jewbacca
Today at school (a nice private school), a little girl, aged 6, daughter of a well-to-do-pediatrician who happens to be a muslim from Jordan or thereabouts, walked up to my daughter (aged 6) and told her that she was going to "cut her dirty Jew throat" and shoved her down.
Out of the blue. Completely in seperate classrooms.
This was in the USA, btw.
No previous contact or problems that we know of.
Been fun at our house today.
School is involved.
They don't want me to call the cops, as this is the last week of school, and I wouldn't normally, but I assume this little b---ch learned this at home.
A Christian mother of a child at the school told my wife the muslim girl previously stated to her daughter there was "no such thing as Jesus" and "Easter was fake" and if she (the Christian's daughter) didn't stop talking about Jesus, she'd "slit her throat." (I obviously am Jewish, so we have theological differences here, but this was no less shocking.) I don't know what action was taken here, but am trying to find out.
I pissed off on multiple levels.
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Good days work.
I saw your original post this morning and, like the others, hoped you would act on this. I’m glad you did. Thanks for the update, and good on you for taking action!
I see it's mostly in the UK newspapers, and named after "Big Brother 5 (UK)" contestant Shell Jubin, a bodaciously tata-gifted lady. There are many variations based on the jub- or juba- root word, most of them not typeable by my ladylike fingers. :o/
Thanks for the mammaries.
Point well taken.
I agree. Call the cops. And Fox News.
Good! Go for it!
Have you contacted Fox News et al. yet?
How is the school involved?
Are they just going to do a slap on the wrist?
If this situation is documented, YOU MUST CALL FOX NEWS TODAY!!
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Today at school (a nice private school),
Time to engage the best lawyer(s) in town and/or a group like ACLJ.
Or The Rutherford Institute.
Of course, you’ll need to “batten down the hatches” for the ensuing situation.
As they said in the Sixties: “Keep the faith, baby!”.
Ditto. Keep us posted...
“The girl learned this from her father.”
That’s the big problem right there. If the father is a physician of some kind, he’s in a position to do a lot of damage if he chooses. A six-year-old girl probably doesn’t know what cutting someone’s throat really means...although it that culture, maybe. But mommy and daddy...
Thank you for taking action! I hope everything goes well for your family.
Sounds like you had a pretty successful day. Thanks for the update.
I am just not a media guy. I have a heavy Israeli accent, and get scared speaking English publically.
I did take my daughter to school today (with my legal and concealed .40 GLOCK safely under my loose shirt -— yes legal on a private school, checked that).
Lots of dads dropping kids off today.
Jihadi girl’s cubby is empty and even her picture removed from the bulliten board. I think that is all I could hope to accomplish here.
I was thanked by the teacher for making a stink, which made me feel good. She said the girl and her family were trouble, but no one had ever stepped up.
Thanks to all for encouraging me to step up.
More attention would just appear to be vindictive, I think.
Good for you, JB!!! Glad the little snot is gone and you have the support of the teacher! You did the right thing.
You are a very good dad. Your daughter has a good role model to look up to.
The child should be suspended. Thats what they do around here when threats are made.
Good. Very good. This action alone should haunt them for years.
One thing is unabashedly true: kids are outright cruel to each other. The sophistication of such will only increase as the kids mature; the exquisite nature of bullying reaches its zenith sometime in high school. There's a phenomenon called 'group think', and this is most developed with the formation of cliques in high school, and the emerging sense of identity and need to belong.
That being said, and notwithstanding, bullies are a notch above all that. However, bullies are not born: they're made; this is no less true of racists either. For the most part people look down their nose at other people whom they deem to be less worthy than themselves. This is a fact of life. But the fundamental issue with bullies is more deep-seated emotional and psychological factors arising out of the home environment. One neighborhood bully I had to deal with had a father who was a mother beater. Bullies may have to deal with alchoholism, divorce, death, and all sorts of traumatic issues.
One of the biggest resources that anybody can have with regards to dealing with bullies is that of self-confidence. For the most part kids have to learn how to get out of the scraps of their own making. The only time when parental involvement is warranted is when one's child is truly innocent. One of the biggest confidence builders there are is proficiency in martial arts.
A great adage states that success is determined largely by 90% brain-power and the remainder between some ratio of sweat and luck. Its a lesson that needs to be learned: when to stand one's ground and when to walk away. Moreover, intellectual prowess behind a silver tongue is far greater than the brawns behind physically backing it up. To be able to convince an adversary that they don't want to mess around because the adversary will end up getting hurt is priceless. Martial arts training not only can instill such skills, but the confidence necessary such that a display of physical force won't be necessary.
A very good life lesson to be learned is how to walk away from unpleasant people and have nothing further to do with them. This entails an understanding that people have theirs coming to them. The only question is whether they are to be doled out their allotment by themselves, or whether its sufficient to know that somebody else will dole it out in far better measure down the road.
In your particular case, since the incident occured on school grounds, and the school administration has prima facie custodial responsibility, the issue must be resolved addressed at school. There must be a parent teacher conference between all parties concerned. This would include no less than other parents who may be affected by the behavior of this bully-in-training being present (as it appears this is not an isolated incident). The school administration and the bully's parents must be put on notice that any further display of such behavior will not be countenanced in any way, shape, or form; failure to address the matter will result in escalation (either regretfully by the kids themselves or legally - by the parents).
Ultimately, the recourse is legal parent to parent (not the school). If the parent doesn't excercise their responsiblity to control / discipline their child, then legal recourse against the parent is absolutely a necessity; a parent can never delegate their accountability for their children's actions. For example, who's responsible for medical expenses when one child cold-cocks another and knocks their teeth out (or destroys an expensive pair of glasses)? The foreging notwithstanding, nevertheless, and what not, it depends what you want to teach your child: go along to get along, turn the other cheek (meeknes inherits the earth), lady-like behavior, etc.? We all have to learn when a battle is worth fighting, i.e., when to stand one's ground - this far and NO farther. Sometimes the benefits of a scrum are just not worth the effort.
The self confidence of this individual is beyond repute:
That boy didn't get that way by being coddled as a child that's for sure.
You can’t really blame the kid. She’s clearly learning this stuff from someplace, though — I’m guessing from her father. The police need to know; but I would suggest that DHS might be interested as well.
Post 133 was the update.
Saw that. Thanks!
Excellent. That sure is a sigh of relief.
Let us know if you need anything else, especially regarding talk radio media access in Washington, DC.
Prayers for you and your daughter.
And also for the 6 year old Muslim girl ... Can you imagine being injected with such poison at such a young age? A different kind of child abuse - but certainly a very sick version of it. Poisoning one's mind with hatred is sad. Satan is having his way with that family.
You'll be doing her a favor by reporting this incident to the police. She needs negative feedback for her behavior... It might not do any good - but it might get her parents/family on a 'watch list'. And if a 6 year old girl is spewing out this vileness - I'd want to keep a close eye on the 'adults' in that household.
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Today at school (a nice private school), a little girl, aged 6, daughter of a well-to-do-pediatrician who happens to be a muslim from Jordan or thereabouts, walked up to my daughter (aged 6) and told her that she was going to “cut her dirty Jew throat” and shoved her down.
Your daughter should have gotten up and used her little jew fists to pound the *hit out of that bully.
“Your daughter should have gotten up and used her little jew fists to pound the *hit out of that bully.”
The teacher interceded immediately. No time.
She is in Taekwondo currently (no Krac Maga nearby), but it does little good when you’re attacked out of the blue in kindergarden. One just does not expect that.
And our family are not wimps — I am a 10+ year veteran of the IAF, over six feet and solid, concealed carry guy (as is my wife — the carry part, not the veteran or six ).
It is, however, a delecate balance teaching a small child to defend herself — and not be the nut kid who punches other kids because they called you “poopy” or something.
It’s really affected her. She’s had disagreements, but never attacked.
I mean, who is attacked in kindergarden? Apparently little Jewish girls.
I would be sure there’s a record at the police department and also at Child Protective Services. This child didn’t pick up her comments at school. It could have been home or at a muslim Sunday School
I’d get every Jew and Christian I know to avoid the girl’s dad’s pediatric practice. He and his services are needed more in Gaza, anyway. Let the family move there.
jihadi junior’s father is a pediatrician! What exactly does he pracice on those children he sees? I would also report him to the authorities.
NO six year old talks this way unless sactioned and coached at home.
Definitely report this, both to the school and to the police. School administration weasels cringe at the thought of such publicity, and there is definitely something going on in that household. Six year old girls don’t come up with this stuff on their own.
I agree. This MUST be reported and documented.
And Children’s Services should be alerted.
That Child is being abused, according to the LIBERALS’ OWN Criteria (being indoctrinated in a cult!).
Forget the damn school and what they want. You are the parent and have EVERY right to handle this in the manner you feel is necessary. They just want to cover their a**es and could give a crap less about the safety of your daughter, or any other child in that school...
PLEASE call the police — at the least Social Services will be involved. AND, the police can lean on the administrators and teacher in this school who are obviously more worried about the bad press than the truth.
It is CLEARLY a death threat, and that little *itch needs serious mental help.
And, if the cops refuse to do anything I’d be calling the local press.
Also, please inform ALL of your local synagogues of what has happened. They need to be aware of this ‘child’ and her ‘parents’, and what scum of the Earth they really are...
I’m praying for you, your family, and your daughter. May God bless and protect you all from harm, and may He give you peace and comfort. My heart breaks for your precious child. May she be filled with the peace only God can provide and may she never be led to question her value... If you think it appropriate, please tell her many of us are praying for her, and your family.
Well, I TRIED to post something on this thread...
I agree with all of those who have encouraged you to definitely call the police.
I am praying for your precious daughter, and your entire family.
This is certainly outrageous and one can be sure that the little girl learned her behavior from her parents and family.
It’s prudent to report this.
I hate to be the one to tell you folks..... in most if not all states, 6 year olds can not commit a crime, period.
If this 6 year old killed and ate the neighbor guy, the 6 year old will not be seen as having culpability.
Apparently I’m the lone voice of dissent in this matter. Frankly, I believe that this is being blown way out of proportion. Kids say stupid things. When do they become mature enough whereby “I’m going to kill you” is a statement of no trifling import? I’ve had to stop adults from sayging that (for obvious reasons); what has been heard can not be unheard.
Suppose something - anything - happens to the other person: now I’m absolutely obligated to come foward with knowlege of a pre-existing threat. Moreover, we’ve all seen enough Hollywood to know that’s a perfect opportunity for some nepharious set-up; its just plain foolish to say something like that.
I wonder how much call there’d be for making police reports if instead of your child (a Jew), it was a black, asian, hispanic or person of Polish or Italian ethnicity who was the target? Where’s the common sense here? Kids say and to the darndesst things. There’s a time and place for police and CPS intervention; I doubt this was it.
These days if a first grade boy kisses one of the girls in his class, that’s sexual abuse? What are the ramifications to: “You’re parents are a couple of fags. Don’t come near me with your fag cooties or I’ll kill you.” Kids can say and do things, quite innocently, as they have no concept of the consequences. And thinking about how somebody else may feel about what they say or do isn’t natural (unless they’re naturally empathic).
That notwithstanding, you said the teacher immediately intervened. Without doubt the teacher immediately demanded an appology from the little cretin. Notwithstanding, she immediately should’ve been frog-marched to the principal’s office for a stern talking to.
The issue here is not so much what she said, or even did, but her vicious attitude against Jews and Christians in particular (not your daughter specifically). But regardless, her unprovoked blind-sided attack had to be addressed.
The school is accountable to maintaining a peaceable, non-threatening environment for all students (regardless of their ethnicity, race or religion). Depending on how repentant the other girl was, her recess priveleges could’ve been revoked for an appropriate amount of time. And that could’ve been the end of the matter. However, without any remorse expressed on her part, a call to her parent / gaurdian would be warranted.
Depending on the intial post-incident circumstances, sending a note home with the girl explaining the situation might’ve been sufficient. However, if the child is generally incorrigable in class, and in particular defiant to the authority figures present with respect to this particular situation, i.e., principle, teacher, playground monitor, then an immediate parent-teacher conference was called for. Its at that time, depending upon the parants response, that the child could be immediately suspended. Clearly the father’s response was no help in that matter.
If the parent refuses to address the issue appropriately, with at a minimum a verbal reprimant, and a demand that their daughter appologizes to your daughter, the school has no choice but to suspent the mniscreant. Depending on circumsances, e.g., an additional incident of physical violence could result in expulsion. That would probably be forthcoming in any regard, as I find it hard to believe there aren’t exigent discipline problems in her homeroom.
As far as the issue of martial arts training, first and foremost it should be fun for her, and secondarily disciplining the mind and body. The latter part being immensely important; physical fitness is extremely important to execute one’s martial arts skills without injury to one’s self. Moreover, advertisement of said training, i.e., bragging to one’s friends, is contrary to the whole philosophy of martial arts. It is a confidence builder (fear being a mind-killer), discipline for the mind and body and providing skills necessary for defence, and also being a force multiplier whereby a much larger & stronger adversary can be handled. Down the road rape would be a quite improbable event.
That being said, I hope you’re not pressing her into the taekwondo. The choice should be hers entirely. At that age her main interest would be coloring and playing with dollies I would imagine. No way should you force her to continue training when it ceases to be fun for her. You may have to offer encouragement from time to time if she expresses disinterest in continuing to take classes.
Nevertheless, you while she’s taking classes you definitely should ensure she maintains an excercise regimin - appropriate for her 6 year old age and skill level - between classes. I’m certain the instructore will assign the appropriate standard fare: pushups, sit-ups, toe touches, etc. Whatever is assigned, you make sure she follows through on. When I was taking ju-jitsu training in 4th grade, Dad watched me go through my excercises on a weekly basis, and he expected improvement in that regard too. That was the only pressure I was under - to do my excercises - while I was taking classes (not being forced to take classes themselves).
Long and short of it, I’m glad the situation appears to be resolved. I just hope your little girl didn’t see you bring the firearm with you when you took her to school. That’s the last message you want to impart with respect to conflict resolution. We do live in crazy times and being able to defend yourself against a potential fanatic probably is warranted.
In this multi-cultural, multi-ethnic tolerant society, the other girl is headed for a whole lotta trouble down the road (unless she spends the rest of her academic life in a madrassa).
Arrange an on-videocamera interview of your daughter to be conducted with your family attorney present (and perhaps even conducting the interview) as a form of a video deposition.
Make sure that a wide array of questions from a wide variety of perspectives are asked, to leave no room for doubt that she neither said, nor did anything to provoke such venomous and threatening words or violence
This may protect your daughter in the long run and prevent her from being browbeaten by other people with distinctly unfriendly agendas, and intentions of making her out to be the instigator rather than the innocent subject of someone else’s malice (such shills will come out of the woodwork at the first hint of a confrontation like this, IMHO)
Prayers for strength, unity, and resilience for you and your whole family!
” just hope your little girl didnt see you bring the firearm with you when you took her to school.”
She sees me put on my firearm every day, as sees her mother put on her firearm (she’s a doctor in hospital where rapes and worse have occurred).
Nothing usual, and a common sense precaution for all law-abiding persons.
I’ve got one for everyone: how did little jihadi know my daughter was Jewish? She doesn’t wear a yellow star; no overt religious acts, unless one counts missing certain days.
They were not in the same class; jiahdi girl was unknown completely to my daugter.
It is apparent someone took the time to identify my daughter to her.
This, to me, is by far the most troublesome point.
But, school is over.
Off to tennis and swim and theatre camp, then Israel to see grandmother!
I’m relieved to hear that your action wasn’t a result of this incident. Your position in that regard is not only valid, but sound.
I was thinking about that. The first reaction was that she was extremely outspoken concerning her faith. This can be understandable if your family adhere to orthodox Judaism. Even the issue with respect to the anecdote you cited concerning the Christian child.
However, I got to thinking, how overt can any of these children be concerning their religion. They are 6 years old for crying out loud. At that age their actions are quintessentially that of innocence with respect to virtually everything. With regards to the Christian child, what concept do kindegartners have pertaining to Jesus, except possibly the Babe lying in the Manger. Certainly they’re not actively proselytizing the Gospel, and preaching fire and brimstone, etc. and thumping a Bible. Or, for that fact, your daughter would wrap herself in the Torah and proclaim Mosaic Law to anybody within earshot.
The only way that one’s religion can become an issue would be if the children in question are acting in a haughty, arrogant and condescending manner (as bigoted snobs). But I have a hard time grasping that 6 year olds can act in such fashion as to receive a backlash of such vehemence as you describe.
It is difficult to see how a child’s religion can become such an issue of contention until well after the age when belief in Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and other childhood fairy tales, etc. become the object of ridicule and scorn by children’s own peers.
I believe a very reasonable and plausible explanation is that the girl was incited to this behavior, either by her family at home, or perhaps older siblings in the same school (or perhaps neighbor of hers who attend the school).
Good job following up on the threat to your daughter. I am so sorry that some people are evil.
The only other thing I might do is document everything that happened for future reference. Hopefully, this event is behind you forever.
God bless you and your family.
As it should be in a six-year old's life.
Let me reiterate again how outrageous this particular situation of yours was, especially in the context of a more visible rising Islamist presence in American and the campaign against Israel in the wake of the Gaza blockade run.
Nevertheless, it reminds me of my daughter's early years and the many conversations we had about how sometimes it's difficult to have to stand alone, even in the face of the majority going; doing things the other way -- are even threats. My daughter faced a scenario like that in her sophomore year in high school and went a little wobbly, but she finally prevailed in mind and heart and her adversary was inevitably expelled (from the whole district!).
Pastors/Rabbis will counsel men that their daughter's views and relationship with G-d will be directly influenced by their relationship with their earthly fathers -- our compassion, patience, approachability, and grace modeling her view of Him.
Likewise, the solid comfort that if threatened by little street goblins and dishonorable men in any way, snarly-a**ed DAD will be there like a hurricane to bring down the pain.
IMHO, you should do whatever needs to be done to prevent something like this from happening again at that School.
I'm sure you're not surprised that most posters here feel the same way. It's very simple, as Conservatives it's in our nature to take care of our own problems rather than take on the Victim Mentality of Liberalism.
Unfortunately, that same attitude works to make us enablers of the Liberal anything goes excuse for anti social behavior.
See 133 and 167
WOOHOO! I’m glad some action was apparently taken, and you even got an additional kudos from the teacher.
Yes, you are probably correct, that’s as much as you’ll get out of it.
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