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Taliban: 1 U.S. sailor dead, other captured
Washington Times ^ | 25 JUL 10 | By Rahim Faiez

Posted on 07/25/2010 7:52:29 AM PDT by kbennkc

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- The Taliban have offered to exchange the body of a U.S. Navy sailor they said was killed in an ambush two days ago in exchange for insurgent prisoners, an Afghan official said Sunday.

U.S. and NATO officials confirmed that two American Navy personnel went missing Friday in the eastern province of Logar after an armored sport utility vehicle was seen driving into a Taliban-held area.

In a telephone interview Sunday with the Associated Press, Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said the pair drove into an area under insurgent control, prompting a brief gunfight in which one American was killed and the other was captured. He said both were taken to a "safe area" and "are in the hands of the Taliban."

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: death; military
The announcement of 16 deaths of the finest America has to offer was already burning my eyes when I found this. The propaganda ministry (lame stream media) has been preparing us for negotiations to include the Taliban into the Afghan government. With 50 Al Qaeda in the entire country, I can not understand our tactics let alone our strategy.
1 posted on 07/25/2010 7:52:32 AM PDT by kbennkc
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To: kbennkc
"With 50 Al Qaeda in the entire country, I can not understand our tactics let alone our strategy. "

It used to be called mission creep or wag the dog. Now with the Navy there maybe we are still trying to find a new route to India. In short FUBAR.

2 posted on 07/25/2010 8:15:21 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: kbennkc
We have no strategy and our tactics are reactionary.

This debacle calls to mind those arguments of a few years ago about "you can't say you support the troops if you don't support the mission". Some of us argued that this is pure nonsense, sometimes one has to oppose the mission in order to support the troops. This is one of those times.

3 posted on 07/25/2010 8:22:14 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: All

Turn the Northern provinces in to glass, let god sort them out.


4 posted on 07/25/2010 8:32:35 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: troy McClure

You are absolutely right. We need to wipe out every living thing in those regions and be done with it. There is absolutely no chance of living peacefully with the people in that region. If it were not for air travel I would say leave them alone, but they chose to bring there sick demented perverted cult to us. allah is a joke and all who believe in this fantasy need to be wiped off of the earth. muslims are like retarded children with guns and bombs, wake the hell up America and make islam a capital crime.


5 posted on 07/25/2010 8:39:09 AM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: coon2000; troy McClure

In this order...

Northern Provences
Pakistan
Tehran
Gaza
Mecca


6 posted on 07/25/2010 8:48:52 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: kbennkc
Our strategy is to make Obama look tough in Afghanistan.
Our tactic is to have the media manipulate coverage to effect that.
7 posted on 07/25/2010 8:55:03 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: kbennkc
Fair enough.The body of our dead Sailor,plus our live one, for the bodies of *all* your knuckledragging,pig fornicating pals.
8 posted on 07/25/2010 9:07:39 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Don’t forget Damascus and Pyongyang, those mother effers.


9 posted on 07/25/2010 9:08:19 AM PDT by Levante
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To: mrsmith

Someone posted yesterday (I’m not sure this is true, but it could be checked) that there have been more combat deaths under 18 months of Obama than under 8 years of Bush, but these deaths are simply not getting any press play. Whoever knows where to look for the stats could probably verify this.

Just from what I can see, however, Afghanistan has gone way up.


10 posted on 07/25/2010 9:09:28 AM PDT by livius
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To: kbennkc

God be with that captured Sailor. To be taken alive was about the worst thing one could imagine over there.

regards,


11 posted on 07/25/2010 9:10:03 AM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: troy McClure
Turn the Northern provinces in to glass, let god sort them out.

Huh? Are you seriously proposing that we kill babies and old ladies on such a Hitlerian scale? Instead of doing that, here's a new concept for you: bring the troops back from this quagmire.

12 posted on 07/25/2010 9:13:04 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: troy McClure

That would be to employ the tactics of Genghis Khan, the only foreign leader who had success in Afghanistan


13 posted on 07/25/2010 9:19:58 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: troy McClure
"Turn the Northern provinces in to glass, let god sort them out."

Or we could withdraw and periodically spray their poppy fields with Agent Orange (or any other herbicide) from the air. De-fund the terrorists and let them eat rocks.

14 posted on 07/25/2010 9:28:02 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Flag_This
Or we could withdraw and periodically spray their poppy fields with Agent Orange (or any other herbicide) from the air. De-fund the terrorists and let them eat rocks.

Were we attacked by smackheads?

15 posted on 07/25/2010 9:37:57 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: kbennkc
"Were we attacked by smackheads?"

No, we were attacked by people who financed themselves (at least partially) by raising poppies for opium production. Dead smack-head infidels just count for bonus points.

16 posted on 07/25/2010 9:42:28 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: kbennkc

No, but by eliminating the funding source for the enemy (and their supporters in Pakistan) we might turn them back into starving stone-age thug wannabes...which makes them impotent, irrelevant, and possibly easier to identify for killing.
regards,


17 posted on 07/25/2010 9:43:09 AM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: wtc911

This debacle calls to mind those arguments of a few years ago about “you can’t say you support the troops if you don’t support the mission”. Some of us argued that this is pure nonsense, sometimes one has to oppose the mission in order to support the troops. This is one of those times.

Exactly what is the mission?
Does the President know?
Do the Generals know?
Do the troops know?
Do the citizens of America know?


18 posted on 07/25/2010 9:54:50 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Thunder 6; Flag_This
I understand the killing the buffalo tactic has been effective, but who wants to homestead the place?
19 posted on 07/25/2010 10:19:02 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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"...but who wants to homestead the place?"

If the stories are true about the mineral deposits they found, I bet the Chinese would sign up for 160 free acres.

20 posted on 07/25/2010 10:23:17 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Flag_This
If the stories are true about the mineral deposits they found, I bet the Chinese would sign up for 160 free acres.

I hope the stories are true and it leads to development and prosperity for the Afghans. I fear the stories are a cynical hoax to convince some there is something in that hell hole worth fight for, played by the same rats who claimed President Bush was waging war for oil.

21 posted on 07/25/2010 10:37:48 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: kbennkc
Now with the Navy there maybe we are still trying to find a new route to India.

Any word on the identity of the sailors? Or their rank and rates?

From the details of what happened, I'm guessing they weren't corpsmen or special warfare. They were probably Individual Augmentee (IA). There's a lot of this these days. IA sailors are ones that for whichever bit of bad luck came their way, they were selected to go to Iraq or, most commonly these days, Afghanistan. Prior to deployment, they're sent off to Ft. Bliss or some other INCONUS training installation and given a very abbreviated lesson in soldiering. Then it's off to Afghanistan were they provide behind the lines administrative support that frees up the Army and Marines for combat duties.

As far as I know, no IA sailors have been KIA yet. Navy combat deaths have tended to be limited to corpsman and special warfare but I could be wrong. This might be a first.

22 posted on 07/25/2010 10:40:19 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

The IA’s usually train at Ft. Lewis, WA depending on what their mission “in-theater” is going to be.

regards,


23 posted on 07/25/2010 10:44:34 AM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: kbennkc

The Chinese, if we aren’t careful...
regards,


24 posted on 07/25/2010 10:45:21 AM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: Thunder 6
The IA’s usually train at Ft. Lewis, WA depending on what their mission “in-theater” is going to be.

We had one in our command train at Ft. Bliss and another at Ft. Bragg. Looks like there are many installations that provide IA training according to the Navy IA website.

25 posted on 07/25/2010 11:06:21 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

We have a Navy Det here at Lewis who works with us when we have Navy units coming through (mostly Gitmo and Medical teams for Centcom)...we give them hell for that snazzy blue camo uni they wear ;)

You’re right though, others do go through Bliss and Benning I think.
regards,


26 posted on 07/25/2010 11:13:05 AM PDT by Thunder 6
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we give them hell for that snazzy blue camo uni they wear

Don't laugh! The new NWU allows us to hide in the ocean! LOL!

Of course, I'll never complain about any uniform that I can wear straight from the dryer.

27 posted on 07/25/2010 11:33:39 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: SECURE AMERICA
The mission is set by the CIC. He has not articulated a coherent, achievable mission statement. In the absence of a clear goal one abhors the expenditure of human resources. In this case one supports the troops by calling for an end to their commitment in furtherance of an undefined mission.

_________________________

IOW...bring them home now.

28 posted on 07/25/2010 11:47:33 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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Huh? Are you seriously proposing that we kill babies and old ladies on such a Hitlerian scale?

It should be remembered that the Soviets killed a million Afghans. Look where that got 'em.

29 posted on 07/25/2010 11:56:52 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: kbennkc
RFID chips planted on any A-Q prisoners released.

Track them back to their hide outs and exterminate with extreme prejudice.

30 posted on 07/25/2010 12:01:54 PM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: Drew68

I’m torn...as an ‘old-timer’ I think we look like duffle bags (sea bags to you), but it sure is nice not starching uni’s, and polishing boots!

regards,


31 posted on 07/25/2010 6:11:22 PM PDT by Thunder 6
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