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My company may go union...now what?

Posted on 08/01/2010 2:51:29 PM PDT by Yorlik803

I came home from work monday to find a letter from the Teamsters saying that one of my co-workers expressed interest in the union coming in and setting up shop. After first swearing to find the moron who wrote the Teamsters and have a little talk with him, It came to me that this might really happen. The other day the owners had a labor lawyer come in and tell the managers and owners what can happen, including threats, vandalism, giant inflatable rats in front of their homes and other stuff. I admit that my company could maybe pay a little more, but this is the same place that bent over backwards to advoid laying off people in the winter, and scraped up enough to pay Christmas bonuses. Am I silly to give them a little loyality? They have been decent to me and I bear them no malice. My bosses are nice guys. They realize we bust our rear ends and that sometimes we take a little downtime to shoot the breeze. And if we are all caught up, they even join in and talk about women, guns and life in general. With a union, all this ends. They have to become hardasses because if they dont, they will be fired and replaced with people who dont know or care about us. I am asking the question to all those who have been thru this: What can I and my co-workers expect? There have been rumblings that the company might even shut down to advoid dealing with the union. Thanks in advance for all those who answer and can offer advice.


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1 posted on 08/01/2010 2:51:31 PM PDT by Yorlik803
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To: Yorlik803

I might also add that I am not for unions and really against the Teamsters. I am a rocked ribbed Conservative. I dont want to deal with thugs and threats.
This whole thing is very destressing.


2 posted on 08/01/2010 2:55:11 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Yorlik803

Don’t join...I didn’t....but I was a woman...and apparently they don’t break women’s legs.


3 posted on 08/01/2010 2:55:30 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Yorlik803
a letter from the Teamsters saying that one of my co-workers expressed interest in the union coming in and setting up shop.

Probably lying and sent the exact same letter to every other one of your coworkers. I'd quietly take it to management and tell them you're willing to keep your eyes open and point out anyone in the shop who expresses a desire to join.
4 posted on 08/01/2010 2:55:36 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Yorlik803

Keep your mouth shut, your eyes and ears open, and vote the union down if you can. Update your resume, pay down your bills, and start looking for a new job and a possible buyer for your home if you have to move.


5 posted on 08/01/2010 2:56:19 PM PDT by Dem Guard (The + IRS = Theirs)
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To: Yorlik803

Resist with all your might. Don’t ask management to assist in that process - lobby EVERYONE to vote no. Find out how much the dues is & tell EVERYONE who would be in the bargaining unit how much their salary will be reduced to pay that. Remind EVERYONE that the union only serves the union - not their constituents. Remind everyone that there is already a process to have their grievances heard via company policy. Remind everyone that unions are a creeping cancer on an organization - increasing costs which are past onto the consumer. Remind everyone that good performance isn’t rewarded under union contract - mediocrity is the rule.

Do all you can.


6 posted on 08/01/2010 2:56:41 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Yorlik803

If your company goes Union, unless you are in a Right to Work state you really have no choice but to join. The FReepers who are telling you to quit your job aren’t going to turn around and offer to pay your bills for you.


7 posted on 08/01/2010 2:58:27 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: Yorlik803

Discuss this issue with you boss and, if possible, with his boss. To hold a vote a certain percentage of the workers must express a desire to have a union. I am pretty certain that number is not one. If a vote is held, do not be afraid to express what you wrote to your coworkers. Many of them may think as you do and, conclude as you have concluded, that a union doesn’t do much for you, that is only does things for the union thugs.


8 posted on 08/01/2010 2:59:18 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: Yorlik803

Teamsters local 705 has been on strike for a long time, the union has been busted at that place haha, the union pays 3 people to walk around with signs and they are getting nowhere LOL!When it’s cold or rainy they stick their signs in the dirt and leave, nice use of union funds, they deserve what they get.


9 posted on 08/01/2010 3:00:36 PM PDT by X-FID
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To: anniegetyourgun
We had a UMW organizing attempt at the coal mine I managed in 1982. One of the foremen had put the moves on the woman who operated our truck scale and she complained.

I fired him and tried to make amends with her but it didn't slow things down.

It was a bitch of a time; we had to let the union guy move into our office and provide him employee contact, etc. It took six months to get rid of him.

10 posted on 08/01/2010 3:01:14 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Yorlik803

Talk about it with your colleagues, don’t be silent, and don’t be afraid to mention the potential for intimidation and corruption.

The one poster is correct - the teamsters probably sent the same letter to every outfit. Union organizers are actually the laziest b@stards out there, which is why they rely on 1) Gov’t and politicians, and 2) apathy, and 3) fear and silence to do their work for them.


11 posted on 08/01/2010 3:02:30 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I understand....believe me, I do.


12 posted on 08/01/2010 3:05:29 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Yorlik803

Can you educate your co-workers and managers on the destructive and thug behavior of unions: running Detroit automakers into the ground, making Harleys more expensive than they have to be, higher taxes and dumber kids in public schools, etc..


13 posted on 08/01/2010 3:05:54 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Yorlik803
Go here No Union

The fellow co-worker was probably a union mole or a stooge.

14 posted on 08/01/2010 3:07:06 PM PDT by Popman
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To: Yorlik803
Run for office (or whatever it's called in a union).

Infiltrate.

Own the infrastructure.

Destroy it from the inside when the time is right.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

15 posted on 08/01/2010 3:14:02 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Yorlik803

You’re going to have two sets of bosses: your company bosses and your team-o bosses.

From time to time, you’ll be forced to walk a picket line in support of people who are trying to unionize and in support of other teamsters at other companies with whom you have nothing in common, other than the fact that all of you are teamsters.

Picket lines are inherently dangerous. If you are ever forced to walk on one, and you will be, never let your guard down. Guys get killed on picket lines.

It almost happened to me once. I had been walking on this particular picket line all day. Against a company I had never heard of, whose workers were trying to unionize. I was bored out of my mind, hating every second of it, not paying attention, walking back and forth, back and forth across this little driveway. Suddenly someone yelled, “LOOK OUT!” and I looked up and saw this full size pink caddy bearing straight down on me at 40 mph or so. I dove out of the way and his bumper grazed my foot. The SOB actually tried to run me down and he didn’t know me from Adam. Turns out it was the company president.


16 posted on 08/01/2010 3:14:20 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: Yorlik803

Ask your co-workers, what did the unions do to Detroit? The UAW killed the jobs in that town.............are you next?


17 posted on 08/01/2010 3:14:32 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: Yorlik803

DON’T SIGN ANYTHING! Talk to your coworkers to keep them from SIGNING ANYTHING! If the union gets 30% the NLRB can hold an election. It’s up to you and like minded coworkers to stop this. If you have any questions call the NLRB.


18 posted on 08/01/2010 3:15:43 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Yorlik803
I worked in Management for a company for half my life that was "run" by Teamsters.

A lot of the guys were truly good fellows with good work ethics and great attitudes.

The truth though is, that the Teamsters are a very destructive force for companies.

Here in New England so many companies have gone under because of these thugs.

To name a few....St. Johnsbury Trucking, Pilot, Red Ball, Stones, ....

There are dozens, just around here in the greater Boston area.

I Googled a bit for some items but I do not have the time to weed through the Teamster sympathetic posters who swear by God that all for profit Companies are essentially evil incarnate.

19 posted on 08/01/2010 3:16:43 PM PDT by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: Yorlik803

Your job will be in China in two years.


20 posted on 08/01/2010 3:18:05 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: Yorlik803

If they come on your property call the police. If it’s obvious they are not going to win they will move on. They are lazy, lame people who only go for the low hanging fruit.


21 posted on 08/01/2010 3:18:54 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Artemis Webb

you are not forced to join a union even if they win since you an existing employee.
in many states you can opt out.
contact your bosses and notify them you have been harrassed by the union which is illegal and
notify them it was just one person that contacted them.

the union must have more than one person to force a vote so it smells like a set up and lies about how many people contacted the union which is common.

fight the teamster .its easy to win but you must
staY ORGRANIZED.


22 posted on 08/01/2010 3:20:23 PM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: ncalburt

A group of employees tried to bring in a union where I used to work. A group of us (anti-union) attended their meetings. They knew we were anti, but can’t keep you out. No help from management. But it lets you know what they are up to. Easier to fight them that way. Stay armed if possible. They’ll use violence. Stay in groups (we did). You can fight them. Be armed with knowledge of what changes the union will make. Don’t be afraid to rat out rats.


23 posted on 08/01/2010 3:26:34 PM PDT by TStro
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To: Artemis Webb
If your company goes Union, unless you are in a Right to Work state you really have no choice but to join.

Not true, but you will have to pay an administrative fee or some part of the union dues. You don't have to join and you have Beck Rights which means you do not have to pay political campaign contributions.

24 posted on 08/01/2010 3:27:26 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Yorlik803
notify your boss that IT WAS ONE PERSON.
NOTIFY your boss that the union is harassing you which is illegal.
have coworkers also notify the boss of unwanted contact.
your not forced to join a union and even if they win the vote you can opt out.

its very easy to stop this union crap. at my work place there is always some push and the staff just complains about the union harassment and they go away for a few years .
but get organized and work with your bosses to
stop these goon.
the unions will lie about how many people contacted them until you force them to prove it .
but the union vermin will be hiding ready to pounce thanks to thanks to the Dumbo coworker.

25 posted on 08/01/2010 3:28:33 PM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: Yorlik803
The reality is that the unions never play fair, at least in my experience. I worked for a non-union company in southern California in the 1980’s. The union tried very hard to unionize our staff. They promised them they would double their wages, even though we were paying higher than the union guys were earning for the same job down the street. They picketed our building with signs that implied our own employees were on strike when we weren't even unionized. And so on. Our strategy was to talk openly and often with our employees and tell them the facts. In the end we prevailed. Our people simply didn't buy the union propaganda.
26 posted on 08/01/2010 3:29:15 PM PDT by JayNorth
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To: Yorlik803
...but this is the same place that bent over backwards to advoid laying off people in the winter, and scraped up enough to pay Christmas bonuses.

And remind your co-workers of this.

If your wo5rking conditions are safe and the company meets all the conditions required by law as minimum, you don't need an onion (sic).

27 posted on 08/01/2010 3:30:41 PM PDT by and so? (If it angers you, a sarcasm or irony tag after everything I post should be assumed)
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To: TStro

they try to do that every few years at my office too and its always stopped but the unions are like roaches.


28 posted on 08/01/2010 3:31:06 PM PDT by ncalburt (e)
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To: ncalburt

The magic number is 30% to hold a vote, then they need 50+1% to prevail.


29 posted on 08/01/2010 3:35:07 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Yorlik803

Where I work, when the union came in, we immediately ceased to receive merit or longevity increases. Now, everybody, no matter how useless, gets the same straight percentage increase and we often go two or three years with a contract or increase of any kind.

The union sucks.


30 posted on 08/01/2010 3:35:19 PM PDT by Poser (Enjoying tasty animals for 58 years)
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I have been very vocal against unions. I tell these younger guys that you might think unions are good,but what good are they when you are on the dole?
Unions serve unions. They are unlike parasite because parasite have to keep the host alive. Unions are cancer. They kill everything they touch.
What really scares me is the violence. The Teamsters are not playing around. I dont worry so much for myself because I am a single, heavily armed male. Its the family guys that might start getting bricks tossed thru their window, tires slashed and late night phone calls.
I have never been in a union. I never wanted to be in a union. Unions goes against everything that America stands for.


31 posted on 08/01/2010 3:38:51 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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Unless things have changed, they will ask the workers to sign something saying they want to heat the union’s side of the story. They will lie to say what is signed commits no one to anything. Enough signatures will force the company to allow them onto company property to work on the workers.

As someone else said, sign nothing.


32 posted on 08/01/2010 3:41:23 PM PDT by decimon
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To: Yorlik803

Get a good labor lawyer.


33 posted on 08/01/2010 3:45:34 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Yorlik803

What does the company you work for produce?


34 posted on 08/01/2010 3:49:04 PM PDT by OCC
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To: The Comedian
The unions follow the tradition of rising through the chairs. So do the Democrats which is why you occasionally see totally corrupt, but elderly, new candidates for Congress in Chicago ~ it's "their turn".

It's very difficult to infiltrate and bust through that kind of structure without finding someone to walk into a central committee meeting wearing a suicide belt or something and just removing the whole local structure.

The alternative is to do the organizing yourself but that only works with "office workers".

35 posted on 08/01/2010 4:09:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PGR88

Just say you dont like unions because your union dues shouldnt be going to political candidates who may be pro abortion or anti capitalist. There was a teacher who wanted all her union dues back because she was pro life and her union was giving money to a pro choice candidate and she actually won the lawsuit.


36 posted on 08/01/2010 4:11:00 PM PDT by mriguy67
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To: Yorlik803

Unions, due to crooked leaders are declining except in government areas. Its no shock that unions due well getting entrenched in government jobs. They are assisted by crooked politicians that receive money from their union thug conterparts for campaigns.

Private sector union members are only as good to deal with as their leaders and unfortunately in most cases those leaders are corrupt.

Right now the taxpayers are on the hook for exorbitant pension payouts to government union members by virtue of union thugs.

Not a pretty picture.


37 posted on 08/01/2010 4:24:47 PM PDT by hgro (Jerry Riversdun)
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To: Yorlik803

A company I used to work for successfully fought unions several times by the distribution of anonymous educational cartoons. They contained info showing how the comapny provided for employees. How much union dues cost vs the benefits the employees got. How much freedom the employees give up. And how the union recruits internal people to talk up the union to get special benefits not offerred to everyone else.

It was very effective. But what the company also did overall was basically set up a union style program of elected employees to bargain with the company and from an outside perspective make the need for a union mute.


38 posted on 08/01/2010 5:09:29 PM PDT by call meVeronica
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To: OCC

My company sells construction materal.Drywall, lumber and stuff like that.


39 posted on 08/01/2010 5:43:14 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: call meVeronica
mute moot.

Sorry. Character flaw on my part. Every time I see or hear that mistake I have an irresistable urge to correct it.

40 posted on 08/01/2010 5:43:47 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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Sorry. Character flaw on my part. Every time I see or hear that mistake I have an irresistable urge to correct it.

That's irresistible.

41 posted on 08/01/2010 5:51:41 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Artemis Webb; Yorlik803
If your company goes Union, unless you are in a Right to Work state you really have no choice but to join. The FReepers who are telling you to quit your job aren’t going to turn around and offer to pay your bills for you.

This is really good advice. Don't make any rash moves. If you don't want the union, then lobby your fellow co-workers. You are in a campaign my FRiend.

We had an organizing drive at our company. We played by the rules (the company must handle itself properly). Sounds like they got an law firm to guide them. That is what I did. In the end the union did not win the vote.

It sounds like the owners of your company runs things properly. Treat your employees right and the union usually does not get in. Even the unions know that. But nobody should think there are not companies out there that deserve what they get the way they treat their employees. I sat in clubs with a bunch of them. They always asked why our output was so much higher. I told them because I don't treat my employees like garbage.

Likely a couple of employees have approached the union. I doubt it is like others on here have said that the union just showed up. Those employees have the right to try and organize and the company. The company owners should and must respect that. This is America.

42 posted on 08/01/2010 9:09:26 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Generally I don’t agree with all of that but you have it pretty close. The basic message is get out there and campaign. It sounds like you have been through it, like experience is speaking.


43 posted on 08/01/2010 9:11:51 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: Rocky
Now why did it give me a wrong spelling on the spell check?

I did check, and I did see the correct spelling there too. I thought it meant that either was correct, but it was probably its way of saying “do you want to spell it the right way, or do you want to leave it as is, you moron?”

I picked my pet nit. I won't begrudge you yours. (But I will be extra-careful with the spell check this time.)

44 posted on 08/01/2010 9:11:51 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: bmwcyle
Your job will be in China in two years.

And a year after being there some egghead from corporate will fly in and tell you he is turning the China operations over to a Chinese National. He will brag back at the home office he saved your $150,000 salary and then find he has cost the company a million or so in either bad quality product or sales going out the back door.

45 posted on 08/01/2010 9:17:34 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: Gil4

Just wait until you are in a heated debate with someone and they then use your spelling error as a point against you.


46 posted on 08/01/2010 9:19:39 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: Yorlik803
you can only do what you can do....its up to a simple majority IIRC to first vote to look into a union and then another vote to actually vote it in....

you may try reminding your coworkers about the bonuses and the non layoffs in tough times.....

I am forced to belong to a union and I hate it......it is what it is......

they swear they won't use union dues for politics but they find ways around it....

47 posted on 08/01/2010 9:24:13 PM PDT by cherry
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To: gunsequalfreedom

I was in a heated debate. Moot/mute is a serious issue! :-)


48 posted on 08/02/2010 10:48:50 AM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: Gil4
I got into a serious issue over my habit of forgetting “?” and spelling “ridiculous” incorrectly.
49 posted on 08/02/2010 12:20:47 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: Yorlik803
Am I silly to give them a little loyalty?

Don't be fooled....Companies have little or no loyalty left for their employees...They'll replace you in a minute with a lower wage employee if possible, or just out source your job, and say, "See ya."

50 posted on 08/02/2010 12:27:55 PM PDT by dragnet2
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