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DNA points to royal roots in Africa
MSNBC blogs ^ | September 8, 2010 | Alan Boyle, msnbc.com science editor

Posted on 09/19/2010 5:12:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

William Holland, a genealogical researcher living in Atlanta, has seen some pretty strange twists in his family tree. Several years ago, he found out that his great-grandfather was a black slave ... who wound up serving as a Confederate soldier during the Civil War. But this year Holland's research resulted in something even stranger. Thanks to DNA testing, Holland is being welcomed as a long-lost relative by a ruling family of the West African nation of Cameroon...

Holland plugged his genetic markers into a database provided by the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, which draws upon GeneTree results as well as global genetic surveys... The freely available Sorenson database takes the family search to an extra level, by linking the genetic data with traditional pedigrees contributed by those who have been tested. What's more, Sorenson's researchers -- including Woodward, who serves as the foundation's executive director -- have added test results from places around the world that would otherwise be poorly represented in genetic databases. For example, about 12,000 of the 110,000 DNA samples in the Sorenson files have come from Africa...

Meanwhile, Woodward and other researchers are working to develop new genetic tools for tracing family connections. One method would check markers on additional chromosomes to "fill in close relatives, we're thinking within four to six generations, and reconstruct a relationship between two individuals who share a common ancestor," Woodward said... That could mark a significant leap forward for genetic genealogy. The tests conducted on Y chromosomes or mitochondrial DNA aren't powerful enough to detemine the precise relationship between two individuals.

(Excerpt) Read more at cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: africa; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; mtdna
Courtesy of William Holland

DNA points to royal roots in Africa

1 posted on 09/19/2010 5:12:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 09/19/2010 5:13:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: SunkenCiv

This is very interesting! So happy for Mr. Holland and his family. It sounds like a family reunion they will never forget!


3 posted on 09/19/2010 5:19:40 PM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: SunkenCiv

4 posted on 09/19/2010 5:26:24 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: SunkenCiv

This may be as good a use of technology as I’ve ever heard of.


5 posted on 09/19/2010 5:28:18 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks, SC!

I applied for this in 2005, but the corporation was new and, I suspect, it was overwhelmed by submissions. I despaired of finding it again!

Thanks!

‘Face


6 posted on 09/19/2010 5:32:07 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Eh, you crafty bastard, Eh." said the fairy. ~~ Arrowhead 1952 a la fanfan)
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To: SunkenCiv

“his great-grandfather was a black slave ... who wound up serving as a Confederate soldier during the Civil War”

Paging the Atlanta History Center! I was there when they told a young black man from NOLA that blacks NEVER served in the Confederacy.
He was a descendant of a free black and had proof that his ancestor had served, but the AHC would not let him into the encampment. His story did not fit their PC agenda.
We had supper with him later that day at Johnny Rockets and he shared his family’s history and documents with our children.


7 posted on 09/19/2010 5:32:43 PM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: JoeProBono

Yah. We GOT his A frican roots...

(the skanky liar)


8 posted on 09/19/2010 5:33:39 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Eh, you crafty bastard, Eh." said the fairy. ~~ Arrowhead 1952 a la fanfan)
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To: SunkenCiv

Kunta Kinte, You’ve come home!


9 posted on 09/19/2010 5:34:43 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: kalee

AHC should be DEEPLY ashamed!! The bigots. (Not to be confused with the Begats!)


10 posted on 09/19/2010 5:35:36 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Eh, you crafty bastard, Eh." said the fairy. ~~ Arrowhead 1952 a la fanfan)
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To: kalee

There were a few who did; blacks who served in the Civil War overwhelmingly chose to fight for the Union.


11 posted on 09/19/2010 5:36:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: count-your-change

Tizzy?

;’)


12 posted on 09/19/2010 5:38:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting BUMP


13 posted on 09/19/2010 5:39:20 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: wendy1946

It’s good that more and more people do this, just to generate the database; but the longer this goes on, the better off everyone will be. Today’s results are bound to be superseded by the more complete info in the future.


14 posted on 09/19/2010 5:40:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: SunkenCiv; Monkey Face

For those interested in DNA and genealogy, Family Tree DNA, is a much, much better vendor than Sorenson. 90% of all genealogist use FTDNA.

www.familytreedna.com


15 posted on 09/19/2010 5:43:47 PM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: SunkenCiv
Hey, I know that guy ~ or a million of 'em who look just like him.

Popular people Fur Shur.

17 posted on 09/19/2010 5:47:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

I’m just glad his family isn’t involved in that infamous email scam.


18 posted on 09/19/2010 5:49:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: SunkenCiv

I wonder if they are going to combine with the National Geographic geonome project and Family Tree DNA folks??


19 posted on 09/19/2010 5:51:13 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: SunkenCiv

I know that now. After meeting that young man I read some books he recommended and recently I met a NC man who is researching the subject. I asked how his research had been received given the reaction we saw at the AHC and he said his response had been mixed.


20 posted on 09/19/2010 5:55:29 PM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Drango

“For those interested in DNA and genealogy, Family Tree DNA, is a much, much better vendor than Sorenson. 90% of all genealogist use FTDNA.”

That’s where I got mine done. A real eye-opener.


21 posted on 09/19/2010 6:06:03 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: Drango

Thanks, Drango!

I’m working on my genealogy but I’m so far behind the times! Thanks for the update!


22 posted on 09/19/2010 6:40:46 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Eh, you crafty bastard, Eh." said the fairy. ~~ Arrowhead 1952 a la fanfan)
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To: kalee

Before slavery became a life sentence, there were families of descendants of slaves who had been freed, or saved up money and bought themselves out of bondage, mostly during the 18th c. When the shooting started, some of them (and they were never numerous, and for obvious reasons were often all related by marriage or blood) tried to sign up in their state militias and whatnot, and were turned away. In the last year of the war, Lee (who contrary to myth was not opposed to slavery) asked the Confederate congress to allow recruitment of black soldiers, with the incentive that they would be freed after the war (IOW, they would enlist and serve as slaves, only winning their freedom after the war ended). Since it was Lee asking, it was passed. This measure resulted in a few hundreds of enlistments, out of a total in service in the various CSA forces of perhaps a million all told.


23 posted on 09/19/2010 6:43:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: kalee

...and y’know, somewhere around here I have a book about the families of antebellum free blacks...


24 posted on 09/19/2010 6:44:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: Leo Carpathian

“Soooo...
like, after they match DNA of afreeky amerikans with their royal ancetors in afrika, will they go home?”

Yu kiddin, Bro? Black folks gots it so good here now.


25 posted on 09/19/2010 6:47:50 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Monkey Face

Put your surname into the search box at FTDNA (upper right). See if there are others tracking the same last name. With luck, there will be.

Then if you match up with someone else’s paper trail you *may* be able to leap back in time by piggy-backing off their tree. I added 200 years to my tree when I did this.


26 posted on 09/19/2010 6:48:43 PM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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27 posted on 09/19/2010 6:51:33 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SunkenCiv
I think that if I had been a black slave in 1864 I would have preferred to fight for the government that had issued the Emancipation Proclamation rather than one that wanted the institution to continue forever. There is a theory that the blacks who did volunteer to fight for the Confederacy, right at the end, intended to turn their guns on the Confederates once they were armed.

There were masters who took their body servants with them into the Confederate army, and I think there were cases of those servants taking part in battles, but they wouldn't have been officially regarded as soldiers.

Another possibility would be persons who had some African ancestry but who were able to "pass" as white--maybe DNA would be the only way to determine that there was some African ancestry.

28 posted on 09/19/2010 6:59:35 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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Not unless there a Walmart nearby and their houses have A.C.
29 posted on 09/19/2010 7:06:33 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Drango

My Tree goes back FOREVER!
It goes through the Royalty of Europe, so there is no question as to the “heritage.”

That is through my father’s line. My mother’s line is something else again.


30 posted on 09/19/2010 7:21:27 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Eh, you crafty bastard, Eh." said the fairy. ~~ Arrowhead 1952 a la fanfan)
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To: dljordan

What kind of things does it tell you and if you were an orphan how can this help?


31 posted on 09/19/2010 7:26:30 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: SunkenCiv

Regardless of our heritage, we are all slaves to U.S. national debt now. Kunte Kinte? Your name is Toby!


32 posted on 09/19/2010 10:10:24 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Verginius Rufus
there are volumes out there about slaves or freed blacks fighting on the CSA side in fairly large numbers

anyone can look it up

no need for anyone to be uninformed about it unless that suits them

i’d educate ya’ll but this ain't the thread

just google “blacks in Confederacy” and weed through all the PC garbage for truths...I actually have several books...one composed by a creole from New Orleans on a company of freed blacks

Bedford Forrest offered freedom to his slaves who fought with him and scores did and he did honour his word

I would address the Lee canard too but I don't wish to hijack an anthropology thread

ya'll can have at it...it's too late for a flame war and it never ends anyhow.....kids are just brainwashed today by the culture...I don't blame them really...folks are gonna believe what they have to or want to believe over race anyhow...truth is secondary

btw...you do know what precisely the Emancipation Proclamation did?...it purported to free only the slaves in territory the Federals did not control but kept those in areas of Union control enslaved till December of 1865 with the 13th amendment ..well after Appomatox....funny thing real history as opposed to perception

Link to proof here from an objective source

the truth will set you free as someone said..lol

33 posted on 09/20/2010 1:30:06 AM PDT by wardaddy (We are on a roll like I have never seen.)
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To: celtic gal

“What kind of things does it tell you and if you were an orphan how can this help?”

My father was adopted and I wanted to know his family origins. It will show you how many DNA matches you have with other people around the world. They have a feature on the website that will show you a map of the matches as well as getting a list. For myself I’m mostly Irish, Scots and Welsh.

If you sign up and list your email address other people that match your DNA can contact you. Many people are looking for relative.

I had the FTDNA and the MTDNA done. If you can get the 64 marker test.


34 posted on 09/20/2010 4:23:10 AM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: dljordan

I know the village in Europe where my father’s ancestors lived for hundreds of years. I know the town in Germany where my mother’s mother’s mother’s mother’s mother was living in the 1830s. I don’t know if I would learn anything more from these tests. There are other parts of my ancestry that I would like to know more about, but the Y-chromosome line and the mitochondrial DNA lines are well-documented.


35 posted on 09/20/2010 9:01:56 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: dljordan

Thank you... I wondered how that would work if you don’t have a known bio relative.


36 posted on 09/20/2010 9:04:32 AM PDT by celtic gal
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37 posted on 09/20/2010 9:25:54 AM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: celtic gal

There is also a new test offered from Family Tree DNA called the Family Finder Test. It can be taken by either a male or a female. It can tell you who your cousins are back to 5th cousins. You get a list of names of other people who’ve taken the test and are matching up with you. Then you have to figure out who your common ancestor is with your matches. I’ve just purchased the test,but have not yet administered it.

If you want to know more, paste this link into your browser:
http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/family-finder.aspx?


38 posted on 09/21/2010 10:47:09 AM PDT by Jessarah
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To: Jessarah

thank you..I am going to look into this 4 sure


39 posted on 09/21/2010 9:49:40 PM PDT by celtic gal
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