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Vanity: Please tell me which LCD TV to buy....

Posted on 09/13/2010 6:33:23 AM PDT by StrictTime

I'm just numb from doing research, so I'm opening up the floor to take suggestions from FReepers.

I hate to think that I'm going to be dropping $2K on a TV that has a life of 2 years (Samsung, Vizio, according to the interwebs). Looking for a 46" LCD with a matte screen (brightly lit room).

Anyone actually happy with a brand/model? Mostly interested in comments about reliability, since I HATE shopping for stuff like this every couple of years.


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To: Biblical Calvinist
Ruh Ro! Maybe Samsung has changed the screen on the C630?? AVSforum:

"Just a quick update. The bottom line is that after living with the C630 we took it back. Calibration produces excellent results when viewed directly. However, room glare (wish it had a matte screen) and off-angle viewing issues where the colors fade out degraded the picture too much for us. We'll probably wait for future offerings, or turn to S"

BC, What are your thoughts on LED lit LCDs, if you don't mind my asking? Do you have any experience with them?

51 posted on 09/14/2010 7:56:36 AM PDT by StrictTime (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: ken21; Las Vegas Dave

Ok, now I’m ready to tackle the pros and cons of plain LCD vs. LED-lit LCD. Any thoughts or recommendations for a room with lots of windows?


52 posted on 09/14/2010 7:59:29 AM PDT by StrictTime (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: StrictTime

samsung .... best value bar none


53 posted on 09/14/2010 8:31:43 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (WTF happened to my country?? I joined the Marines and defended the USA and it degenerates into this?)
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To: StrictTime

Ive had great experience with VIZIO. I had a friend who has had several large LCDs and he told me the best one he had had was vizio so thats the way I went and havent been disappointed at all.


54 posted on 09/14/2010 8:37:51 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: StrictTime

StrictTime..I think this guy (whom you cited, from the thread at AVS) is confused..because ALL *c630* models are produced with semi-matte panels.

In other words, there are not SOME c630 models that have the clear panels, and there are not OTHER c630 models that have the semi-matte panel.

ALL *c630* models have the semi-matte panel.

The *c650* is the model with the clear panel.

In fact.. that’s really the only difference between the two models..the *C630* has the semi-matte panel, while the *c650* model has the clear panel...other than that, the two models are exactly the same HDTV set.

In regard to the new LED sets.. these are great, and the wave of the future. (and since they are a new innovation..of course the retail price on these sets are through the roof.)

I understand that the LED backlit sets provide a BRIGHTER contrast level, than the ordinary flourescent backlit panels. These new sets are lighter, because they don’t have the flourescent bulbs in them, and they are thinner sets as well..perfect for hanging on the wall.

But, the flourescent sets will still be with us for awhile. Now that the LED sets are being promoted, the price of the flourescent sets will continue to slide. These sets are a very good buy, especially with the declining prices.


55 posted on 09/14/2010 10:52:47 AM PDT by Biblical Calvinist (Soli Deo Gloria !)
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To: Biblical Calvinist
Thanks, BC. I didn't know if they had changed the screen recently or what from that post.

I just went to Costco again today and they have nada that fits my criteria. :(

I guess I have to decide if LED is worth the extra $$ in our really bright family room. I hate to trust the salesmen at the store; it's funny how none of the high-end showrooms have rooms with bright light/big windows, so that I can see it with my own eyes. :)

56 posted on 09/14/2010 12:27:59 PM PDT by StrictTime (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: Biblical Calvinist
Thanks, BC. I didn't know if they had changed the screen recently or what from that post.

I just went to Costco again today and they have nada that fits my criteria. :(

I guess I have to decide if LED is worth the extra $$ in our really bright family room. I hate to trust the salesmen at the store; it's funny how none of the high-end showrooms have rooms with bright light/big windows, so that I can see it with my own eyes. :)

57 posted on 09/14/2010 12:27:59 PM PDT by StrictTime (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: StrictTime

Yeah, I hear ya, StrictTime..Sales people generally know little to nothing regarding these HDTV sets..you have to do the research, which you HAVE been doing, then make your own decision.

Besides Costco..have you looked at HDTV sets anywhere else ? For instance, Sears, Best Buy, or Sams Club, even WALMART ?

I agree, Costco and other stores have really poor viewing areas where they stock HDTV sets..Keep in mind, when you go to evaluate any HDTV set at these stores..they generally have all of the sets in DYNAMIC mode..(this is a sales technique; it’s truly NOT the setting which you would normally use in your home.)

The stores generally have animated DEMOS playing on the sets as well..not a good choice when critically evaluateing them; Animated features generally do not show the various subtleties that can be seen on any HDTV set..)

Well.. I know that you’re frustrated..BUT there ARE good sets out there..if I had the money, er. ah.. that is, if money was no object..I’d go with a Semi-matte, or Full Matte (if I could find one) LED panel, 120 HZ, to help reduce motion blur, and the LARGEST panel I could get.. yes.. BIGGER is better when considering HDTV sets !

I have a 40 inch set..I would truly love to have a 55 or 60 inch set..BUT..well.. the 40 inch is what we could afford.. I’m happy with it. The Samsung IS a great set.

And that’s the answer..pick a set that YOU would be happy with~ keep in mind, most of these stores have a 30 day return policy..if ya buy a set, but then decide it’s not the set for you.. you can always return it for something else.

Oh yes.. and it has to pass the WIFE factor as well. LOL~~!~ ;>)


58 posted on 09/14/2010 2:05:52 PM PDT by Biblical Calvinist (Soli Deo Gloria !)
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To: Biblical Calvinist
The more I read, the more confused I get. Now I'm convinced that the Panny G25 plasma will work in a brightly lit room! LOL

Oh yes.. and it has to pass the WIFE factor as well. LOL~~!~ ;>)

This is funny because I AM the WIFE. My husband could care less about all this tech stuff... :)

59 posted on 09/14/2010 2:32:48 PM PDT by StrictTime (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: StrictTime

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/
http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/
http://led-tvbuyingguide.com/
http://led-tvbuyingguide.com/led-vs-plasma.html
http://www.3d-tvbuyingguide.com/

This will keep you busy!
LVD

(Keep in mind that the Sam’s, Costco, BJ’s, and similar clubs have TV’s with model numbers that differ from what the retailers have in the showrooms. This makes it difficult to do your research.)


60 posted on 09/14/2010 2:47:24 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: StrictTime; ADemocratNoMore; advertising guy; aft_lizard; AJMaXx; Alice in Wonderland; ...
Pinging the HDTV list..Newbee needs advice!

HDTV pings!

61 posted on 09/14/2010 2:52:19 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: coon2000

We recently bought the 60” Sharp Aquos (LED-LCD), and are really happy with it.


62 posted on 09/14/2010 2:57:54 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Sir Gawain

Panasonic service is for the sh!ts. Never buying Pana again.

Spent $1100.


63 posted on 09/14/2010 3:36:15 PM PDT by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: StrictTime
I have three ViZio's of various sizes and ages-all more than three years old. Fine performance. For SERIOUS viewing, I have a 58inch Samsung Plasma...blu-ray player etc.
64 posted on 09/14/2010 3:47:04 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO!)
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To: StrictTime

I have 3 Vizios, a 60 plasma (5 year old),22 LCD(six months) and a 26 LCD(2 years) with no problems.


65 posted on 09/14/2010 4:14:19 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: StrictTime

Look only at 1080p sets.

Figure out what size you really need (for larger) and/or can live with (for smaller).

They need to have at least two HDMI inputs (one for BluRay or DVD connection, one for later).

If it’s important to you to hook your existing and future computers to it (and you live alone, or your kids have a game system), you may want a third HDMI and/or a DVI and/or a VGA connector.

Go to a store with a lot of brands.

Let your eyes decide, and make sure you examine the leading models on your list in several different stores (sets are not always getting a strong signal, other glitches).

Then purchase based on price.

The Samsungs appear to me to be the best smaller sets when examined side by side with other brands (I bought a Vizio).


66 posted on 09/14/2010 4:19:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Walkingfeather
"You want to know which tv to pay thousands of dollars for in order to see lame ass sports and tv shows that force you to watch their commercials that will get you to spend more money? All while you numb your mind and rot your productivity and creativity?"

You "do" understand that there are other sources of viewable content that the networks, right?? I'm building a "Media-PC" right now in order to take advantage of sources that are not available either by broadcast or cable.

67 posted on 09/14/2010 4:56:37 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: StrictTime
Personal preference: LG (or Phillips same company)
68 posted on 09/14/2010 5:24:32 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: StrictTime
If you're looking for a decent 46" that won't burn a hole your wallet, here's my choice:

Sony KDL-46EX500

I have the 40" version and love it for its sharpness and bright colors.

69 posted on 09/14/2010 5:35:31 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: StrictTime

Ooh..I didn’t realise that you were the wife...heh..please forgive me..

Las Vegas Dave is correct..all of the Samsung sets at stores like Sams Club or Costco DO have different model numbers..for instance..they may carry the *c640* model, which IS the exact same model as the c650..with the clear panel - it just has a different model number..the stores do this because this enables them to avoid the Price Matching business that goes on in other stores, like Best Buy..

Soo; if Costco only carries those Clear panel Samsungs.. then. you may wish to look in other stores, such as Sears, or Best Buy...I KNOW that hd sets with matte panels DO exist.. ya just have to find them!


70 posted on 09/14/2010 5:38:46 PM PDT by Biblical Calvinist (Soli Deo Gloria !)
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To: RayChuang88; Mikey_1962; SunkenCiv; razorback-bert; GRRRRR; Las Vegas Dave; Biblical Calvinist
Thanks to the HDTV ping list!

Ok, since you guys so graciously replied, please allow me to pick your brains again.

:)

CCFL LCD vs. LED-lit: For a set right next to tall windows (<2 ft. away), which is best?

Any thoughts on the Panasonic TC-G25 plasma (has a good anti-glare screen per reviews)?

120hz vs. 240hz.: Salesman at Modia (Home Theater Store) says that in the near future, programming will be available to utilize 240hz technology. Really? or is this salesman talk?

Maximum size for space is 47". Wish list includes at least 120hz, 1080i, anti-glare/matte screen, best internal processor (but not so good as the $3000 Mitsubishi LOL) for the <$2K sets. No gaming on this set.

71 posted on 09/14/2010 6:23:59 PM PDT by StrictTime (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: StrictTime
I like plasma flat panels, but they tend to use quite a lot more power than CCFL LCD's at the same brightness level for similar sized units, and some models generate a LOT of heat. That's why I think if you have no plans for 3-D TV, the Sony BRAVIA KDL-46EX500 I mentioned would be perfect for you. It's got all the features you need, especially since you didn't say you wanted the Internet widgets found on some higher-end flat panels nowadays. I'd also match it with a good Sony Blu-ray player like the BDP-S570, though I'd recommend you upgrade the firmware on the Sony player to the latest version, though.
72 posted on 09/14/2010 7:41:00 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Walkingfeather; Wonder Warthog

So which do you like best “Psych” or “Burn Notice”? ;-)


73 posted on 09/14/2010 7:48:41 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: RayChuang88

Internet widgets? Can you summarize features?


74 posted on 09/14/2010 8:32:25 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Tunehead54
Take a look at the VIZIO XVT473SV 47" LED-backlit LCD panel, according to this web page:

VIZIO XVT473SV specification

Note this TV connects to the Internet through an 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi connection and supports a features called VIZIO Internet Apps (VIA), which allows you to access Twitter and Facebook, download the latest news, and even stream movies from Amazon, NetFlix and VuDu.

75 posted on 09/14/2010 8:52:52 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: StrictTime

Which set is best, (flourescent or LED, in a bright room ?) The correct answer must always be - what looks best to YOU. You have to make that final decision. No one else can answer a question like that, but YOU. The answer depends on your evaluation of how the panel LOOKS in YOUR living room.

That’s why I suggested; in passing, that it’s good that most stores have a 30 day return policy. You can choose a set, but, when you get it home and properly set up..IF you DON’T like what you see; in your own home environment, you can always return it for something that might be better for your home environment.

I’m sorry, but I’m not the proper person to ask regarding Plasmas..I’ve never owned a Plasma, although I’ve heard that they have vastly improved over the past few years..it’s now not very likely that the panels will have any “BURN-IN” problems. (this was a major problem with Plasma sets in the recent past.)

120 HZ vs. 240 HZ - yeah.. this has absolutely NOTHING to do with what is broadcast. It has EVERYTHING to do with reducing motion blur on the HD set..regardless if it’s from broadcast media, or DVD, or Blu Ray. My opinion? Ignorant salesman talk. I’m sure you can find significant discussions of motion blur factors on AVSFORUM..

You have a solid wish list, StrictTime..umm.. all new HD sets WILL only output 1080P (P= Progressive output) You might have a hard time these days finding a new HDTV set that will only output 1080I (I=Interlace) Keep in mind that all broadcasts are inputed at either 720P OR 1080I..the set will always CONVERT the OUTPUT to 1080P..also, broadcasts are always , ALWAYS at 60 hz..Samsung will always REPORT the INPUT at 60 hz, when you press the INFO button on the remote..BUT the set will ALWAYS convert that 60 HZ input to 120 Hz. In Samsung sets; the 120 hz conversion process is ALWAYS on. It can’t be “turned off”. This is a GOOD thing.

The “AUTO MOTION PLUS” function CAN always be modified, or turned off. This process is NOT the same process as the 120 hz function. They are two, very different, separate processes.

Yes..a better computer processor comes with the more expensive sets...my sister has an expensive Mits..she loves it, this set DOES have a very fine panel..gorgeous picture. BUT.. I spent less than half of the money on my Samsung, than SHE spent on her Mits..I’d say the picture on the Samsung panel was just as good as the picture on the Mits. but, that’s my opinion.

Yes.. it’s frustrating,, BUT, I’m sure that you’ll find the HDTV set that’s perfect for YOUR living room enviroment.


76 posted on 09/14/2010 9:06:01 PM PDT by Biblical Calvinist (Soli Deo Gloria !)
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To: william clark

Very nice.


77 posted on 09/14/2010 9:58:02 PM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: StrictTime; ADemocratNoMore; advertising guy; aft_lizard; AJMaXx; Alice in Wonderland; ...

HDTV ping list, I will post a thread in late October or early November about the up coming BlackFriday sales.

See below for the latest prediction:

http://www.tvpredictions.com/blackpredicts091310.htm

HDTV: Black Friday Predictions!
TVPredictions.com
Washington, D.C. (September 13, 2010) — Fifty-inch HDTVs for as little as $550? 32-inch LCD HDTVs for under $200? Blu-ray players for $70 or less?

These are just some of the incredible deals that retailers will offer on HD-related products on Black Friday, predicts a web site that tracks retailer discounts on what has become the unofficial opening of the holiday shopping season.

Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, has become a cultural phenomenon with waves of shoppers crashing into retail outlets at the crack of dawn in search of great deals.

BlackFriday.org, which has carefully monitored past Black Friday sales, predicts that physical and online retailers will heavily discount Plasma, LED and LCD HDTVs.

“The televisions that go on sale typically fall into 32” to 46” category, but you will see some reduced prices on 50” to 55” HDTVs as well,” the site writes.

For instance, BlackFriday.org forecasts that 32-inch LCD sets will be available for around $199 while 19-inch sets will discounted to as little as $99.

In addition, the site predicts, 42-inch LCD and Plasma models will be priced between $400 and $500 while 50-inch sets will be marked down between $550 and $650.

In the Blu-ray category, the site says feature-laden Blu-ray players will be available between $70 and $80 and some Blu-ray movies will be offered for about $5.


78 posted on 09/15/2010 2:40:48 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: StrictTime

We bought a 52 inch Samsung 3 years ago, and it has been terrific!

You totally can’t go wrong with a higher end Samsung. While you are at it, pick yourself up a PS3. Great Bluray player, and gaming console.


79 posted on 09/15/2010 4:43:47 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: RayChuang88
Thanks for the information. I will definitely look at that Sony, especially since I think that it is a matte screen. We will probably use a PS3 on that set for the B-R and for internet, so the widgets are not necessary.

I'm getting closer! Whew!

80 posted on 09/15/2010 6:22:20 AM PDT by StrictTime (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: KoRn

Yeah, I think I’m limited on Samsung models to one (LNxxC630), because I need the matte screen. Wish they had more options, there, because I know a lot of people think it’s a great TV.


81 posted on 09/15/2010 6:25:44 AM PDT by StrictTime (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: Biblical Calvinist

Thanks, BC. I want to avoid the returning thing as much as possible. It’s probably going to fall on my shoulders and having to lug that big ol’ box around just makes me nervous. Appreciate all the info, especially about 120 vs. 240hz. I thought I was getting the runaround, especially since I hadn’t read anything like that on the forums. :)


82 posted on 09/15/2010 6:29:59 AM PDT by StrictTime (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: StrictTime
If you do get the Sony BRAVIA KDL-46EX500, don't forget to upgrade the firmware on the TV (yes, they do have firmware upgrades) and make sure you have the latest software/firmware installed on you PlayStation 3. This will avoid the HDMI handshaking issue that can suddenly cause short bursts of video signal loss that plagued my Sony BDP-S370 Blu-ray player until I upgraded the firmware to the current version.
83 posted on 09/15/2010 6:44:50 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: StrictTime

I have my 52 inch in a room without windows, so I didn’t have any issues with glare. The screen still isn’t very reflective. I don’t believe it would have been an issue had I put it in a room with windows.


84 posted on 09/15/2010 6:52:11 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: StrictTime

I wouldn’t buy an LCD TV. I would buy an LED TV, the clarity and sharpness is MUCH better in the LED TVs.


85 posted on 09/15/2010 7:57:38 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

wow!


86 posted on 09/15/2010 8:47:29 AM PDT by ken21 (who runs the gop?)
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To: StrictTime; Biblical Calvinist
So many have told you how great their experience is with their set, and, luckily, a few have given you very sound advice about where to look for good deals, and how to shop (shout out to Biblical Calvinist who's advice has been spot on)

Another site to use to watch for excellent deals is Dealmac.com. They don't scour ALL retailers but they certainly watch quite a few and they focus on the 46-47" market, so that sounds like a site that you would benefit from.

You've done a good job of stating your needs and describing the room the flat panel will be in. It all comes down to what is important to YOU. Are you brand agnostic? Do you care if it's not brand X, for example?

My advice is to narrow your search down to 2 or 3 brands you'd be interested in. Then, with the size known (46/47 for you), get to know the models, because there will be different lines for each brand for a given size. Then, watch prices and packages (and financing offers if you're into that) via the dealmac site or bfads.net or the other black Friday sites mentioned.

You won't have buyers remorse.

87 posted on 09/15/2010 9:06:26 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bakon Akbar!)
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To: StrictTime

I’m an audio/video/gadget freak, used to be in the consumer electronics business myself, etc., and I research everything like crazy before making a decision. If you’re not set on a flat panel style, you might take a look at the DLPs, the new generation of “big screen,” ie. rear projection sets. They’re MUCH MUCH thinner than the old style, more streamlined, and they deliver unmatched quality/size for the buck. I bought my son a 65” Mitsubishi Diamond Series last Christmas and it’s simply fantastic. Picture quality is impeccable and if you’re a gamer or big sports watcher, the cool thing about DLP is that it doesn’t burn in, period. $1200ish.

If you are indeed set on the flat panel format, my personal preference right now is probably Samsung.

MM


88 posted on 09/15/2010 12:01:59 PM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

As long as BluRay disks don’t start being total garbage, as a number of DVD pressings have been, I’m cool with the bargain prices. Costco has a $99 BluRay player right now, hmm, probably a Vizio, but for those who want to fall for it, there’s also a Sony for under $150 right next to the $99 box. The JVC and Toshiba — okay, come to think of it, that $99 BluRay may be a Toshiba instead of a Vizio — and Samsungs are also to be found under $150, and have been for a while, off and on.

Christmas is 14 weeks from Saturday.


89 posted on 09/15/2010 5:21:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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