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Senate dumps strategy to prevent EMP damage
WND ^ | August 07, 2010 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 08/09/2010 11:06:19 AM PDT by The Comedian

The U.S. Senate has dropped a House-approved plan that would prepare the United States to defend itself from an attack from any electromagnetic pulse source – whether it would be from a natural solar flare or the detonation of a space-located nuclear weapon by enemies intent on destroying America's infrastructure, according to a representative who has raised alarms over EMP.

U.S. Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., said it is "unfortunate."

"While one part of the federal government was warning us of possible solar electromagnetic-pulse damage to our electric grid, a key Senate commission approved a bill to ignore this threat," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: 111th; congress; democrats; economy; emp; energy; fail; preparedness; solar; survival; wot; wtf
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Once again, we're being killed in slow motion by the evil morons we are paying to protect us.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

1 posted on 08/09/2010 11:06:23 AM PDT by The Comedian
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To: The Comedian

Guess Mrs. Lurkin better sign up for that candle making class after all.


2 posted on 08/09/2010 11:07:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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To: Quix; houeto; null and void
Fries-are-up ping.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

3 posted on 08/09/2010 11:08:45 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian; Jim Robinson; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aragorn; ...

THIS TAKES THE CAKE YET AGAIN. Why don’t they just paint a big bull’s eye in the center of the nation and yell to the cosmos—HAVE AT IT—DESTROY AT WILL! GRRRR

HOW ON EARTH CAN ANYONE

WITH A MIND AT ALL . . . MUCH MORE SO IN THEIR RIGHT MINE . . .

CONSTRUE THE TRAITOROUS JERKS IN D.C.

AS DOING

ANYTHING

OTHER

THAN

OBEYING THESE JERKS:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2

TO UTTERLY DESTROY OUR GRAND NATION?

I don’t care what color they dye their hair; how many goats they sleep with nor what their party label is . . .

they are virtually all traitorous jerks hell bent on flushing this nation down the toilet as fast as their traitorous fingers can vote.

This takes the cake.
Yet again.


4 posted on 08/09/2010 11:21:07 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: The Comedian; little jeremiah; nw_arizona_granny; CottonBall; hiredhand; greyfoxx39; WKB; ...

I read the book, *One Second After* and found it to be very intriguing reading. It starts out somewhat slow, but really picks up.

Thanks, feds.....

Is there some way I can get a refund on my taxes for all that they’re NOT doing to protect us?

God help us.


5 posted on 08/09/2010 11:44:12 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: The Comedian; little jeremiah; nw_arizona_granny; CottonBall; hiredhand; greyfoxx39; WKB; ...

I read the book, *One Second After* and found it to be very intriguing reading. It starts out somewhat slow, but really picks up.

Thanks, feds.....

Is there some way I can get a refund on my taxes for all that they’re NOT doing to protect us?

God help us.


6 posted on 08/09/2010 11:45:17 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: bamahead

ping


7 posted on 08/09/2010 11:48:26 AM PDT by EdReform (Stop Obamacare - Join the Obamacare Class Action Suit: www.obamacareclassaction.com)
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To: The Comedian

8 posted on 08/09/2010 11:49:24 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: metmom

Agreed, everyone should read that book. Scary how our way of life depends 99.999% on microchips!


9 posted on 08/09/2010 11:50:26 AM PDT by stump56 (Freedom isn't free.)
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To: The Comedian

I never gave EMP much thought until reading the book, One Second After.

http://www.onesecondafter.com/

In a Norman Rockwell town in North Carolina, where residents rarely lock homes, retired army colonel John Matherson teaches college, raises two daughters, and grieves the loss of his wife to cancer. When phones die and cars inexplicably stall, Grandma’s pre-computerized Edsel takes readers to a stunning scene on the car-littered interstate, on which 500 stranded strangers, some with guns, awaken John’s New Jersey street-smart instincts to get the family home and load the shotgun. Next morning, some townspeople realize that an electromagnetic pulse weapon has destroyed America’s power grid, and they proceed to set survival priorities. John’s list includes insulin for his type-one diabetic 12-year-old, candy bars, and sacks of ice. Deaths start with heart attacks and eventually escalate alarmingly. Food becomes scarce, and societal breakdown proceeds with inevitable violence; towns burn, and ex-servicemen recall “Korea in ’51” as military action by unlikely people becomes the norm in Forstchen’s sad, riveting cautionary tale, the premise of which Newt Gingrich’s foreword says is completely possible. —Whitney Scott


10 posted on 08/09/2010 11:54:36 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: metmom

Of all the “disaster scenarios”,

I’m more worried about economic collapse than anything else,
at this time at least.

That’s because we have an active domestic enemy implementing such an attack at this very moment.

I’m less inclined to think that our foreign enemies have the will or the capability to launch such an attack.


11 posted on 08/09/2010 11:55:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: metmom

Remember what the most valuable bartering item was in that book? Bullets

I could see how that could be.


12 posted on 08/09/2010 11:56:56 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: JoeProBono

Don’t underestimate the effect something like this could have.

The Day the Sun Brought Darkness

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/sun_darkness.html

A google search of Montreal and solar flare will provide lots of information on what can happen in an EMP type situation.


13 posted on 08/09/2010 11:57:53 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MrB

“I’m more worried about economic collapse than anything else,
at this time at least.”

And you don’t think that when the military is down and maybe out from an economic collapse that anyone of the enemies would seal our fate with a nail in our coffin by EMP?


14 posted on 08/09/2010 11:59:39 AM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: NavyCanDo; metmom; stump56; The Comedian; Alas Babylon!
Agreed, everyone should read that book. Scary how our way of life depends 99.999% on microchips!

Although it's a bit dated, Alas Babylon! is also well worth a read.

15 posted on 08/09/2010 11:59:48 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 562 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: stump56

I’m not quite into survivalist mode..... yet.

But that book really got me to thinking.

Mr. mm and I could be pretty self-sufficient and manage pretty well if we had to. It really helps to have domestic skills like sewing and canning and gardening.

Matter of fact, I’ve been planning my landscaping around plants which serve double duty by making good foliage plants which produce food as well. Living out in the sticks helps. This is farm country... and smells like if under the right weather conditions. Not quite the country fresh type of air I was anticipating.


16 posted on 08/09/2010 12:01:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: stump56

Although it was made about 30 years ago, the series “Connections” talked about this “Technology Trap”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6H-w9Rm46o&feature=related


17 posted on 08/09/2010 12:02:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NavyCanDo

Yeah. Lead is more valuable than silver and gold.

Note to self: Buy more ammo...


18 posted on 08/09/2010 12:03:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: The Comedian

I read “One Second After” as well. Good, if bleak, read. What the Senate did is deplorable, but again, it’s not surprising.

They know the threat of EMP. They also know that pretty much anything and everything that they would need is “protected.” If it all “went down” tomorrow, their families and entourages would he hearded to those secret locations, luxurious bunkers, closely guarded compounds, and they would have all the luxuries and amenities, and they would retain all the “power,” or at least the privileges which they have heretofore been afforded.

WE, on the other hand, the “little people” out in “flyover country,” would have nothing. we have little now, and if we lost it in an EMP attack, well, we would just have that much LESS with which to defy THEM — for they have authority over us, which is THEIR rightful place in the scheme of things. An EMP attack might just speed up the process by which WE would come to realize the need to give assent to this proper scheme of things. We, the people must finally come to realize our total and utter dependence upon they, the government, to live, to sustain ourselves, to enjoy our liberties — or at least the ones we can mutually agree it’s alright for us to have.

It’s no longer about protecting the people or preserving the Constitution with these people — it’s about promoting their own power. What happens to the people is secondary. If the people benefit in the meantime — Great! That’s good politics! If they suffer — that’s the price they pay for “us doing what has to be done.”

The “Political class” is quickly approaching the point of no return — and stupidity like this vote to leave We The People vulnerable to enemy attack is a textbook example of their arrogance and blindness....


19 posted on 08/09/2010 12:03:42 PM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: null and void

I haven’t read that one in decades; since high school.

Time to hit the local library.....


20 posted on 08/09/2010 12:04:26 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: George from New England

Could be a possibility. That’s what happened in the Jericho series.

In any case, I don’t think the country is going to be susceptible to an invasion and occupation,
because an EMP doesn’t do anything to get rid of the 100’s of millions of privately owned firearms. This is what foreign powers fear more about our country than our military - occupation-wise.

The absence of mention of America as a factor in end-times prophecy certainly means that we’ll be a non-factor when the time comes.


21 posted on 08/09/2010 12:05:30 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB

Maybe this news will cheer you up even more: Gates Announces Plan to Cut Major Military Command in Virginia.

I feel so much safer with the Demonrats in 100% control.


22 posted on 08/09/2010 12:12:23 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (TheSurvivalMom.com)
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To: metmom

I have been buying and extra case of food every week- corn one week, peas the next- dried rice, beans, etc

When you count up the number of people in your family and multiply that by two meals per day... it does not look like a lot and makes me wonder how long I might have to stock up for.


23 posted on 08/09/2010 12:15:57 PM PDT by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed (<---oops! see?))
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To: Mr. K

I constantly get ribbed about how much stuff I have in the basement.

We’ll be clean and fed for a while if the SHTF.


24 posted on 08/09/2010 12:21:10 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: patriot preacher

You can’t have world goverment with the US being a superpower.

You can’t have a superpower if the economy and industrial capacity is strong.

Where does EMP fit in? Societal breakdown, very quickly. We are third world in very short time, and hardly anyone knowing how to live in third world conditions.


25 posted on 08/09/2010 12:23:44 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: patriot preacher

I’m not so sure all the elites would be safe. Think about it. They travel a lot, depend on others to take care of everything for them, I think they’re pretty darn vulnerable UNLESS they just happen to be in or near a designated, fully equipped shelter — as in equipped for MONTHS and MONTHS.


26 posted on 08/09/2010 12:25:01 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (TheSurvivalMom.com)
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To: metmom
I read the book, *One Second After*...

Highly recommended! After I read it, I made EVERYBODY in my house read it.
27 posted on 08/09/2010 12:25:42 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; Blue Jays; ...

Preparedness/Survival ping!


28 posted on 08/09/2010 12:27:42 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (TheSurvivalMom.com)
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To: ChocChipCookie

People who can’t do anything for themselves are going to be the most vulnerable. The elite don’t know how to be self-sufficient and if their underlings turn on them, they’re toast.


29 posted on 08/09/2010 12:27:56 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

It doesn’t appear that I’m on your ping list. I knew there had to be one though.

Please put me on!!!!


30 posted on 08/09/2010 12:29:18 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: The Comedian
Unbelievable. They released a report detailing our national vulnerabilities to something like this and then they vote to kill dealing with it.

But hey, we've got millions laying around to feed crack to monkeys. I swear my friend, one of these days.....

31 posted on 08/09/2010 12:34:08 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: MrB

“I’m more worried about economic collapse than anything else,
at this time at least.”

....me too...that has a higher probability of being a triggering event IMHO...however I think the breakdown of society would be the same, once the food trucks quit running.


32 posted on 08/09/2010 12:47:05 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: metmom

I want a job working in one of these ultra-protected retreats reserved for the elites. Chances are, not many of them will show up after the actual event, and I will be able to enjoy caviar, arugula, and air conditioning. ;o)


33 posted on 08/09/2010 12:51:56 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (TheSurvivalMom.com)
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To: The Comedian

Committee members:

Democrats:
Chairman Jeff Bingaman (NM)
Byron L. Dorgan (ND)
Ron Wyden (OR)
Tim Johnson (SD)
Mary L. Landrieu (LA)
Maria Cantwell (WA)
Robert Menendez (NJ)
Blanche Lincoln (AR)
Bernard Sanders (I) (VT)
Evan Bayh (IN)
Debbie Stabenow (MI)
Mark Udall (CO)
Jeanne Shaheen (NH)

Republicans:
Lisa Murkowski (AK)
Richard Burr (NC)
John Barrasso (WY)
Sam Brownback (KS)
James E. Risch (ID)
John McCain (AZ)
Robert Bennett (UT)
Jim Bunning (KY)
Jeff Sessions (AL)
Bob Corker (TN)

Is there a way to find out how the vote actually went down?


34 posted on 08/09/2010 12:54:13 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (TheSurvivalMom.com)
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To: JoeProBono


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

35 posted on 08/09/2010 12:58:44 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian

36 posted on 08/09/2010 1:01:26 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: metmom; All

“I constantly get ribbed about how much stuff I have in the basement.”

...you may want to consider an off site cache too...and tell absolutely no one about it...after the food riots begin, I expect there’ll be local ‘food security committees’ that will search everyone’s homes looking for ‘hoarding’...and they will seize any ‘contraband’ they come upon...they will treat food just like when Obama told Joe the Plumber “we’re gonna spread it around”...controlling food will enable politicians to stay in power.


37 posted on 08/09/2010 1:01:58 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: All

OK, so we all agree it’s dumb to not have protection against EMP, natural or hostile.

So what should Congress do? What does Congress have the authority to do?

What physical things can be done to protect the USA from a big radio pulse?


38 posted on 08/09/2010 1:06:24 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Lurker
I swear my friend, one of these days.....

Tuesday good for you?


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

39 posted on 08/09/2010 1:14:31 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: DBrow

We can’t depend on the feds. Congress can, and will, do nothing.

It’s going to be up to the grassroots to watch out for themselves.

It’ll be up to us to protect ourselves from the consequences of one.

Make sure you have equipment and food and medical supplies that are not vulnerable to an EMP.

And make sure you have a plan for dealing with feral looters. I have no doubt that they will band together under a strong leader as the scenario in One Second After describes. They will have to be dealt with ruthlessly as described in the book to protect society.

That’s probably the part of the book that alarmed me the most. The rest is pretty easy to figure out as far as survival. Planning for that contingency, is another matter.


40 posted on 08/09/2010 1:18:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: The Comedian

In my research I’ve learned that old microwave ovens make decent expedient Faraday cages. So in the garage is a discarded microwave oven with some of those little Motorola FMRs radios, a couple of GPS units, a hand cranked emergency radio, a relatively inexpensive Gen 1 NV unit, and a couple of other electronic doohickeys that may come in handy.


41 posted on 08/09/2010 1:22:36 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: metmom

I read it, too. Terrifying. I hear from some that the actual physics of it aren’t as bad as portrayed in “One Second After.” I hope not.


42 posted on 08/09/2010 1:23:18 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: The Comedian
Way to go Senate! < /sarc >

facepalm

43 posted on 08/09/2010 1:23:28 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: DBrow; All
What physical things can be done to protect the USA from a big radio pulse?

Strangely enough, this happens to be an area I know something about, having consulted to electricity concerns on risk management.

1. Congress could fund a "cold storage" facility for spares of the very large transformers that will go in the first EMP wave and cannot be manufactured and delivered in something like under 18-24 months. (And btw, these are made in China now, so consider the implications).

2. Create a 100% tax deduction for the purchase of small gas, propane, wind, water, and solar generators. Basically create a tax break for decentralizing the grid.

3. Harden the existing infrastructure. This is technical, but could be done across all of the American grid for about $4 billion.

But none of this matters because the evil, murdering liars in DC consider us much easier pickin's if we're cold, hungry, and in the dark.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

44 posted on 08/09/2010 1:23:34 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

My daughter and I were discussing this and just how far the EMP would be effective from the detonation site.

The more atmosphere to go through and the further away, the less damaging it would be.

Could a nuke really get launched from off shore without us intercepting it before it got over land?


45 posted on 08/09/2010 1:29:06 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MrB
I don’t think the country is going to be susceptible to an invasion and occupation, because an EMP doesn’t do anything to get rid of the 100’s of millions of privately owned firearms

We may have 100s of millions of firearms, but months later in the aftermath of a successful EMP attack - who is going to man them effectively?

An EMP attack has the potential of causing the death of 100s of millions of Americans through social chaos, disease, and starvation. IIRC, the estimated mortality rate after a year amy approach 90% in affected areas as we almost instantaneously devolve into the 18th century. But 70% or 80% mortality would leave us nearly as vulnerable to foreign enemies who are well armed, well fed, healthy, and have the advantage of technology mobility on their side, would it not?

46 posted on 08/09/2010 1:29:25 PM PDT by Gritty (You can't stop an internal threat you refuse to recognize - Ralph Peters, on Ft Hood Shooting Report)
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To: The Comedian
We can't spend ANY money on protection from solar events or enemies of the United States.

We can only fork over trillions of dollars to Al Gore's globalist combustion man-made environmental disaster doomday cult.

47 posted on 08/09/2010 1:45:23 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: metmom
If they aren't going to bother to protect the borders or let anyone else do it, they sure as hell aren't going to make an effort to stop extraterrestrial events from bringing us down.
48 posted on 08/09/2010 1:46:40 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: The Comedian

Bad news for the Chevy Volt.


49 posted on 08/09/2010 1:57:18 PM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: The Comedian
Congress could...

They won't.....

.....They are too busy soaking us with the "fix" for the imaginary worst crisis we face...Global Warming / Climate Change, topped off with the real created crisis for the previously non-crisis health care system "reform".

Real potential threats like terrorism and EMP preparedness are not sexy or lucrative enough.

50 posted on 08/09/2010 2:53:34 PM PDT by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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