Egypt: Ramesses II temple unearthed in Upper Egypt

Adnkronos International ^ | Thursday, July 15, 2010 | AKI

[SunkenCiv]

Beni Suef -- Excavations in Upper Egypt's Ehnasia archaeological area in Beni-Sueif recently uncovered the remains of a 3,000 year old temple dating from the reign of ancient Egyptian pharaoh Rameses II.

"Inside the remains of this temple, excavators uncovered ten cartouches of Ramesses II and beneath them a relief saying that the ruler had built this temple for himself in Ehnasia," said the head of Egypt's Supreme Archaeology's Pharaonic Section, Sabri Abdel Aziz in a statement on Thursday.

Ramesses II ruled Egypt from 1279-1213 BC and was the son of Seti I, whose secret 'tomb within a tomb' was uncovered in June by a team of Egyptian archaeologists in the Valley of the Kings in central Egypt.

A collection of mud-brick structures dating to the fourth and fifth century AD were also found at the site of the Ramesses II era temple, according to Aziz.

A collection of terracotta statues depicting Isis, Aphrodite and Horus were found inside along with pots and clay lamps, he said.

The team of archaeologists will continue excavation of the temple during the next archaeological season, Aziz said.

Ramesses II is regarded as one of Egypt's most powerful pharaohs and was nicknamed 'the Great Ancestor' by his successors.

The famous twin temples at Abu Simbel, carved out of the rocks, the Ramesseum at Thebes, and Pi-Ramesses, a city complete with zoo near the old city of Avaris, are among the monuments built during his reign.

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• Human Remains In Ancient Jar A Mystery -- For over 100 years, four blue-glazed jars bearing the nametag of Rameses II (1302-1213 B.C.) were believed to contain the Egyptian pharaoh's bodily organs. But analysis of organic residues scraped from the jars has determined one actually contained an aromatic salve, while a second jar held the organs of an entirely different person who lived around 760 years later... The mystery concerning the jars began in 1905, when they were brought to Paris' Louvre Museum, where they are still housed. Shortly after that time, researchers cut into a packet inside one of the jars and plucked out a piece of heart. The packet is now lost, but from that point on, the containers were labeled as "the canopic jars of Rameses II."

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• Biblical plagues really happened say scientists [ Thera, global warming, yada yada yada ] -- "These coffins were found in the tombs of senior officials of the 18th and 19th dynasties," near Saqqara, Zahi Hawass, the director of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities said on Thursday. "Some coloured unopened coffins dating back to the sixth century BC were found as well as some coffins dating back to the time of Ramses II," who ruled from 1279 to 1213 BC, he said... The Saqqara burial grounds which date back to 2,700 BC and are dominated by the massive bulk of King Zoser's step pyramid -- the first ever built -- were in continuous use until the Roman period, three millenniums later.

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While the results of Ramsey's research may present a compelling reason to revise records for the two millennia when Egypt dominated the Mediterranean world, Hawass remains categorical in his rejection of the technique: "Not even in five thousand years could carbon dating help archeology. We can use other kinds of methods like geoarcheology, which is very important, or DNA, or laser scanning, but carbon dating is useless. This science will never develop. In archeology, we consider carbon dating results imaginary."

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[fieldmarshaldj]

"Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera !"

[Quix]

I wonder if any mention of Moses will be trashed.

[yarddog]

One of the more interesting things about Ramses the Great is he had red hair. I have no idea how they determine it but French scientists using an electron microscope were able to read DNA codes. They also say it is not just a guess. They are certain of it.

At first they found henna on his hair and thought he had dyed it red but it turned out he had just kept it it’s natural color as he aged. He clearly was not what we imagine when we think of ancient Egyptians.

[fieldmarshaldj]

So he was a Viking ? ;-D

[yarddog]

He was probably kin to the Scots and Irish. Also a Jewish friend says that King David is traditionally thought to have had red hair. All the Bible says is he had a ruddy complexion which would go along with red hair.

[valkyry1]

Not even in five thousand years could carbon dating help archeology. .... but carbon dating is useless. This science will never develop. In archeology, we consider carbon dating results imaginary.

I have never seen an authority be so blunt about it, but his thoughts parallel with mine on that topic.

[AdmSmith]

Hawass is disturbed as he was not involved in the study as he is of the opinion that everything about Egypt has to pass him.

You can read the article here http://web.bgu.ac.il/NR/rdonlyres/55DF630A-CCFA-40CD-A069-7A0304D422C5/99415/DatingPharaonicEgyptBruinsScience2012.pdf

“The New Kingdom, which starts with the reign of Ahmose, began between about 1570 and 1544 B.C.E.”

“Finally, some common sense. Ahmose expelled the Hyksos from Egypt during the timeframe above, more than half a century after Santorini blew in 1628bce. The destruction of Minoan trade networks and the depopulation of Western Anatolia due to toxic volcanic ash allowed Hittite expansion and aggression into that area as well as their long-range sack of Babylon circa 1605bce. In other words, three super-powers bit the dust in 50 years; the Minoans, the Babylonians and the Hyksos. The new Egyptian empire would eventually regain enough strength to take on the Hittites at Qadesh and survive to tell about it.”
http://www.ishtarsgate.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1173&p=10877

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks AdmSmith for the PDF. D/Led if for later.

However, the conventional pseudochronology is mistaken — the Middle Kingdom didn’t end until about 1450 BC, and the NK didn’t begin until the time of Saul; the last of the Hyksos Pharaohs was killed by the prophet Samuel, who seemed to need some psych meds most of the time. The first Babylonian period ended at the same time as the Middle Kingdom of Egypt, with the invasion of the Kassites.

Egypt was again occupied between the 18th and 19th dynasties, which were not contiguous. Ramses II lost at, and fled from, Kadesh (in this case, Carchemish), centuries after the time he had supposedly lived and died.

Haremhab’s Contemporaries
http://www.varchive.org/tac/hararch.htm

The Allies of Priam
http://www.varchive.org/dag/trowar.htm

[SunkenCiv]

Among archaeologists, Zahi is all alone in his statement; his statement is based entirely on blind belief and nationalism, with a hint of self-aggrandizement.

[SunkenCiv]

Moses lived nearly a thousand years before Ramses II, so there will be no mention to be trashed.

[SunkenCiv]

The “making of” extra on the DVD version I have is entertaining, on some days moreso than the movie. :’) YB was half-Mongolian, and he joked about being cast as a pharaoh.

[Fresh Wind]

Pharaoh Obama II

[Ditter]

I looked forward to watching the new series on Mummies on the History Channel but was so turned off by the guy you pictured that I doubt that I will watch any more follow up programs. He acted like a total jerk and if it was all an act to make it more interesting, as far as I am concerned, it failed.

[valkyry1]

I dont see anything wrong with his statement, maybe you do. He seems to be more of an authority than anyone here or on other chat boards, so you have your opinion.

"Zahi Hawass, Egyptian archeologist and secretary-general of the Egyptian Supreme Council for Antiquities, strongly disagrees with the use of carbon dating in archeology."

“Carbon-14 dating has a margin of error of 100 years. In order to date Egyptian dynasties, we need to have specific dates; you cannot use carbon dating,” Hawass explained to Al-Masry Al-Youm. “This technique shouldn’t be used at all in making changes to the chronology of the ancient Egypt, not even as a helpful addition.”

[SunkenCiv]

He’s got a really underdeveloped grasp of what incredulity is, and an overdeveloped sense of grandeur. :’) The old Nat Geog stuff on Egypt is much better anyway, but the DVDs generally have a second, newer program on them, featuring guess who. :’)

[SunkenCiv]

You have your opinion about Hawass’ authority; meanwhile, the article linked there merely ends with Zowie’s kooky talk, while a real (as opposed to bureaucratic) Egyptologist welcomes the study. But go ahead and saddle on Zahi Hawass’ ignorant statement because it seems to fit into some preconceived and baseless notion.

[Ditter]

Did you watch the other night and do you know what I mean about how he treated people? I have seen him before and he didn’t act like that. Total jerk!