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Is Yoga An Anti-Christian Practice?
NewsFeed ^ | Wednesday, September 22, 2010 | Allie Townsend

Posted on 09/22/2010 3:03:50 PM PDT by Willie Green

Warning to Christians: There may be churches that will bless your Blackberry, but your favorite morning workout may undermine your faith.

In a recent blog post, Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr. president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, examines the argument that practicing yoga may be in direct conflict with the values of Christianity. "Yoga begins and ends with an understanding of the body that is, to say the very least, at odds with the Christian understanding," Mohler writes.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Religion
KEYWORDS: faithandphilosophy; hatha; hinduism; howdumbcanpeopleget; isitcontagious; mohler; newage; pranayama; yoga
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To: stripes1776

The greeks saw mathematics as a gate way to the Gods, so did the Hindu’s, so do some of the psychiatric clients I’ve worked with over the years. Just goes to show that Numerology goes back as far as the Fall of Man itself.

Numbers and math are tools, great tools, indeed a direct blessing from God so that man in exploring the universe can ferret out the great truths of God, so that we “are without excuse” when we all stand before God! Math lets us build houses and bridges, make medicines and fly to the stars. God blessed man with math so that he could come out of caves and allow us some measure of control over our chaotic enviroments. David admonishes us to “number our days”, John encourages those with wisdom to “calculate the number of the beast”. God gave us math to warn of us of coming dangers and to understand the logarithmic scales of the results of the preaching of the Word(planting of the mustard seed which produces ten fold and hundred fold).

Indeed, in the era before Christ, God did indeed “wink” at the greek and hindu and Chinese wise men, the Zoroastrians and others who were desparate to find God, and God in his mercy and love for the world gave the world mathematics thru them! But remember, the wise men of the east came to Jesus to pay him homage recognizing God in flesh, the source of all their wisdom! Jesus would never go to them for wisdom, for he was the source of all wisdom from the founding of the world!


101 posted on 09/23/2010 2:29:48 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: TigersEye

What people do now is all over the map. But in ancient times, yoga was practiced as a method of helping the body and mind become fit and “tamed” so as to function better not only in this world, but to be able to focus on the Supreme Godhead with less distraction.

In ancient times nothing was divorced from the spiritual aspect. The Vedas have many paths but they all lead in the same direction; not all lead to the ultimate, because not everyone wants the ultimate. But even going in the right direction is good; and one step leads to another. The ancient Vedic civilization was a God-centered civilization in all respects, one way or another.

Much of the stuff that comes out of India, or westerners that go to India, is not very traditional. Some is, some isn’t.


102 posted on 09/23/2010 2:46:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: mdmathis6

Citation please. What you write sounds like utter nonsense. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt but unless you can back it up with evidence, I will take it as utter nonsense.


103 posted on 09/23/2010 3:17:12 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: little jeremiah

That makes sense. Not everybody is interested in the spiritual side of things. I don’t see any harm in using physical exercises or basic meditations simply for health improvement though. Fitness and good health are positives for anybody even if that is all they want. That is their free will choice to set an arbitrary limit on their development.


104 posted on 09/23/2010 3:27:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: MrB

I think that is how I generally understand “being still” to mean in this context...but the “be still doesn’t occur by itself...it says to “Be still and KNOW that I am God” which means to come to a place of rest and knowing that God is bigger than all of our circumstances and to take comfort in that fact....or as the 23rd Psalm says” He leadeth me beside the still waters, he restoreth my soul!”


105 posted on 09/23/2010 3:28:18 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: muir_redwoods

Okay I made it all up, just lying to prove a point....I tell you what you prove me wrong then!

I’m not a walking box of footnoted citations but I know what i have read and studied over the years. In the 1950s there was a group of Indian “guru” types that wanted make a concerted effort to “evangelize” the west with their brand of Eastern Mysticism and Hinduism. The yoga movements, TM, of the 60’s were all a part of that and it rode in all on top of the HIPPIE movements and the progressivist push that was occuring in America at the time. You remember the Hari Krishnas...right? Or was I making that up, too?


106 posted on 09/23/2010 3:40:06 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: mdmathis6
You were wrong about yoga being related to tai chi, you were wrong about tai chi being a stretching exercise and you are wrong when you suggest that the PX90 body system is an analogous substitute for either yoga or tai chi. You were even wrong about the name of it. It is the P90X training system. P90X is a strength and cardiovascular exercise system which is almost the exact opposite of the focus of both yoga and tai chi.

No one can say whether you're making things up or not but you are clearly wrong about a lot of things.

107 posted on 09/23/2010 4:22:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye

Exactly. Doing hatha yoga exercises will not turn someone into a Hindu (not that that is a bad thing).

I avoid most all yoga videos/books because I loathe any New Agey stuff mixed in, which most all have, or a lot. I stick with the real classical kind. Most yoga I learned from the great Iyengar book, Light On Yoga. Actually I first did Hittelman’s, then found the Iyengar book. Many people can not learn directly from a book without a human teacher, but if you’re sensitive and pay attention to what your body is doing, it can be done. Aptitude helps.

I started practicing hatha yoga seriously when I was around 26 and did it until RA hit me when I was around 50. I am now well enough from diet and herbs to start it up again.


108 posted on 09/23/2010 5:55:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: mdmathis6
You asserted the claim; the burden of proof is on you. That's logic 101.

BTW, you are aware that TM and Hare Krisnas have nothing to do with yoga, right? or did you conflate everything Indian as one thing? Is Curry the same thing as Yoga? How about chicken tandori? Papidums? Chutneys? Khaki pants? Madras jackets? Paisley prints?

109 posted on 09/23/2010 6:05:03 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: mdmathis6

” “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2“For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3“Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4“Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5“You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”

Question... Are you judging me for judging someone elses judgemental comment? .... Think about it!


110 posted on 09/23/2010 6:35:26 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: mdmathis6

“I would question the sources of your”info” and put them to the test...Do they agree that Jesus was God in flesh and the only way to salvation? If in putting such sources to the test there is any discomfort or a leading away from or an adding to the truth of Jesus as God in flesh then you need to flee from this “spirituality” and beg God to drive the demonic away from you and to be filled with HIS spirit!”

Excellent advice, and yes it works... For years I was cleaning out haunted houses to remove the nasties and ran into more than one imposter of the light. The scripture you quote is from 1 John 4:1 on testing spirits if my memory serves me correct. It has saved my ass more than once as those words just came out of my mouth (not from me) and the spirits eyes turned from blue to black and then to red as their true nature came out.

Often they will try to trick me by saying a response like “We know Jesus.” To which I must ask the question again and require them to answer it. Can’t really explain it as it is work done through me and not by me. Been doing it for 20 years.


111 posted on 09/23/2010 6:43:00 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: mdmathis6

As Jesus warns in Matthew 7 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Or his warnings in Matthew 24.....

They are wrapped in many colors, shapes and sizes, even within Christianity! Discernment is a hard lesson to learn and it cannot be done by using only logic. Logic can be fooled. Discernment includes a gut wrenching intuitive feeling that has saved me many times, even when logic failed.


112 posted on 09/23/2010 6:53:20 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: little jeremiah

“I avoid most all yoga videos/books because I loathe any New Agey stuff mixed in, which most all have, or a lot. I stick with the real classical kind. Most yoga I learned from the great Iyengar book, Light On Yoga.”

They are pretty good. Look at Ravi Singhs (sorry if spelling is off a little) book on kundalini yoga. Best presentation of spinal flex postures I have seen anywhere.


113 posted on 09/23/2010 6:57:10 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: little jeremiah
The only yoga I have done was from following Richard Hittleman's book so I obviously can't compare it to other books or direct instruction. All I can say is that I found it easy to follow and that it worked well for me.

I was about 37 then and an out of work construction guy so using a book at home was more appealing to me than taking a class with a bunch of women in it. (Boy was I dumb!) I really felt so bad about being out of work and in constant pain then that I didn't feel like meeting anyone new.

RA is a tough row to hoe. I wish you all the best in dealing with it.

114 posted on 09/23/2010 8:10:17 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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Jogging is too. So is weightlifting. Hmm... Pranayama yoga is largely made up of breathing, so breathing must likewise anti-Christian. Pretty sure I’m not going to take advice from Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr. regarding what is and isn’t “anti-Christian”.

Thanks Willie Green.


115 posted on 09/23/2010 8:21:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Democratic Underground... matters are worse, as their latest fund drive has come up short...)
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To: tired&retired

Thanks - I’m not saying that all other books or videos are bad.

I figure I have maybe 20 years left on earth, and all I need to to as far as practicing yoga now is do what I already know! I won’t be able to do a headstand in full lotus any more, but heck - at least I won’t be starting from scratch.

;-)


116 posted on 09/23/2010 9:51:59 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: TigersEye

I liked Hittleman’s and it was a very concise and easy to follow method. I just wanted to go deeper into it.

Fortunately the RA is in about 98% remission and I’m ready to re-start my hatha yoga again. I’m really glad it took care of your back pain.


117 posted on 09/23/2010 9:53:25 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: little jeremiah
One of the things I do is teach workshops on the neuroscience of yoga. Have done this in many settings, including medical schools, divinity schools, churches ....

To prove how the soul works, I get volunteers from the audience and have them stand fifteen feet from me. They close their eyes, I do not touch them, and I do not say anything. When I reach out and touch the memories stored in their soul fields around their physical body, it knocks them off their feet as though I am physically shoving them. I then tell the person and the group what event happened in their life, at what age it occurred, who it involved, and explain that it is still hanging heavy on their soul. Using this, I can read stored memories all the way back to conception.(A child in the womb stores memories from the perspective of the mother's experiences) When I reach into these memories and say a prayer, it releases the blockage in the soul and unusual things happen. Yes, these heavy, thick areas in a person's soul block their light and are what causes illness.

The afferent neurons along the spinal column are the receptors for these stored memories. In order to block the recovery of emotional memories that are perceived as painful, a person tightens the muscles along the spine in order to put a tourniquet hold on the receptor cells and the cell body head in the dorsal root ganglia. This is the defense methodology of the body which causes disc compression and most back pain. The dermatonal areas of the body correspond to the specific vertebrae where the memory in the soul field is anchored.

Thus the gentleman who mentioned his back pain when he was off work would have pain about L3 or L4 as that is the area where security issues are usually anchored. Yoga serves to stretch the tightened muscles thus releasing the tension and allowing the emotional issues to flow back into conscious awareness where they can be resolved. Lack of suitable environment can cause a person to be overwhelmed rather than resolving the issue and result in even worse back pain as the fear of recovering the stored memory increases.

Included with the same workshop is “The Neuroscience of Prayer.” The two both facilitate soul cleansing and work best when they are used together. Prayer works more on the current operational frequency of consciousness (vertical axis) while yoga opens the access to cleanse the stored memories on the horizontal axis.

Incidentally, about 15 years ago I found myself moving my hand in front of me in the sign of the cross. The man I was healing was Jewish and I was not consciously making the sign of the cross. All I was doing was removing the clutter that was clogging the flow of Spirit at the intersection of the two axis of his soul. There is soooo much to learn when doing this work. Cancer is one of the easiest illnesses to identify the causes.

When people ask me how to learn to do this, I tell them to read the Bible, especially the New Testament, and live it.

118 posted on 09/24/2010 3:14:28 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: mdmathis6
The inhabitants of ancient India were very smart people and there seems to be evidence that India was the home of one of the first supercultures (after the dispersal of the peoples from Babel), perhaps having the power of flight. The sanskrit translations I’ve read of a supposed conflict with another super culture(, perhaps of which the Atlantis legend was born) are hair raising as it describes a battle of psychic spiritual power against an advanced scientific culture leaving both sides wiped out and parts of the Earth devastated. Proto Hinduistic ancients had left us an ancient cautionary tale of what happens to immature cultures unable to wield power and technology in a peaceful manner from some 5000 years ago....Then some several centuries after such a conflict, a certain man name Abram left his Mesopotamian home...and God began his plan to insert himself bodily into our history and this matter universe we live in!

What books do you recommend on this subject? I'm curious about this ancient "superculture" idea (never heard of it). Thanks!

119 posted on 09/24/2010 6:27:44 AM PDT by StrictTime (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: StrictTime

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/110678/ancient_rama_empire_of_india_.html?cat=34

See this article of the lost Rama Empire from 5000 years ago for an intro duction to the subject. The Brist found one of their lost cities in 1965. The finds gave great creadance to the old sanskrit legends regarding a great clash between the spiritual Rama empire and the more scientific and militaristic “Atlans”(yes as in Atlantis)... with weapons of types we would be familiar with today! From that article on can look for other books. Some of the artifacts that date back to that time are incredible such as little ornament shaped like delta winged fighters!


120 posted on 09/24/2010 8:06:14 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: TigersEye

Tai Chi is more described as a “dance”, the elements of which allow the practitioner to get in touch with and conform one self with the flow of energy or Chi that flows thru creation. To my mind that is not much different from what certain types of Yoga supposedly enables the practitioner to accomplish which opens one up to the “oneness of all”. If you want to argue that the philosophical and spiritual aims of each “system “ are different go ahead...but from my perspective it all springs from the fall of man in Eden, that man bought into the notion that we were all God, but were jealously being kept from understanding and experiencing our true potential. It was not enough that we were created living souls loved and cherished by God, we wanted to enter the realm of the ever existent uncreated consciousness of almighty God and tear him from his dwelling place,,,,and that was something that could never be. “Does the pot say to the potter, why have you made me thus?”

We exist as matter and spirit and we begin to fully actualize when we understand that is what and who we are made to be. Our evil flesh shall be destroyed at the day of Resurrection and our purified spirits shall be mated with new incorruptible bodies. The ark of the covenant was an early vision of God’s hope and vision for us, mainly that as God’s shekinah glory sits between the 2 cherubim, so does God’s spirit long to sit in the seat of our consciousnes having written the image of christ into our very beings! We our living Arks!


121 posted on 09/24/2010 8:29:42 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: tired&retired

Have i judged you? I merely pointed out that Christ in scripture never had a conversation exactly like you described and pointed out the context for the “pearls befor swine”.

As for judging lets look at the statement you cited again...the implication is that obviously a man with many faults shouldn’t be judging the one that has smaller faults. It doesn’t say however that no should never make any judgments at all! The statement is saying if you are going to judge another, make sure you are in the moral position to do so.(Take the log out of ones own eye before you can see clearly enough to take the speck out of your brother’s eye)

If you judge me for my supposed “judging” are you in fact claiming to be in the moral and spiritual position to tell me that I should not judge? How have you then concluded that I have logs in my own eye and not specks? Can you see clearly enough to help me get them out?

By the way, logs should be easier to remove then specks...easier to grab a hold of!


122 posted on 09/24/2010 8:47:22 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: muir_redwoods

No I conflate them all as having the same spiritual root; at the bottom of each lies a pantheistic, solipsistic view of each man fancying himself as his own God on his own throne. Yes there are window dressing differences between the various eastern movements, but in the end there is only one central conflict and one choice that all men face. Christ or Hell!

You can disagree with such a notion if you wish and I did find dozens of sources relating to the opinions I offered. Yet the greatest path to “enlightenment” is the the one which a man takes to discover just how much like God he is NOT! The irony is that the more a man embraces the person he really is, the more like a son of God he becomes. For we are all prodigals and we must all come to a place where we discover ourselves spiritually in the gutter and hungry without resouces and spiritually empty...only then can we turn to Heaven and say...You are my God and you have created me, create in me a clean heart and take not your Spirit from me!


123 posted on 09/24/2010 9:10:11 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: mdmathis6
It was not enough that we were created living souls loved and cherished by God, we wanted to enter the realm of the ever existent uncreated consciousness of almighty God and tear him from his dwelling place,,,,

You mean our hearts?

1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

So your plan is to put up a barrier between yourself and the "flow of energy or Chi that flows thru creation." Kind of odd that you capitalize 'chi' and don't capitalize 'Creation.' Says a lot.

We exist as matter and spirit and we begin to fully actualize when we understand that is what and who we are made to be.

Careful, you might begin to feel oneness with that. /s

124 posted on 09/24/2010 1:05:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: mdmathis6
The greeks saw mathematics as a gate way to the Gods, so did the Hindu’s, so do some of the psychiatric clients I’ve worked with over the years. Just goes to show that Numerology goes back as far as the Fall of Man itself.

I think we agree that sometimes people have used and still use numbers for communicating with the gods. But when I balance my check book, I only use numbers to count how much money I have left. I would say that I am in the majority.

I think the same could be said for yoga. Some have probably used it for communicating with the gods. But the majority use it only to keep their joints supple.

It turns out that numbers and yoga are both rather mundane subjects.

125 posted on 09/24/2010 2:09:01 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: mdmathis6
You are entitled to any opinion you wish to hold. In your case, however, when you air them they demonstrate your profound, almost unbelievable ignorance of the topics you choose to discuss. There is also more than a touch of paranoia in your words, INMO.

But as I said, you are entitled to such misery.

126 posted on 09/24/2010 6:09:09 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: tired&retired; little jeremiah
Thus the gentleman who mentioned his back pain when he was off work would have pain about L3 or L4 as that is the area where security issues are usually anchored.

That's not a bad guess for the later years of my pain. It actually began around L5 and felt like the upper arch of the ilium was another source. It is still tender there although I have very little lower back pain now.

Six months later my neck joined in the fun at about C5 and C6 as near as I can tell. That still gives me occasional problems but at least it isn't 24/7/365 like it was for the first 24 years.

But it all began several years before I was forced out of work. Forced out by that very pain.

127 posted on 09/24/2010 10:49:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: TigersEye
What happens is the compression of the disc, caused by the spinales muscles tightening like a banjo string, also causes the efferent neuron sending signals to the visceral organs to be impeded.

One of the most fascinating cases I worked on was a young man, age 17 who had severe scoliosis and was scheduled for surgery. His body frame looked as though he had just come from a German concentration camp as he appeared severely malnourished and had very little muscle mass, even though he was in a healthy environment with excellent parents.

By removing the emotional trauma attached to a memory of his parents getting divorced when he was six years old, the spinal muscles relaxed as they no longer needed to be tight to block the emotional reception. This relaxed the entire spine allowing the curvature to be released. The change in his total health was astonishing. No surgery was required.

It appears that the masculine aspect of consciousness utilizes the spinal muscles as a defense system while the feminine aspect utilizes the cerebellum. This is based upon my observations of responses resulting from emotional trauma memory stimulation over many years. Since both genders have both aspects of consciousness, it is a matter of which aspect is dominate in the individual and does not necessarily depend upon gender.

Please note, I am not a chiropractor and do not do physical spinal adjustments. The work is done entirely in the memory field, several feet from the person's body. I do not touch the person I am working with.

Using the above methods, PTSD can be removed in minutes, even if the event took place over fifty years ago. I've done many demonstrations in front of groups where I ask a volunteer from the group to recall the most emotionally traumatic event that ever happened to them in their life. It takes less than a minute for me to remove the emotion attached to the memory after which it is not even available for recall. The removal is permanent. It's like doing surgery on the soul.

128 posted on 09/25/2010 3:54:00 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: muir_redwoods

You acknowledge an agnostic out look when it comes to figuring out the differences between religion and superstition, there-fore you have lost hope in ever knowing the God who loves you or understanding of anything that is true. Therefore I think you need to question how you can judge anyone’s level of ignorance having no grasp of ultimate truth your self.

By the way, I have seen many wives die and husbands and have cared for dying children. Each still leaves in me a mark when I am there at the last moments. As an RN for 25 years and still active I have yet to lose hope in a Living God as you seem to have. I am not God, that was never to be man’s responsibility. Indeed my religious viewpoint shows me my own ignorance. Happily there is one cure for it, I go to Wisdom as described in Ecclesiastes, and dwell amongst her 7 pillars!


129 posted on 09/25/2010 11:29:33 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: stripes1776

It all about context really and what lies in the heart. One stumbles upon a kid doing some yoga moves he learned from his gym teacher, probably not a lot of harm there, he’ probably just stretching as one poster put it! Doing yoga and incorporating TM or hindu/bhuddist chants, quite another issue again, which the pastor mentioned in the posting was trying to warn against.

Similarly with math, it helps me with my checkbook as well though I often fret as to how little my account contains after expenses and all the freaking taxes we have to pay!


130 posted on 09/25/2010 11:39:11 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: muir_redwoods

Ecclesiastes chapters 1-3.

Proverbs chapter 9.

You proclaim me ignorant, look at those passages in the context of this conversation and proclaim me ignorant again.

As for paranoia, a wasted emotion for one end awaits us all; only one event awaits afterward...judgment!


131 posted on 09/25/2010 11:54:01 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: tired&retired

As a parent especially I can tell a few tales about discernment, as an RN, I can tell you a few more things. Part of the tactical nature of God’s dealings with his children; God hasn’t just strategically set things in motion then abandoned us as the dominoes fall.


132 posted on 09/25/2010 11:59:52 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: mdmathis6
Similarly with math, it helps me with my checkbook as well though I often fret as to how little my account contains after expenses and all the freaking taxes we have to pay!

Then there are the Christians who practice numerology and have received secret messages from God about 666.

133 posted on 09/25/2010 12:59:20 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776

Well now to be fair, Revelation does exhort those “who have wisdom, let them calculate the number of the beast.” The operative phrase, I will emphasize,(and to meet you half way) is “have wisdom”. There have been a lot of folks that seem to have no expertise(and therefore have no business) trying to “calculate” and identify the coming malevolent one! You wouldn’t find me in that number, I have no wisdom when it comes to that sort of thing...I could barely pass 2nd level algebra and trig in high school!(The final exam of which I think my teacher awarded a few brownie points because i stayed until the bitter end of the allotted time an hour after the last person had given up and left. My teacher told me that the proctor had remarked that he admired how I just kept trying and trying until the 3 hours were up. My math teacher and I actually became friends after that!)


134 posted on 09/25/2010 1:39:03 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: tired&retired

That is truly fascinating. Thank you for the great reply.


135 posted on 09/25/2010 1:43:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: mdmathis6
Well now to be fair, Revelation does exhort those “who have wisdom, let them calculate the number of the beast.”

I didn't know that superstitions like numerology were wisdom. It must be as good a system of knowledge as reading tea leaves.

136 posted on 09/25/2010 2:11:38 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776

It’s also a matter of faith and belief...Revelation said to “calculate the number of the beast” if one had wisdom, not to live ones whole life doing so or to go thru life trying to figure out via math when Christ was going to come back and whip up a whole bunch of folks into a frenzy in doing so. For me, I’ll believe in the Resurrection of Christ but the only thing I’ll calculate is my checkbook or the amount of time I have left before I go back to work again!

Now if you don’t believe the Bible or if you do but not necessarily a lot of the “end times stuff’, then obviously you’ll have a certain point of view regarding the “beast number as it were”. My belief is that only God knows the times and seasons; we are only given a few clues as to when Christ is about to reinvolve himself into our world setting again. We are to simply “occupy ourselves until he comes” with the mandates he left us.


137 posted on 09/25/2010 4:19:26 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: mdmathis6
t’s also a matter of faith and belief...

So, if you believe that a superstition like numerology is not a superstition, then it's not really a superstition anymore.

Doing yoga exercises makes more rational sense than that nonsense.

138 posted on 09/25/2010 4:30:53 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776

I’m not a fan of numerology, nor was Revelation advocating it, nor has the Bible ever endorsed it. Yet I can see numerology and Yoga(depending on what tradition and the aim of the practitioner) as having the same root, one of control of body and/or enviroment, feeding one’s illusions of personal godhood! Now that would seem irrational to me!


139 posted on 09/25/2010 4:45:20 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: mdmathis6
I’m not a fan of numerology, nor was Revelation advocating it, nor has the Bible ever endorsed it. Yet I can see numerology and Yoga(depending on what tradition and the aim of the practitioner) as having the same root, one of control of body and/or enviroment, feeding one’s illusions of personal godhood! Now that would seem irrational to me!

Yes, Christians who engage in numerology are participating in an irrational superstition.

140 posted on 09/25/2010 5:04:38 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: mdmathis6

Snore...

Red Sox 10
Yankees 8

No end but the grave awaits any of us. Your ancient book of lore was written by folks so dull they spent 40 years making a 19 day walk through the desert. There are a minimum of 2500 errors of fact in the bible. Bats aren’t birds but it says they are in Leviticus. The sun doesn’t circle the earth but it does so in Joshua.

Enjoy your fantasy


141 posted on 09/25/2010 5:49:46 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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