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MICROSOFT KIN BIGGEST FLOP EVER - Only 503 KINís sold in under 3 months
Sim Basics ^ | July 8, 2010

Posted on 07/09/2010 7:41:25 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry

One member of staff at Microsoft working on the KIN project said:

“We had a huge launch party on campus and I bet that party cost more than the amount of revenues we took in on the product. As an employee, I am embarrassed. As a shareholder, I am pissed. It’s one thing to incubate products and bring them to a proof-of-concept to see what works, but it’s something else to launch. I suspect we launched because we felt like we had to so we could save face because we were trying to build buzz, but overall – huge fail”.


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No antenna gripes from the 503 units sold that I'm aware, lol.
1 posted on 07/09/2010 7:41:28 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Neither my kids or I have ever heard of this phone.

Maybe that’s part of the problem.


2 posted on 07/09/2010 7:43:21 PM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I got a flyer in the mail the other day, buy one, get two free.


3 posted on 07/09/2010 7:44:39 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I wonder if Clippy has one.


4 posted on 07/09/2010 7:46:04 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Marie

Well, it wasn’t due to a lack of money spent on advertising the thing. The campaign has been widely panned as “creepy.”

http://vodpod.com/watch/3419318-microsoft-kin-launch-ad-campaign

Here are a couple YouTube vids, the first one is especially weird:

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DCakBlWTwJK0

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DAHD5m4tiJ4o


5 posted on 07/09/2010 7:47:09 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: razorback-bert

I think it is was designed for use by elementary students. Wonder why that didn’t take off?


6 posted on 07/09/2010 7:47:40 PM PDT by GAGOP
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To: RegulatorCountry

KIN as related to whom?


7 posted on 07/09/2010 7:47:47 PM PDT by SkyDancer (A Kangaroo Is Loose In The Top Paddock)
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To: razorback-bert
But, but, but ... it's a social networking cellphone. You can communicate with your friends on Facebook, lol.
8 posted on 07/09/2010 7:48:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

What is a Kin?


9 posted on 07/09/2010 7:48:43 PM PDT by omega4179 (www.jdforsenate.com)
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To: SkyDancer
KIN as related to whom?

Microsoft Bob, apparently.

10 posted on 07/09/2010 7:49:40 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

I had a chance to see the KIN system early on and it was pretty brilliant in the way it operated with sites like Facebook. Very clean, very efficient. It seemed to come at the wrong time. Not my bag of a mobile system (I like the Android OS) but it had several brilliant components.


11 posted on 07/09/2010 7:50:14 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: RegulatorCountry
Let's see, number of Verizon stores in the United States... I'd take a guess that the number is somewhere near 4,000. So only 1 in 8 stores even had a Kin, if the sales amount was only 503. Or perhaps Microsoft provided free Kins to every store, then provided all the inventory for free, and would get paid only for phones that were sold...

Somehow, I think the 503 unit number that's floating around is completely bogus. But if it is a real number, if Microsoft did something unheard of in the cellular industry and did a 100% consignment inventory, only getting paid for units sold and activated, then that person should be served up as a delicious treat to stockholders at the next annual meeting.

12 posted on 07/09/2010 7:50:54 PM PDT by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: omega4179
What is a Kin?

It was Microsoft's rookie mistake of a cellphone. A whopping 503 sold in three months, then scrapped.

13 posted on 07/09/2010 7:51:09 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: tacticalogic
I wonder if Clippy has one.

Ah, Clippy. The lone survivor of Microsoft Bob. I just love the retro look and feel of a cheesy animated GIF. It's like midcentury modern, but on a PC.

14 posted on 07/09/2010 7:53:49 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

OK. That was awkward...


15 posted on 07/09/2010 7:53:53 PM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Does that make the Kin the “next of Bob”?


16 posted on 07/09/2010 7:54:58 PM PDT by mikrofon (My condolences to the family...)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Whatever happened to Bill Gates? Remember the nerdy guy with the glasses that used to shake his legs all the time? Whatever happened to Bill Gates? A bundle of nervous energy who did not know how to dress properly. A guy who went to the Xerox place out in Palo Alto or some such place and stole the idea for the mouse and a graphical interface system. Yeah, that guy.

Whatever happened to Bill Gates? Remember he was one of the richest guys in the world and everybody trembled at how he was about to take over the entire world and make slaves of us all? Whatever happened to that notion?

Microsoft. Big company. Lots of revenue. Dominant positon with respect to the OS. Unstoppable. Behemoth. Colossus. Whatever happened to Bill Gates?

Now we got this really weird guy running Microsoft. Steve Ballmer is his name. Check out the videos. This guy is weird. Even weirder than Bill Gates. What is going to happen to Microsoft in the years ahead?

Remember when Microsoft was going to rule the world? What happened?

17 posted on 07/09/2010 7:56:45 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 43 days away from outliving Francis Gary Powers)
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To: mnehring
It seemed to come at the wrong time.

Maybe they can give them away for signing up to Facebook. They'll make it up on volume, lol.

18 posted on 07/09/2010 7:57:37 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
It was just a test.

I don't know what they learned from it. MS actually does have some innovations, and they kept this low profile to keep the vultures from ripping off their stuff, as per usual.

I find it interesting that Apple and a bunch of others are getting sued because they ripped off RIM (backberry)E-mail applications. RIM was the only one licensed to use it.

19 posted on 07/09/2010 7:57:52 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: RegulatorCountry
so we could save face because we were trying to build buzz, but overall – huge fail”.

Ahh, alas a huge fail...

But not an EPIC FAIL


20 posted on 07/09/2010 7:58:25 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: kingu
Well, there are MS apologists fanning out, claiming as many as 10,000 units now.

Such an improvement!

21 posted on 07/09/2010 7:59:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cold Heat

You can’t “rip off” a licensee unless you’re the licensor, Cold Heat.


22 posted on 07/09/2010 8:01:06 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: mountn man

Quick, somebody send the Bamster some Kin. He needs a few friends.


23 posted on 07/09/2010 8:02:17 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

The ripped of the programming and tech. My guess is they stole it in China.


24 posted on 07/09/2010 8:03:11 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: RegulatorCountry
This news just hit the markets today. The originator and holder of the patent is launching multiple suits. Google too if I recall correctly.
25 posted on 07/09/2010 8:05:07 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: mikrofon
Does that make the Kin the “next of Bob”?

In a manner of speaking, yes. Very clever! They're "Bobbing" for Apple?

26 posted on 07/09/2010 8:05:07 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SamAdams76
"Whatever happened to Bill Gates?"

He discovered Bridge and realized that there was something more fulfilling than computers.

27 posted on 07/09/2010 8:05:45 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: RegulatorCountry

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100709/ntp-sues-apple-google-microsoft-and-others-over-wireless-e-mail/?mod=cnet


28 posted on 07/09/2010 8:07:18 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: SamAdams76
Remember when Microsoft was going to rule the world? What happened?

People just got sick of their $#!+ and are bailing now that there are valid alternatives?

29 posted on 07/09/2010 8:08:47 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Never heard of it until now.

And those ads are psychotic and creepy beyond words.

No wonder this thing bombed. That’s what every girl wants.... to come face to face with all her cyberstalkers.

Y I K E S !!


30 posted on 07/09/2010 8:11:35 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: mountn man

Nice pic, but I’ll actually say something nice about former President Carter. This pic and caption does him a dis-service in associating him with obama in any way. obama is the worst President ever. Former President Carter couldn’t hold a candle to obama, not even in the same league. And yes, I’m old enough to remember waiting in line for gas during the “energy crisis.”


31 posted on 07/09/2010 8:12:03 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: RachelFaith
That’s what every girl wants.... to come face to face with all her cyberstalkers.

I don't think the girls were in on the focus groups. My, my ... when geek chic goes awry.

32 posted on 07/09/2010 8:15:11 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Microsoft Kin - the Obama of smartphones


33 posted on 07/09/2010 8:16:41 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob
Microsoft Kin - the Obama of smartphone

Obama - the vuvuzela of ostensible world leaders.

34 posted on 07/09/2010 8:20:31 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Wow. That’s really disturbing. I wonder how much MS paid their ad agency to come up with this? Hope the account manager loses his job.


35 posted on 07/09/2010 8:20:55 PM PDT by ottbmare (I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I first saw this phone on Engadget.com, and just by the look of it, I had a feeling it would flop. I had no idea it would flop so spectacularly, though...


36 posted on 07/09/2010 8:25:17 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!¬Ē--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: ottbmare
In my opinion as an individual in a marketing field, I'll say with all honesty that ad campaigns from Microsoft have been almost self-consciously parodying themselves since the mid-nineties.

It's like they just can't let go of a certain stereotype of their target market, which apparently is leftover Seattle grunge types who really, really loved the movie Clerks.

It's some sort of myopia borne of proximity to Seattle, I suppose.

37 posted on 07/09/2010 8:32:41 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cold Heat
I find it interesting that Apple and a bunch of others are getting sued because they ripped off RIM (backberry)E-mail applications. RIM was the only one licensed to use it.

I found it interesting that you only mentioned Apple, when NTP is also suing Google, Motorola, LG, HTC and Microsoft. None of them are accused of stealing stuff from RIM, RIM was the first one that got sued by NTP. FWIW, Its critics have said that NTP has consistently inflated the importance of its innovations and that it is the very model of a patent troll, a company that produces no product or service other than licensing demands and lawsuits.(from the NYTimes article.)

The lawsuit between RIM and NTP was settled in 2006. NTP produces nothing but lawsuits. It was founded by a programmer and a lawyer. The programmer died and the lawyer sues people.

The other companies were aware of the lawsuit, and there's a good chance that they designed their email systems to avoid the patents claimed by NTP.

38 posted on 07/09/2010 8:33:48 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

If you enjoy Epic Fail, you need look no further than the odd forays into hardware from Microsoft. They are legion.


39 posted on 07/09/2010 8:34:16 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: kingu
Somehow, I think the 503 unit number that's floating around is completely bogus.

I agree. I think it was a flop, but the only way a national roll out like that only sells 500 phones is if they told the salespeople to slap anyone who tried to buy it.

40 posted on 07/09/2010 8:40:49 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

The only thing I know about this stupid thing is that some schmuck was going around to see all his social networking friends including his irritated looking ex-girlfriend. I still don’t know what that was supposed to mean. And something about updating all your friends on like Facebook or something. Can’t you do that from a regular cellphone anyway? who wants to spend hundreds on a phone to do what you could do before?


41 posted on 07/09/2010 8:47:08 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf aInd dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Richard Kimball
The lawsuit between RIM and NTP was settled in 2006. NTP produces nothing but lawsuits. It was founded by a programmer and a lawyer. The programmer died and the lawyer sues people.

Well, I just read the headline on my news reader and I did say a bunch. Then I posted the relevant article from cnet.

RIM more or less was forced to buy a license to distribute, however it cost them 613 million bucks. With that suit as precedent, the lawyer should have no problems for the rest of his life when he nails Apple and Google. As to the MS phone, it's likely this had something to do with closing it down.

42 posted on 07/09/2010 8:53:22 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: autumnraine
who wants to spend hundreds on a phone to do what you could do before?

Why buy a smart phone at all when you have all that on your computer. Why buy a I-pad?

Why buy bottled imported water for that matter or the Chinese colorful junk at every store.

I gave up trying to figure that out a long time ago.

43 posted on 07/09/2010 8:56:46 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: autumnraine
It's a classic example of the answer to a question that nobody's asked.

You know, like the AMC Pacer or the Flowbee, both of which wildly outsold the Kin despite their oddity.

This illustrates the difference between decent marketing of a poor product on the one hand, and "what the heck were they thinking" marketing of a poor product on the other.

44 posted on 07/09/2010 8:57:41 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cold Heat
As to the MS phone, it's likely this had something to do with closing it down.

Oh, please.

45 posted on 07/09/2010 8:59:40 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Richard Kimball
I think it was a flop, but the only way a national roll out like that only sells 500 phones is if they told the salespeople to slap anyone who tried to buy it.

Well, slap 'em now or slap 'em when they call MS tech support, six of one, a half dozen of the other.

46 posted on 07/09/2010 9:11:07 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Look, this phone had very limited distribution. there was no big roll out except for a private one at the MS campus.

A company the size and power of Microsoft with more than 30 billion in cash on hand would not do this unless the phone was a whim or just a test to see if the tech would cause any interest.

They have more prototype stuff in their basement then Apple ever contemplated, but they are gun-shy and lack Apple's gutsy marketing ploys.

If I were them, I would set up a marketing arm of the company separate from the main business, and just become a majority stockholder. Hire the best talent in marketing and sell crap to willing buyers and tell them it's great because so and so made it.

This sort of marketing is done everyday and the companies come and go but make millions for themselves and totally screw the shareholders when they collapse.

MS could have done this years ago, but it is not in them.

I wonder if they still own that big stake in Apple. Apple was on their knees after their little computer sort of died, and they needed a investor. Guess who did them a favor?

Don't worry about Microsoft. They have made plenty of money selling stuff, but they stayed away from the limelight.

Every now and then they play with a idea, and if they ever land on one that's hot, they will market it. But most people will never connect the dots as to just how it happened.

They are due for another one, and I expect something to come up within a year.

47 posted on 07/09/2010 9:15:12 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: RegulatorCountry

Meanwhile, Apple moves a billion dollars worth of iPads in the same time period.


48 posted on 07/09/2010 9:17:40 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: SamAdams76

“A guy who went to the Xerox place out in Palo Alto or some such place and stole the idea for the mouse and a graphical interface system. Yeah, that guy.”

No, that was the other guy.
Steve Jobs was the one Xerox PARC unwittingly gave a multi trillion dollar idea to, despite the best efforts of the one person, a secretary, who saw what was about to happen if he walked thru that fateful door.
Gates was the one who bought an operating system for $20,000 and turned it into $80,000,000,000 for himself.


49 posted on 07/09/2010 9:23:59 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: ctdonath2
Meanwhile, Apple moves a billion dollars worth of iPads in the same time period.

But, but, but ... it's just a giant iPhone! It doesn't have a keyboard! No stylus! No USB ports! They don't allow porn! Aaaiiieeee!!!

50 posted on 07/09/2010 9:31:13 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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