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Netflix-Relativity Deal: Another Nail in Blu-ray's Coffin
pcworld.com ^ | Jul 6, 2010 | Jeff Bertolucci

Posted on 07/07/2010 1:48:37 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave

Tuesday's announcement of a content-streaming deal between Netflix and Relativity Media, the latter a Hollywood production company that makes mainstream flicks such as "Get Him to the Greek," "Grown Ups," and "Robin Hood," is welcome news for subscribers of the movie-rental service. It means that Netflix members will be able to stream Relativity titles to their TVs and computers sooner than before. Rather than waiting (in some cases) years after a movie's DVD release before they can watch the title online, members will only have to wait months.

OK, if you're the instant gratification type, that's still a long wait. But online streaming is moving in the right direction, and the Relativity pact is likely the first of similar deals between Netflix and Hollywood. Previously, recent films (such as the 2010 titles above) might have been entangled in long-term agreements with pay-TV channels such as HBO, Showtime, and Starz. The new agreement shortens the streaming delay considerably, albeit for a select number of titles.

Content Cornucopia

If you're not familiar with Netflix, here's how it works. Subscribers pay $9 per month to stream more than 20,000 movies and TV shows, and they can also rent one DVD at a time. For an extra $2 a month, they can get Blu-ray discs too. (Pricier options let them rent multiple discs at once.) Netflix has more than 13 million subscribers.

Netflix's two-tiered approach to movie distribution--discs and streaming--is appealing to consumers, most of whom probably have a DVD player as well as a streaming device, be it a set-top box, game console, Internet-ready TV, or Blu-ray player, in the living room. And while Netflix got its start by delivering shiny plastic discs via snail mail, it has made it clear that online streaming is the future.

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1 posted on 07/07/2010 1:48:39 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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2 posted on 07/07/2010 1:51:58 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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3 posted on 07/07/2010 1:53:48 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
I love my netflix account, and if they're going to put more content online that's even better. I probably watch about half my viewing streaming online.

This particular deal doesn't feed into my viewing directly because I don't watch much of the current crap being made, but if Netflix is focusing on streaming they are bound to put stuff I want as well.

4 posted on 07/07/2010 1:56:26 AM PDT by highlander_UW (The left proclaimed Obama as a Lightworker, but his work habit proclaims him to be a light worker)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Netflix downloads, blue-ray and dvds are indistinguishable on my excellent Panasonic G20 50”.


5 posted on 07/07/2010 1:57:32 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Arizona: Just doing the job 0bamacrats won't do!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

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“Our continued goal is to expand the breadth and timeliness of films and TV shows available to stream on Netflix,” said Netflix official Ted Sarandos in a statement. “Historically, the rights to distribute these films are pre-sold to pay TV for as long as nine years after their theatrical release. Through our partnership with Relativity, these films will start to become available to our members just months after their DVD release.”

Blu-ray, We Hardly Knew Ye

So where does this leave Blu-ray? The high-def successor to DVD has its proponents certainly, some of whom see the format as a great way to bring 3D entertainment to the home. But the consumer demand for 3D TV remains questionable, and Blu-ray is increasingly looking like an anachronism in today’s online-oriented world. Content deals like today’s Netflix-Relativity pact highlight the growing importance of the Internet as an entertainment-delivery system. It also gives consumers yet another reason to pass on that bargain Blu-ray player at Costco.

The fact that many new Blu-ray players have built-in Internet streaming (with Netflix access) is a good indication of their true value. Soon, I suspect, they’ll be used more as set-top boxes to access online content rather than as disc players.


6 posted on 07/07/2010 1:58:32 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Headline is totally misleading. Netflix will not kill Blu-ray, it is just another option to receiving content. As for me, I would rather own a high-def Blu-ray HARD copy of a film rather than a DVD or a downloaded compressed file of the movie saved to a hard drive. The last time I checked, hard drives CRASH and there goes all of your "saved" movie content. Also, the quality of video streaming via Net Flix et, al comes no where near the quality of a high-def Blu-ray disk.

"Nail in the coffin"... hardly

7 posted on 07/07/2010 2:02:05 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Heavenly Father, deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Netflix is excellent, but the tech press fawns over digital distribution in general far too much. Wake me when Netflix exceeds Blu-Ray’s PQ and bitrate.


8 posted on 07/07/2010 3:39:51 AM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

That is not the case with our SONY 1080p projector projecting an image onto our 100 inch Stewart screen. There is a massive difference between Netflix downloads and Blu-ray, a good example is Avatar which has outstanding audio and video quality on Blu-ray. The same can not be said of the online streaming version/download when it comes to a 100 inch image.


9 posted on 07/07/2010 3:58:20 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Heavenly Father, deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Jmouse007

Agreed.


10 posted on 07/07/2010 4:19:31 AM PDT by 03A3
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To: Jmouse007
I agree 100%. People forget that the data rate for H.264 video on a Blu-ray disc is 25-35 megabits per second, and unless you live in South Korea, parts of Japan or a small portion of Europe, there's NO WAY you can stream that high-quality video over an Internet connection. Besides, with download caps imposed by many Internet Service Providers, that could limit the appeal of streamed video viewing, too.

As such, Blu-ray will continue to thrive, especially with the price of players continuing to drop and the price of discs almost the same as their DVD release counterparts.

11 posted on 07/07/2010 4:31:32 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I discovered Thepiratesbay.org and the bitstrem software utorrent.

Thepiratesbay.org has tons of tv shows, movies and music that are downloaded via utorrent.

My first try was for all of the episodes of The Pacific.

unlike netflix, it is with out cost


12 posted on 07/07/2010 4:34:43 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... The winds of war are freshening)
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To: RayChuang88

H.264 tops out at 15Mbps for all of the encoders and players I’ve seen.


13 posted on 07/07/2010 4:55:04 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
BluRay will be here for a long, long time to come... downloads and streaming cannot compete in bandwidth (quality) for video or the audio codecs of HD and you do not own anything... just a view. Sorry... America will never buy into this microsatan idea... savvy.

LLS

14 posted on 07/07/2010 4:55:09 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: RayChuang88

H.264 tops out at 15Mbps for all of the encoders and players I’ve seen.


15 posted on 07/07/2010 4:55:16 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

“Get Him to the Greek,” “Grown Ups,” and “Robin Hood,”

If the first two are examples of films they are proud of, I feel sorry for them.


16 posted on 07/07/2010 4:56:05 AM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: Jmouse007
The last time I checked, hard drives CRASH and there goes all of your "saved" movie content.

The condition of your hard drive has nothing whatsoever to do with streaming services like Netflix.

I think the point is that while people like you will always prefer nice, durable plastic that will last about 10 years for your movies, the HD-BD battle waged on so long that an alternate approach that is perfectly acceptable to a lot of other people took over. Bluray discs will, sadly, never ever reach the level of success that DVDs achieved.

Perhaps next time a battle like this looms on the horizon, the industry won't decide to kill itself.

17 posted on 07/07/2010 4:59:26 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: bert

We’re not talking about stealing (what you did is illegal).

To wit, I could go to Best Buy and steal a bunch of BD movies, and the quality would be much better than the streams you stole (unless you stole un-reencoded stream files taken from BDs themselves).


18 posted on 07/07/2010 5:02:07 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
BluRay will be here for a long, long time to come...

Streaming services will slowly get better. BluRay probably won't.

19 posted on 07/07/2010 5:03:03 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: bert

Don’t pull down RIAA music or hollywood content.

Torrent broadcast’s your IP and the movie and music folks are itching for a big lawsuit.

HBO also monitors and tracks torrent traffic involving their originals (I’ve seen Curb your Enthusiasm cease and desist letters).

Be careful how you pull your “free” content. It can get real pricey, real quick.


20 posted on 07/07/2010 5:03:46 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: bert
unlike netflix, it is with out cost

Because it's theft. It's called The Pirate's Bay for a reason.

21 posted on 07/07/2010 5:05:03 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Jmouse007
SONY 1080p projector projecting an image onto our 100 inch Stewart screen.

< jealousy = on> must be great for watching Fox News < /sarc>

22 posted on 07/07/2010 5:34:49 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: krb

Compression techniques on blu ray have already gotten much better since the initial releases on blu ray. That much is evident in the picture quality. Avatar on blu ray was unlike anything that I have ever seen in my entire life in terms of image and sound quality.

I’m not interested in dvds or streams. If a movie is good and should be watched, then it should be watched on blu ray in my opinion.


23 posted on 07/07/2010 5:49:23 AM PDT by chris37
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To: sbMKE

“Be careful how you pull your “free” content. It can get real pricey, real quick.”

On the other hand, anything that takes money out of the mouths of America haters in hollywood and the music industry can’t be all bad.


24 posted on 07/07/2010 5:54:51 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I have an upconverting DVD player and the results are pretty good. Titles are cheap and plentiful.


25 posted on 07/07/2010 6:02:16 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Politicians exist to break windows so they may spend other people's money to fix them.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I disagree. The streaming video is more like VHS quality.


26 posted on 07/07/2010 6:10:56 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: bert
If you just discovered BitTorrent, then you might enjoy "just discovering" this...

Facing the music: $1.9M file-share verdict stuns Minn. mom

June 19, 2009
By Julia Cheng, AP

A replay of the nation's only file-sharing case to go to trial has ended with the same result — a Minnesota woman was found to have violated music copyrights and must pay huge damages to the recording industry.

A federal jury ruled Thursday that Jammie Thomas-Rasset willfully violated the copyrights on 24 songs, and awarded recording companies $1.92 million, or $80,000 per song.

Thomas-Rasset's second trial actually turned out worse for her. When a different federal jury heard her case in 2007, it hit Thomas-Rasset with a $222,000 judgment.

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U.S. District Judge Michael Davis, who heard the first lawsuit in 2007, ordered up a new trial after deciding he had erred in instructions to the jurors. The first time, he said the companies didn't have to prove anyone downloaded the copyrighted songs she allegedly made available. Davis later concluded the law requires that actual distribution be shown.

His jury instructions this time framed the issues somewhat differently. He didn't explicitly define distribution but said the acts of downloading copyrighted sound recordings or distributing them to other users on peer-to-peer networks like Kazaa, without a license from the owners, are copyright violations.

Your FRiends will be happy to visit you at the GrayBar.

27 posted on 07/07/2010 6:19:38 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Hacklehead

If you don’t like someone, just don’t use their stuff. Theft is not morally superior.

(No, I don’t watch TV, and rarely watch movies. It can be done if you hate Hollywood that much.)


28 posted on 07/07/2010 6:20:58 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: TheRightGuy

It is fun, but Glenn Beck’s head is SOOOO BIG :o)


29 posted on 07/07/2010 6:35:24 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Heavenly Father, deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: chris37
If a movie is good and should be watched, then it should be watched on blu ray in my opinion.

Oh I agree, don't get me wrong. I am just saying that because Toshiba and Sony messed around so long, there will never be the large base of people demanding BDs like there is for DVDs. They were still fighting the format war for the first few years of affordable high def screens, and that was a costly mistake.

30 posted on 07/07/2010 6:48:01 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: RayChuang88
You are also correct regarding megabits per second (too bad we don't live in genuine "High def" areas of the world :o(

Talk about the poor "quality" of content streamed on Netflix, Comcast and supposed "High def" cable's content isn't much better either: lots of macro blocking, compressed signal, piggy-backing channels resulting in lower bit rates, 720p, 1080i instead of 1080p; all of these things contribute to MEDIOCRE, LOW "high-def" all of which also cannot begin to compete with Blu-ray. Again, AVATAR on Blu-ray is a tremendous example of genuine high definition audio and video... too bad the movie isn't as good as it's A/V, but I guess we cannot have everything.

Even if one is able to download and save a high resolution, high-def movie on their hard drive, hard drives still crash and when they do that content is GONE. With a Blu-ray disk I have a true 1080p high definition HARD copy that will last for years and years to come.

31 posted on 07/07/2010 6:56:25 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Heavenly Father, deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: krb

You can HD/Bluray fiasco on Toshiba. Their greed led to an unwillingness to agree to a SINGLE standard and they have paid dearly for it.


32 posted on 07/07/2010 6:59:11 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Heavenly Father, deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Jmouse007

Yeah, it all started when Toshiba hit Sony back. :-)


33 posted on 07/07/2010 7:11:40 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: Jmouse007

You can BLAME (sorry, forgot the word.)


34 posted on 07/07/2010 7:13:33 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Heavenly Father, deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Just got my first BR player, and signed up for Netflix. Streaming is not an option for me because of my lousy “broadband” connection, and I wouldn’t want it to be unless they could equal the video and audio quality of Blu-ray.

That said, my very expensive player has issues with the scratches on nearly every disc I’ve rented, at least one of which has gone back unwatched. They’re sending another copy, but what a pain.

It’s too bad, because the service is outstanding.

The only thing that will bury Blu-ray, though, is when solid state storage becomes cheap enough to put content on flash card type devices that would eliminate moving parts and damage from careless handling. Now THAT would be cool. :-)


35 posted on 07/07/2010 7:18:56 AM PDT by moonhawk (Pre-order your "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!" bumper stickers here on Free Republic now.)
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To: krb
Streaming services will NEVER be THE way to obtain entertainment... no matter how much amir and microsatan wants it to. BluRay just went 3D... and the platform was designed for improvements and so were the players. My original Pioneer HD1 player has had over 20 updates and added features since its purchase.

LLS

36 posted on 07/07/2010 7:19:55 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: Jmouse007
It is fun, but Glenn Beck’s head is SOOOO BIG :o)

Yeah! So I can't imagine what it's like on the projection TV!

37 posted on 07/07/2010 7:35:56 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

after the HDDVD foldup, one of the Sony execs stated that BluRay would be the last optical format.


38 posted on 07/07/2010 7:37:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Jmouse007
"Nail in the coffin"... hardly

I agree. I stream Netflix via my Blu-ray player; but it is mainly old TV shows. I enjoy being able to watch the Dick Van Dyke Show or Have Gun-Will Travel without having to collect all the discs (and I will not watch those shows repeatedly, anyway). The quality is not near Blu-ray. Even HD stuff I have archived on my DiSH receiver (and its extra external hard drive) is not Blu-ray quality.

I don't know why there is always someone trying to spread FUD about Blu-ray. Remember the Toshiba upconverting DVD player that was supposed to spell the end of Blu-ray? Besides, Blu-ray is cheap now.

39 posted on 07/07/2010 7:47:28 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Blu-ray isn’t going anywhere. Eventually DVDs will be gone, and everything will be blu-ray, because it won’t be worth it to the companies to make two sets of every disk.

Already, a lot of special content is only available to blu-ray purchasers, it used to be that you could always get all the special features by buying a 2-disk special edition, but (for example) Alice in Wonderland required a blu-ray purchase to see most of the special features.

And since a good blu-ray player is hardly more expensive than last year’s good DVD player, soon everybody will be buying blu-ray players.

And since it really doesn’t cost any more for a company to press a blu-ray disk than a regular DVD, relative to the set-up and delivery and packaging costs, there’s no reason that within 5 years blu-ray disks would be cheaper than old DVDs simply due to volume.

I haven’t done blu-ray yet because I got lost in the “don’t buy old blu-ray players since they changed the format”. I know that at some point the players are all being sold with upgrade capability, but I don’t know which ones are or aren’t, and I’ve been afraid to buy old clearance models.

But I figure soon I’ll do it, even though I now have two regular DVD players that are home theatre systems, meaning they have my sound built in and so my upgrade cost is more than just a player.

Of course, my “home theatre” only cost me $180, since I bought a clearance item. So it’s not like I have a large investment like most people. The only thing I bought that costs real money are the TV sets, (and the monthly payment for my content, currently FIOS).


40 posted on 07/07/2010 7:58:54 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: krb

Yep, I agree that they botched the introduction of this medium to the market very badly. I just love it though, sometimes, such as while I was watching Avatar on Blu Ray, I have to pick my jaw up off of the floor from what I see on my screen.

Now if we could only get Hollywierd to make some good movies to watch...


41 posted on 07/07/2010 8:27:24 AM PDT by chris37
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To: Gondring

It’s GINORMOUS! :o)


42 posted on 07/07/2010 8:46:37 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Heavenly Father, deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Netflix downloads, blue-ray and dvds are indistinguishable on my excellent Panasonic G20 50”.

Either you're not seeing the difference in those three, or something is wrong. Blu-Ray should be noticeably better than the other two, and in my case (not a great Internet pipe) there's a dramatic dropoff from DVD to streaming.

MM (in TX)

43 posted on 07/07/2010 9:52:42 AM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Netflix downloads, blue-ray and dvds are indistinguishable on my excellent Panasonic G20 50”.

Dunno about Net-Flix, but I notice the same thing as you on my 1982 Zenith. B-D I got a Blu-Ray for Christmas so I hooked it up to our biggest set. B-)
44 posted on 07/07/2010 10:03:15 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Netflix downloads, blue-ray and dvds are indistinguishable on my excellent Panasonic G20 50”.

Dunno about Net-Flix, but I notice the same thing as you on my 1982 Zenith. B-D I got a Blu-Ray for Christmas so I hooked it up to our biggest set. B-)
45 posted on 07/07/2010 10:03:30 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Nowhere Man

Sorry for the double post, dunno how it happened.


46 posted on 07/07/2010 10:04:39 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Netflix has THE MOST annoying pop-up/pop-under ads ever. They are relentless.


47 posted on 07/07/2010 10:06:17 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Jmouse007

The blu-ray nail in the coffin for me is the need to update my systems firmware to watch the ever changing format coupled with the fact that over 90% of my Netflix bluray rentals always had some serious glitch during the best part of the movie. Maybe it is my POS Sharp player but after about 6 months in I changed to standard DVD format and have no problems...


48 posted on 07/07/2010 10:28:01 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: MississippiMan

I think there’s some magic going on between the Panasonic Blu Ray and the Panasonic TV. The inbound signal from my old DVD player SUCKS when played through the new TV, but the inbound signal from my new Panny Blu Ray shows the same DVD in STUNNING quality.

My guess is that there is some rather tremendously capable video signal upgrade processing to make original DVD content more beautiful than it really has a right to be in its original form. My guess: some really smart / fast / well programmed CPU in there is interpolating and smoothing the datastream so that my eyes are well fooled.

I’m a photographer. I use medium format (120) Fuji Velvia (ASA 50) slide film. I’m extremely sensitive to how things look. For example, I have never seen an LCD that was acceptable, which is why I have plasma.

Is it possible to see the difference between DVD and Blu Ray coming through my Panasonic equipment? Yes, but just barely. I have to really look hard. Can I see the difference between a DVD and a Netflix download? Again, Yes, but just barely and I really have to look hard.

The difference is so small that I wouldn’t pay an extra buck for a Blu Ray compared to Netflix streaming. There is no effective difference to my eyes when enjoying the content.

With the show “24” streamed down from Netflix, it is like watching a TV show in a movie theater. REALLY sharper than any TV experience ever for me. But then, I never had (still don’t have) cable.


49 posted on 07/07/2010 11:25:08 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Arizona: Just doing the job 0bamacrats won't do!)
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To: shotgun

As to the quality of your Sharp blu-ray player I can not say,I own a SONY 550s and although it is, relativly speaking, an older player, there have only been 3 frimware updates for me and I am grateful for every one of them. On the positive side, you can update your Blu-ray player and that is an outstanding advantage; Sharp is standing behind their product and it sure beats having to buy a new player.


50 posted on 07/07/2010 11:36:42 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Heavenly Father, deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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