Skip to comments.My company may go union...now what?
Posted on 08/01/2010 2:51:29 PM PDT by Yorlik803
I came home from work monday to find a letter from the Teamsters saying that one of my co-workers expressed interest in the union coming in and setting up shop. After first swearing to find the moron who wrote the Teamsters and have a little talk with him, It came to me that this might really happen. The other day the owners had a labor lawyer come in and tell the managers and owners what can happen, including threats, vandalism, giant inflatable rats in front of their homes and other stuff. I admit that my company could maybe pay a little more, but this is the same place that bent over backwards to advoid laying off people in the winter, and scraped up enough to pay Christmas bonuses. Am I silly to give them a little loyality? They have been decent to me and I bear them no malice. My bosses are nice guys. They realize we bust our rear ends and that sometimes we take a little downtime to shoot the breeze. And if we are all caught up, they even join in and talk about women, guns and life in general. With a union, all this ends. They have to become hardasses because if they dont, they will be fired and replaced with people who dont know or care about us. I am asking the question to all those who have been thru this: What can I and my co-workers expect? There have been rumblings that the company might even shut down to advoid dealing with the union. Thanks in advance for all those who answer and can offer advice.
I might also add that I am not for unions and really against the Teamsters. I am a rocked ribbed Conservative. I dont want to deal with thugs and threats.
This whole thing is very destressing.
Don’t join...I didn’t....but I was a woman...and apparently they don’t break women’s legs.
Keep your mouth shut, your eyes and ears open, and vote the union down if you can. Update your resume, pay down your bills, and start looking for a new job and a possible buyer for your home if you have to move.
Resist with all your might. Don’t ask management to assist in that process - lobby EVERYONE to vote no. Find out how much the dues is & tell EVERYONE who would be in the bargaining unit how much their salary will be reduced to pay that. Remind EVERYONE that the union only serves the union - not their constituents. Remind everyone that there is already a process to have their grievances heard via company policy. Remind everyone that unions are a creeping cancer on an organization - increasing costs which are past onto the consumer. Remind everyone that good performance isn’t rewarded under union contract - mediocrity is the rule.
Do all you can.
If your company goes Union, unless you are in a Right to Work state you really have no choice but to join. The FReepers who are telling you to quit your job aren’t going to turn around and offer to pay your bills for you.
Discuss this issue with you boss and, if possible, with his boss. To hold a vote a certain percentage of the workers must express a desire to have a union. I am pretty certain that number is not one. If a vote is held, do not be afraid to express what you wrote to your coworkers. Many of them may think as you do and, conclude as you have concluded, that a union doesn’t do much for you, that is only does things for the union thugs.
Teamsters local 705 has been on strike for a long time, the union has been busted at that place haha, the union pays 3 people to walk around with signs and they are getting nowhere LOL!When it’s cold or rainy they stick their signs in the dirt and leave, nice use of union funds, they deserve what they get.
I fired him and tried to make amends with her but it didn't slow things down.
It was a bitch of a time; we had to let the union guy move into our office and provide him employee contact, etc. It took six months to get rid of him.
Talk about it with your colleagues, don’t be silent, and don’t be afraid to mention the potential for intimidation and corruption.
The one poster is correct - the teamsters probably sent the same letter to every outfit. Union organizers are actually the laziest b@stards out there, which is why they rely on 1) Gov’t and politicians, and 2) apathy, and 3) fear and silence to do their work for them.
I understand....believe me, I do.
Can you educate your co-workers and managers on the destructive and thug behavior of unions: running Detroit automakers into the ground, making Harleys more expensive than they have to be, higher taxes and dumber kids in public schools, etc..
The fellow co-worker was probably a union mole or a stooge.
Own the infrastructure.
Destroy it from the inside when the time is right.
You’re going to have two sets of bosses: your company bosses and your team-o bosses.
From time to time, you’ll be forced to walk a picket line in support of people who are trying to unionize and in support of other teamsters at other companies with whom you have nothing in common, other than the fact that all of you are teamsters.
Picket lines are inherently dangerous. If you are ever forced to walk on one, and you will be, never let your guard down. Guys get killed on picket lines.
It almost happened to me once. I had been walking on this particular picket line all day. Against a company I had never heard of, whose workers were trying to unionize. I was bored out of my mind, hating every second of it, not paying attention, walking back and forth, back and forth across this little driveway. Suddenly someone yelled, “LOOK OUT!” and I looked up and saw this full size pink caddy bearing straight down on me at 40 mph or so. I dove out of the way and his bumper grazed my foot. The SOB actually tried to run me down and he didn’t know me from Adam. Turns out it was the company president.
Ask your co-workers, what did the unions do to Detroit? The UAW killed the jobs in that town.............are you next?
DON’T SIGN ANYTHING! Talk to your coworkers to keep them from SIGNING ANYTHING! If the union gets 30% the NLRB can hold an election. It’s up to you and like minded coworkers to stop this. If you have any questions call the NLRB.
A lot of the guys were truly good fellows with good work ethics and great attitudes.
The truth though is, that the Teamsters are a very destructive force for companies.
Here in New England so many companies have gone under because of these thugs.
To name a few....St. Johnsbury Trucking, Pilot, Red Ball, Stones, ....
There are dozens, just around here in the greater Boston area.
I Googled a bit for some items but I do not have the time to weed through the Teamster sympathetic posters who swear by God that all for profit Companies are essentially evil incarnate.
Your job will be in China in two years.
If they come on your property call the police. If it’s obvious they are not going to win they will move on. They are lazy, lame people who only go for the low hanging fruit.
you are not forced to join a union even if they win since you an existing employee.
in many states you can opt out.
contact your bosses and notify them you have been harrassed by the union which is illegal and
notify them it was just one person that contacted them.
the union must have more than one person to force a vote so it smells like a set up and lies about how many people contacted the union which is common.
fight the teamster .its easy to win but you must
A group of employees tried to bring in a union where I used to work. A group of us (anti-union) attended their meetings. They knew we were anti, but can’t keep you out. No help from management. But it lets you know what they are up to. Easier to fight them that way. Stay armed if possible. They’ll use violence. Stay in groups (we did). You can fight them. Be armed with knowledge of what changes the union will make. Don’t be afraid to rat out rats.
Not true, but you will have to pay an administrative fee or some part of the union dues. You don't have to join and you have Beck Rights which means you do not have to pay political campaign contributions.
its very easy to stop this union crap. at my work place there is always some push and the staff just complains about the union harassment and they go away for a few years .
but get organized and work with your bosses to
stop these goon.
the unions will lie about how many people contacted them until you force them to prove it .
but the union vermin will be hiding ready to pounce thanks to thanks to the Dumbo coworker.
And remind your co-workers of this.
If your wo5rking conditions are safe and the company meets all the conditions required by law as minimum, you don't need an onion (sic).
they try to do that every few years at my office too and its always stopped but the unions are like roaches.
The magic number is 30% to hold a vote, then they need 50+1% to prevail.
Where I work, when the union came in, we immediately ceased to receive merit or longevity increases. Now, everybody, no matter how useless, gets the same straight percentage increase and we often go two or three years with a contract or increase of any kind.
The union sucks.
I have been very vocal against unions. I tell these younger guys that you might think unions are good,but what good are they when you are on the dole?
Unions serve unions. They are unlike parasite because parasite have to keep the host alive. Unions are cancer. They kill everything they touch.
What really scares me is the violence. The Teamsters are not playing around. I dont worry so much for myself because I am a single, heavily armed male. Its the family guys that might start getting bricks tossed thru their window, tires slashed and late night phone calls.
I have never been in a union. I never wanted to be in a union. Unions goes against everything that America stands for.
Unless things have changed, they will ask the workers to sign something saying they want to heat the union’s side of the story. They will lie to say what is signed commits no one to anything. Enough signatures will force the company to allow them onto company property to work on the workers.
As someone else said, sign nothing.
Get a good labor lawyer.
What does the company you work for produce?
It's very difficult to infiltrate and bust through that kind of structure without finding someone to walk into a central committee meeting wearing a suicide belt or something and just removing the whole local structure.
The alternative is to do the organizing yourself but that only works with "office workers".
Just say you dont like unions because your union dues shouldnt be going to political candidates who may be pro abortion or anti capitalist. There was a teacher who wanted all her union dues back because she was pro life and her union was giving money to a pro choice candidate and she actually won the lawsuit.
Unions, due to crooked leaders are declining except in government areas. Its no shock that unions due well getting entrenched in government jobs. They are assisted by crooked politicians that receive money from their union thug conterparts for campaigns.
Private sector union members are only as good to deal with as their leaders and unfortunately in most cases those leaders are corrupt.
Right now the taxpayers are on the hook for exorbitant pension payouts to government union members by virtue of union thugs.
Not a pretty picture.
A company I used to work for successfully fought unions several times by the distribution of anonymous educational cartoons. They contained info showing how the comapny provided for employees. How much union dues cost vs the benefits the employees got. How much freedom the employees give up. And how the union recruits internal people to talk up the union to get special benefits not offerred to everyone else.
It was very effective. But what the company also did overall was basically set up a union style program of elected employees to bargain with the company and from an outside perspective make the need for a union mute.
My company sells construction materal.Drywall, lumber and stuff like that.
Sorry. Character flaw on my part. Every time I see or hear that mistake I have an irresistable urge to correct it.
This is really good advice. Don't make any rash moves. If you don't want the union, then lobby your fellow co-workers. You are in a campaign my FRiend.
We had an organizing drive at our company. We played by the rules (the company must handle itself properly). Sounds like they got an law firm to guide them. That is what I did. In the end the union did not win the vote.
It sounds like the owners of your company runs things properly. Treat your employees right and the union usually does not get in. Even the unions know that. But nobody should think there are not companies out there that deserve what they get the way they treat their employees. I sat in clubs with a bunch of them. They always asked why our output was so much higher. I told them because I don't treat my employees like garbage.
Likely a couple of employees have approached the union. I doubt it is like others on here have said that the union just showed up. Those employees have the right to try and organize and the company. The company owners should and must respect that. This is America.
Generally I don’t agree with all of that but you have it pretty close. The basic message is get out there and campaign. It sounds like you have been through it, like experience is speaking.
I did check, and I did see the correct spelling there too. I thought it meant that either was correct, but it was probably its way of saying “do you want to spell it the right way, or do you want to leave it as is, you moron?”
I picked my pet nit. I won't begrudge you yours. (But I will be extra-careful with the spell check this time.)
And a year after being there some egghead from corporate will fly in and tell you he is turning the China operations over to a Chinese National. He will brag back at the home office he saved your $150,000 salary and then find he has cost the company a million or so in either bad quality product or sales going out the back door.
Just wait until you are in a heated debate with someone and they then use your spelling error as a point against you.
you may try reminding your coworkers about the bonuses and the non layoffs in tough times.....
I am forced to belong to a union and I hate it......it is what it is......
they swear they won't use union dues for politics but they find ways around it....
I was in a heated debate. Moot/mute is a serious issue! :-)
Don't be fooled....Companies have little or no loyalty left for their employees...They'll replace you in a minute with a lower wage employee if possible, or just out source your job, and say, "See ya."
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