it that one of the ones without the beaver tail, does it bite??? the .45 carry 12 is likely me next purchase
Posted on 07/24/2010 6:55:21 PM PDT by blackbart.223
I have a Para-Ordnance P12. There are some that claim they have trouble with jams. I never had a problem with mine. Any comments?
I have an older version, a P13 with the Para-Ordnance lower and a Colt Series 70 upper. No problems at all.
I used to have one, it DID jam and had to be sent back to get worked on!
I got rid of it.
it that one of the ones without the beaver tail, does it bite??? the .45 carry 12 is likely me next purchase
1. It's too heavy for my taste, though relatively light for a 1911 variant.
2. about 75% of these ParaOrdnance pistols shoot without problems and if you have one of those, it's a bargain. However, some of them DO jam. It's a "quick and good enough" manufacturing method...so get yours to the range and put NO LESS than 200 rds through it. If you have not problems, you got a good one.
I like the original Colt Officers' Model 1911. And while I like .45 1911's, they are dated (yes, I think John Moses Browning should have a 30ft statue on the Capitol Mall in DC) and prefer, above all, the modern .45s.
Beretta. Sig, HK etc.
Sometimes on a 1911, it becomes finicky about the type of ammo you feed it. Try to feed it something like a truncated cone or a hollow point round, it fails to feed. Feed it 230gr ball, and it might work just fine.
Sometimes, it can be the lips on the mag and how the mag presents the round to the feed ramp.
I’ve had a P12, a regular single-stack LDA Limited, and a Warthog. The only one that had problems was the warthog and I think I caused them by having small hands. I have problems with short barrel .45’s. The P12 I had was problem free.
Never. It is my primary.
So is mine. I never feed anything into it but 230gr fmj's.
Yes and no.
I took to a tactical pistol course. Two hundred and fifty rounds. I did have to clear it once but overall that isn't too bad.
thx... now they are American made too
Debur and polish, debur and polish. When you’re positive you’ve got it all perfect, polish everything 3 more times. If you really know what you’re doing(or don’t mind damaging a few parts and starting over with new ones if you screw up) you can alter the bevels on the extractor and the slope of the feed ramp...ever so slightly. Then polish 3 more times.
Then take it to a range and shoot 500 rounds through it. This might take awhile. Then take it apart and inspect all the wear points, clean until spotless, and re-polish where necessary.
Then shoot another 500 rounds and clean until spotless
If it still jams, get rid of it.
My experience is that most jamming problems can be cured with an extensive break in procedure...assuming it’s not a faulty magazine. 1911s are notorious for requiring much more break-in effort than other pistol designs.
Shorty 1911’s can be finicky. My experience seems to indicate that 100% reliability came with either Commander(4” to 4 1/4” guns,) or full size guns. There are some reliable short guns around, though. It may take a little tuning, or you may have the right ammo already, Ammo, magazine lips, feed ramp, are some of the areas that sometimes need to be looked at. The short 1911’s have a shorter stroke, stiffer springs to make up for a lighter slide, so the return stroke is faster. All those things can make the shorty guns a bit more cranky.
So I've heard. My P12 has been very reliable. But if push comes to shove I have the Smith and Wesson model 19.
Mariner put it well in terms of my own experience. Para’s quality control is not very good. I understand that they’re trying to maintain price point, but IMO, it’s realtively easy to explain a small price increase because of increased material cost. Apologies in the face of failure result in permanent loss of business.
It is my Brother’s only gun. He does not fire it a whole lot but says it has been completely reliable. Not sure what ammo he uses, probably the cheapest he can find.
I have a Toyota. It’s never raced out of control. You?
I’ll match skills with anyone at 45’ ... you choose your stock pistol (no match pistols) and I’ll use my little ‘ol pistol. Let’s see how it turns out.
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