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Kittens used as bait
WPEC News ^ | 7-21-10 | Juan Carlos Fanjul

Posted on 07/21/2010 3:16:48 PM PDT by FlJoePa

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Lets see...tying helpless kittens up with fishing line to drown them and use them as bait. I guess tying the perps up with piano wire and dredging them through Seaworld (after starving the Killer Whales for a week) would be a nice parallel.
1 posted on 07/21/2010 3:16:54 PM PDT by FlJoePa
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To: FlJoePa

Just about the time I think people are at their worst, they make new lows.


2 posted on 07/21/2010 3:22:12 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: FlJoePa

GRRRRRR.

I ******* HATE people that abuse animals!


3 posted on 07/21/2010 3:23:36 PM PDT by chris37
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To: FlJoePa

Animal cruelty, pedophilia and abortion ... I’d throw these monsters in jail and NEVER let them out!


4 posted on 07/21/2010 3:24:04 PM PDT by Allthegoodusernamesaregone
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To: FlJoePa
When it comes to animal cruelty, there is no excuse for it. Ever. We've rescued cats and horses, even with our limited resoures.

If I had my way, these crimes would be handled in the following manner: the punishment would fit the crime. Always. No exceptions.

5 posted on 07/21/2010 3:24:14 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: FlJoePa

Who does these kinds of things??


6 posted on 07/21/2010 3:25:43 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1

Redneck fishermen.


7 posted on 07/21/2010 3:27:01 PM PDT by FlJoePa
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To: Allthegoodusernamesaregone
Throw them in jail, and we the taxpayers get stuck with the bill for rest of their worthless lives. I suggest some kind of horrible, painful, but relatively quick death...crushing by a bulldozer or Abrams tank comes to mind, for one.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

8 posted on 07/21/2010 3:30:19 PM PDT by wku man (Claire Wolfe's clock is winding down...tick......tick..........tick...............tick..............)
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To: FlJoePa

The more time I spend on Earth, the more I realize that good people are the exception.

Otherwise, people pretty much suck.


9 posted on 07/21/2010 3:30:58 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Allthegoodusernamesaregone

Jail? You got that much extra money lying around?

Do you realize not too long ago many of the things you mentioned would be death penalty crimes?

I tell you if/when the SHTF there is going to be a swift change back to swift, old-time justice.


10 posted on 07/21/2010 3:32:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

When the punishment fits the crime, we’ll see less of both.


11 posted on 07/21/2010 3:33:29 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: wku man

“Throw them in jail, and we the taxpayers get stuck with the bill for rest of their worthless lives. I suggest some kind of horrible, painful, but relatively quick death...crushing by a bulldozer or Abrams tank comes to mind, for one.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!”<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You wouldn’t happen to have a name or an address for this boat owner, would you? I’m not sure if I’m serious. Depends on who’s reading.


12 posted on 07/21/2010 3:34:51 PM PDT by solosmoke
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To: Noumenon

I have a rescue dog, actually I gave him to my granddaughter, but he is the sweetest thing and was abused as a puppy. We have had him three years now and he still has some affects of his puppy hood(certain types of men he will growl at, though he has never tried to bite them, luckily I am not of that type!), but he is obviously very trusting of us. Half black lab, half German short hair.


13 posted on 07/21/2010 3:35:37 PM PDT by calex59
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To: wku man

how’sa ‘bout...use them for bait....


14 posted on 07/21/2010 3:35:56 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo
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To: wku man; Secret Agent Man

A bullet then.. costs just a few pennies :-)


15 posted on 07/21/2010 3:40:46 PM PDT by Allthegoodusernamesaregone
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To: FlJoePa

Several years back, when my oldest was a toddler, there was an article in our paper about a bunch o’ kittens found under a porch, and the local shelter was looking for someone to adopt them.

So, we sauntered on over to the shelter, figuring even if those kittens were adopted already, we would adopt a kitten for our son to pal around with.

We looked at the kittens, they still had a few of the ones that were in the paper, and we were all set to ‘adopt’ the them. Until the adoption cost was explained...

They wanted over $200 for each of the kittens that were in the paper (to pay for their medical treatment), and the other kittens were about $125 I think (just mut cats). Full grown cats were $90 bucks I think.

Well, we are all for ‘adoption’ but the wife and I both thought that was a bit much. We thought we were doing the shelter a favor by offering to adopt them. We didn’t realize that being good of heart also meant dropping a hefty sum of cash on top of it.

We were given quite the guilt treatment, told how they had so many kittens that would probably have to be put down if they weren’t adopted, and the older cats were basically going to be put down if they weren’t adopted ASAP because no one wants an older cat......

I became irate, and explained to the teen aged girl, that we were willing to help out, so the cats wouldn’t have to be put down, but there was no way we were paying that kind of money. She basically sneered at us, her look indicated at that point that she felt as if we weren’t good enough. It was obvious that the whole shelter thing was nothing more than a pet-store, using guilt and threatening death to the animals if we didn’t act NOW.

So my feelings on shelters is now pretty mixed. I don’t know how to take their tactics.

But, we figured one kitten was as good as another when it comes to needing a home. We ended up getting 3 kittens out of the newspaper for free, and they are still with us (although much plumper and lazier).

I know folks complain about pet stores, and pet-mills etc, but I have never had a pet store employee tell me “buy this at an exorbitant price or we’ll have to kill it”, which was really what was going on.


16 posted on 07/21/2010 3:47:58 PM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: FlJoePa

Animal cruelty is a state of mind. It is not about the animal. It is about the intent of the human. If, in the mind of the humans involved, this is strictly about using the best bait, it is not about being cruel to animals. It is about catching fish, aligators, etc.

It is like using live worms. Whether or not it is animal cruelty depends on where you draw the line. Don’t get me wrong. Kittens are not worms, but nor are they human infants.

I know PETA thinks there is no difference, but I do.


17 posted on 07/21/2010 3:50:03 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Secret Agent Man

>>Do you realize not too long ago many of the things you mentioned would be death penalty crimes?<<

Although I agree with that sentiment, the opposite is true as well. At least one of the things mentioned would have stirred no more interest in the general public than driving slightly over the speed limit on occasion would now.


18 posted on 07/21/2010 3:52:53 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy

True, but life was incredibly harder back then. People still would have considered the person cruel and an idiot for doing it. The difference today now too, is that these things come to light and millions of people can know about it. Back then he could do this for decades and people probably may never have found out.


19 posted on 07/21/2010 3:54:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: JSDude1

Deep, dark, vile, vicious people with no souls.


20 posted on 07/21/2010 3:57:06 PM PDT by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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To: FlJoePa
people in the "old" days were much more pragmatic and less sensitive to some things....my fil would immediately drown unwanted kittens...back then, and still today, outdoor cats served a purpose.....they kept the mice at bay....and one farm or plot of land could only support so many cats....

they would place the kittens in a sack, tie a rock around it and throw it in the water....

its not my way, and I couldn't do it...I don't even like to thread a worm...but it was a reasonable practice for some....

21 posted on 07/21/2010 3:57:15 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Retired Greyhound

Couldn’t have said it better myself. I said the same thing yesterday when I was out. Give me pets anytime.


22 posted on 07/21/2010 3:57:52 PM PDT by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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To: esoxmagnum

thats a pretty high fee. Generally I thought it was the cost to spay/neuter, plus some for the shelter’s operating expenses. While I agree that guilt tripping you wasn’t nice, I can sort of understand. It must be hard to see an endless stream of helpless baby animals, plus grown abandoned ones, come in the front door, only to die two weeks later when they didn’t win the selection lottery. And the urge to save just one more through questionable tactics might be understandable. I’ve never been pressured at the shelter, and have adopted several pets there.


23 posted on 07/21/2010 3:58:54 PM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: calex59

My German Shorthair was the best darn dog this side of the Mississippi River!!

He now resides at Rainbow Bridge after 15 years of life with me.


24 posted on 07/21/2010 4:00:52 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: esoxmagnum

They probably thought you were trying to get the kittens for FREE, so you could use them as FISHBAIT.


25 posted on 07/21/2010 4:03:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: RobRoy

Anyone who thinks that their interest in catching fish with the “best bait” is more important than the pain and suffering inflicted on these helpless animals is a sorry excuse for a human being. Survival situation and need to catch food? That’s different. Wanting to catch the biggest bass in the lake? Not so much.


26 posted on 07/21/2010 4:04:36 PM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: FlJoePa
Redneck fishermen.

Hey A-hole, I am a redneck fisherman. Maybe you should learn what redneck really means instead of using it as a pejorative. Whoever did this was sick and evil. Educate yourself.

27 posted on 07/21/2010 4:05:23 PM PDT by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: cherry

Back in my golf pro days, I worked at a club that employed an assistant superintendent that drowned kittens in a bucket (one by one). After letting him know that I would have taken the kittens, paid to have them looked at and eventually spayed and neutered, I stopped associating with him and haven’t spoken a word to him in over 15 years.

I have even seen him in social settings where he would say hello to me and I would simply look at him and shake my head. He knows how I feel and I know how he feels. He doesn’t see anything wrong with it.

I think anyone that doesn’t see anything wrong with it has something wrong with THEM.


28 posted on 07/21/2010 4:05:31 PM PDT by FlJoePa
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To: 999replies

I know what a redneck is. It’s origin is in the mines in WV and the strikes that ensued.

These are redneck fishermen in Florida, not redneck hero miners in WV. Sorry, there’s no way else to describe them other than maybe white trash fishermen.


29 posted on 07/21/2010 4:08:48 PM PDT by FlJoePa
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To: FlJoePa

Babies & kitty cats. My two fav things. This pisses me off. Poor little dears.


30 posted on 07/21/2010 4:10:04 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue
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To: solosmoke
"You wouldn’t happen to have a name or an address for this boat owner, would you?"

No, and it's probably a good thing. I have a hard time feeling any warmth or sympathy for anyone who would harm the truly innocent and/or helpless. Anyone who would harm the unborn, the young, the elderly, and animals deserves whatever horrible, painful, dehumanizing punishment they could possibly receive.

Mind you, this doesn't include harvesting animals for food...but to do what was done to those helpless kittens is not only inhumane, it's inhuman.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

31 posted on 07/21/2010 4:12:16 PM PDT by wku man (Claire Wolfe's clock is winding down...tick......tick..........tick...............tick..............)
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To: FlJoePa

I’m no PETA proponent, but geez, kick the livin’ #Y&* out of this psychos!


32 posted on 07/21/2010 4:14:45 PM PDT by swatbuznik
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To: Secret Agent Man
"I tell you if/when the SHTF there is going to be a swift change back to swift, old-time justice."

Yes, there will.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

33 posted on 07/21/2010 4:18:40 PM PDT by wku man (Claire Wolfe's clock is winding down...tick......tick..........tick...............tick..............)
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To: FlJoePa
Lets see...tying helpless kittens up with fishing line to drown them and use them as bait.

I will admit that I've made humorous comments about using puppies, small dogs and kittens as trolling bait for muskies here in S.E. Michigan but I would never have thought that someone would actually do that.

I'll be the first to shove my way to the front of the line to exact justice on whoever was responsible for this.........In fact I would have set fire to the boat that they were found in.

34 posted on 07/21/2010 4:18:58 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
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There is still a whole sub-culture of humans,or is it culture of sub-humans,who believe cats are to be tortured as a normal part of a boys adolesence.Oddly enough,those boys are still mean and dangerous when they are old.

No wonder God had such a diffcult time finding 10 good people in certain places.

If it is neeeded and necessary to kill,it should be done in the way that inflicts the least suffering on the animal (or human) being killed.People who derive pleasure in the suffering of innocent creatures should be a concern to all others.Even desiring to see or know some vicious criminal suffered is a weakness.

35 posted on 07/21/2010 4:22:13 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: FlJoePa

The question: “Who does these kinds of things??”

Your answer: “Redneck fishermen.”

I didn’t know there was a season on rednecks, much less how to fish for them. Might I ask the basics, like size minimums, bag limits, etc?


36 posted on 07/21/2010 4:23:35 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Then you really don’t want to read this story. It will really piss you off.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2556674/posts


37 posted on 07/21/2010 4:29:29 PM PDT by packrat35 (Planned Parenthood... killing more blacks than the Ku Klux Klan could have ever dreamed of.)
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To: jdub

The animal whackos got together with the usual suspects (commies in offices) and got a shiny “Animal Services” facility passed. Then the “Animal Services” persons began servicing the public. - like a bull services a heifer.

The fees are reasonable if you consider the salaries of the swarm of uniformed whackos servicing the public at the shiny new facility.

Gotta keep whackos off welfare, right?


38 posted on 07/21/2010 4:29:50 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: FlJoePa

White trash is a social standing, not a sick, evil person. God you are dumb, even if you do run to wikipedia to look up ‘redneck’.


39 posted on 07/21/2010 4:31:57 PM PDT by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: FlJoePa

“People” that commit acts like this are likely to do the same things to humans.

I can’t stand that the person(s) who committed this crime will probably get a year or two if even that.

If this were done to my cat there is a good chance that I’d just lose it and beat the guy (and then of course I’d be the bad guy).


40 posted on 07/21/2010 4:33:39 PM PDT by Aglooka (Posting from New Hampshachusetts (Formerly New Hampshire))
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To: cherry

I rented a cottage on a farm for many years. The farmer said that is what he did with most of the kittens. (Burlap sack + rock + pond). I couldn’t do it either. He said his youngest daughter thought for the longest time cats only gave birth to one kitten at a time!


41 posted on 07/21/2010 4:34:22 PM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: esoxmagnum

Same thing happened to me. Was looking for a poodle puppy and thought I would rescue one. The cost from the pound was $300.00 and the cost from the poodle rescue was $400. I looked online and found a rare tri-color for $250 with papers or $200 without. The price made the decision for me.


42 posted on 07/21/2010 4:34:31 PM PDT by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home......)
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To: 21twelve
There is no need to kill unwanted litters year after year unless the farmer or other animal owner is just too cheap and mean to have the female spayed.

Veternary colleges and their students should be sponsoring spaying clinics EXCEPT their graduates are more concerned with keeping the fees high.

In the long run spaying can save a lot of money and aggravation.But liberals in or out of government are more concerned with controlling people than actually helping solve any problems.

43 posted on 07/21/2010 4:45:10 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: 999replies
Hey A-hole, I am a redneck fisherman.

Lighten up Alice, you're not the only one in these parts...........

44 posted on 07/21/2010 4:55:12 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Peanut butter was just peanut butter until I found Free Republic.........)
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To: hoosierham

I’m thinking he wanted a new cat now and then to replace the older ones - rodent control. I’m sure it was a matter of cost, and attitude. Farmers/ranchers have a whole ‘nother attitude towards animals. Not mean - just different.


45 posted on 07/21/2010 5:03:37 PM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: esoxmagnum

It’s unfortunate it didn’t occur to you to ask the little bimbo at the shelter how much they would get for the cats they “put down”.


46 posted on 07/21/2010 5:03:58 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: FlJoePa

OMG those poor babies. I’d take both of them in a heartbeat.


47 posted on 07/21/2010 5:13:16 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: FlJoePa

Lay off the redneck stuff because you have no clue what it means. It DID not originate in WV coal mines it originated from being out in the sun all day manually laboring and having your neck burnt red. Just using the word in that manner is ignorant and degrading to many of us who come from blue collar backgrounds.


48 posted on 07/21/2010 5:20:12 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba
There are many versions of the origin of the term. Here is one:

West Virginia Mine War

I've worked outside over half my adult life. In South Florida. In the summer. I don't need lectured by you or anyone else on my lack of blue collar skills or background.

49 posted on 07/21/2010 5:31:41 PM PDT by FlJoePa
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To: jdub

>>Anyone who thinks that their interest in catching fish with the “best bait” is more important than the pain and suffering inflicted on these helpless animals is a sorry excuse for a human being. <<

I understand where you are coming, but the devil is in the details. Your statement begs a question: Knowing that a kitten does not have the cranial capacity of a human being, nore the living experience necessary to interpret pain the way you or I - or even a just born infant - do, how much pain and suffering do you think is involved regarding using the kitten as bait? How about if it was a baby squirrel or Mouse? Where do we draw the line and who gets to draw that line, and based on what justification.

I guess, what I am saying is that I can think it is disgusting, but I don’t have the authority to stop them, just as a PETA member thinks eating bacon is disgusting but they don’t have the authority to stop me from eating it.

So when does a person or entity have the authority to stop one person from eating or otherwise damaging a non-human animal? My take would be when that animal is someone elses property. It is really all about property rights - at least that is how I read the constitution.


50 posted on 07/21/2010 5:35:20 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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