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Shocking revelation: Former Air Force personnel disclose UFO, alien-related threats
NECN ^

Posted on 09/27/2010 1:34:18 PM PDT by marbren

(NECN: Washington) - A press conference was held this afternoon at the National Press Club in Washington, where at least a dozen former U.S. Air Force personnel, mostly officers who worked on secret projects connected to sensitive nuclear weapons sites, are admitting that they were privy to UFO and alien-related incidents -- that occurred during their time of service.

In this clip, you will hear from: Retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas, Former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Dwayne Arneson and Former Air Force Official Bill Jameson

(Excerpt) Read more at necn.com ...


TOPICS: UFO's
KEYWORDS: humor; missiles; panstarrs; quix; qx; ufo; usaf
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To: Quix

Not sure why you pinged me with this - I could probably figure it out a bit better if you weren’t so incoherent.


251 posted on 09/29/2010 12:11:33 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks thanks.

I think I’d best link these posts of yours to my home page, too.


252 posted on 09/29/2010 1:03:44 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: eyedigress

There’s a lot in the public domain about such areas.

I suspect you could refer to such public domain stuff enough to say what . . . spheres of activity . . . or around what types of objects or critters you may have worked around . . . at least in general public domain terms.

My relative has not been bothered by the powers that be for his revelations—which he refrained from until most everything he had direct awareness of was essentially in the public domain anyway.


253 posted on 09/29/2010 1:15:04 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: eyedigress

I also think

“still secure”

could be an extremely relative phrase.


254 posted on 09/29/2010 1:15:40 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Lera

Interesting point about the language.


255 posted on 09/29/2010 1:16:29 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Errant

Thanks for the ping. It’s pretty interesting alright. Maybe more will be revealed or additional others collaborate these disclosures.

At some point you have to come to the conclusion that something is up.


Well put . . . though some willfully blind seem to avoid such rational conclusions somehow.


256 posted on 09/29/2010 1:17:36 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: eyedigress

I wouldn’t call it derision . . . more like humor about a challenging topic that’s . . . in ways . . . more serious than most of us prefer . . . more so than is easy for many to be comfortable with.

Kind of like the black humor of operating room medical personnel.


257 posted on 09/29/2010 1:21:19 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: caww

Thanks.

Interesting to a point.

I’d guess that we have a dozen different systems that could take such craft out of the air/commission in a flash from great distance.

And they won’t evade some of our sensors at all.


258 posted on 09/29/2010 1:23:47 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: atc23

THANKS THANKS.

I’d much prefer a terrestrial explanation. However, too much data just do not fit that explanation.


259 posted on 09/29/2010 1:24:40 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: dagogo redux; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; A knight without armor; albertp; aragorn; areafiftyone; ...

It’s not that difficult.

I’m sorry I didn’t make my request in shorter sentences and shorter words. I’ll try again.

1. Perhaps, maybe, possibly you’d grace us with the extreme, great, big kindness of viewing, seeing, watching 20 minutes or more of the National Press Club Conference from Monday on one of those links.

Which being translated could be states as:

1.1 Maybe you’ll get off your high horse lone enough to view 20 minutes or more of the videos of the conference.

2. THEN perhaps, maybe, possibly you’d give to us poor serfs and slaves the huge, extreme, great, big unworthy gift of your high, lofty, unreachable, awe triggering viewpoint on said presentations.

Which being interpreted might be stated as:

2.1 THEN you might bother telling those of us ungods what a lofty creature like you thinks of such presentations.

3. Perhaps, maybe, possibly THEN, SOME FREEPERS will be struck kowtowing faces to the floor in awe-struck dumb-foundment at your smart, brilliant, great, huge amount of cleverness and uncommon, rare, special understanding and instructive description.

Which could be translated as saying something like:

3.1 Maybe then 1 or 2 FREEPERS more clueless than you will faint dumbstruck on the floor from reading a response from Your Greatness.

I hope that’s clearer. If not, don’t bother. I don’t think I can make it any clearer.


260 posted on 09/29/2010 1:38:56 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: The Comedian

So it seems.


261 posted on 09/29/2010 1:42:33 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

I’m not sure what it is I’m accused of saying ‘nay’ to


262 posted on 09/29/2010 3:31:49 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Alamo-Girl
Thank you so much, Alamo-Girl, for your thoughtful response. I also appreciate your recommendation of Charlesworth's Pseudepigrapha. I will order both volumes shortly.

I would also like to ask your opinion of the R.H. Charles translation of I Enoch. That is the translation I have used so far. Do you approve?

263 posted on 09/29/2010 3:34:18 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Is Obama the Twelfth Imam? Farrakhan thinks he is!)
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To: SaraJohnson; Lera

As to the Sumerians, The Epic of Gilgamesh!


264 posted on 09/29/2010 3:44:24 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Is Obama the Twelfth Imam? Farrakhan thinks he is!)
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To: The Comedian
That's ole Roy Thinnes! He has a good site a link.
265 posted on 09/29/2010 3:48:24 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Is Obama the Twelfth Imam? Farrakhan thinks he is!)
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To: paul544; Quix
Because this is so circumstantial that there’s nothing to refute...

Actually, eyewitness accounts are not circumstantial evidence but direct evidence.

What is pathetic is your effort to impeach these witnesses with nothing more than an insult--"a couple of retired military guys who believe in UFO's." No logic, nothing close to critical or empirical thought...just a sloppy little insult.

While it is obvious on the face of it that you are pressing a deeply held prejudicial opinion instead of being willing to consider evidence--any evidence--these men just presented the facts (corroborated evidence in many cases) of what they had witnessed and drew no conclusions as to what it was.

Of course, if you had watched the video before engaging mouth, you would have known that.

266 posted on 09/29/2010 4:05:52 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Is Obama the Twelfth Imam? Farrakhan thinks he is!)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Alamo-Girl, thanks for your incredible help.

There is still one thing gnawing at me however...and I am certain you know the answer.

Why were the rabbis like Nachmanides, Rashi, and Rashbi (Simeon ben Jochai of the "curse") against Enoch? Was it the mention of The Elect One or the talk of Fallen Angels, etc. or both or even something else?

267 posted on 09/29/2010 4:52:38 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Is Obama the Twelfth Imam? Farrakhan thinks he is!)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
This is true and I have witnessed one myself (1986 Hudson Valley UFO sightings). But what I have trouble with is the leap people make between unidentified and extraterrestrial. I do not see how one automatically follows the other.

Because the object you saw may have been similar or identical to the ones people have reported seeing in the 1800s...

Today, it could be our own technology...But it certainly wasn't back then...

268 posted on 09/29/2010 5:00:59 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
You know the Reptilians are behind all this New World Order stuff, don’t you?

How can you look at the Obamas and realize Reptilians are out there???

269 posted on 09/29/2010 5:04:03 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: MHGinTN

LOL I have wanted to take a minute to read it, but have been busy circling all the pronouns in 1 Cor. I loved CS Lewis’ space trilogy.


270 posted on 09/29/2010 5:04:24 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: marbren
Well a Communist Manchurian Candidate got elected into the WH...anything is possible!
271 posted on 09/29/2010 5:08:35 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Quix

My conclusions: Over 100 of our best and brightest Military are either telling the truth about events they witnessed or engaged in a lie.

If they are telling the truth, the events relate the operation of physically detectable, radar, visual, electronically interactive devices of some type operating in what appears to be under intelligent control outside of our capabilities. Said device is capable of disabling nuke missile control system in a manner that allows them to be restored to active status. While that controlling intelligence allowed it to be observed, which indicated no desire to be undetected, it has not landed on the White House lawn and asked to be taken to our leader. They do not appear to be a direct threat to us, nor do they appear to be interested in revealing themselves in an undeniable manner. If they are eating us, they do not seem to be so numerous as to be much of a problem. They are not saving us from ourselves so they are not liberals or missionaries. Not much we can do about them other that try not to upset them too much. Until they initiate more direct interaction, there seems to be not much we could do. So wait and see. If and when they reveal themselves in an undeniable manner (to most), they will be seen as demons, angels, aliens, or whatever else individuals decide they are to retain their belief system.

If they are lying, they are part of some super secret New World Order to set up the conditions for aliens (liberals) to take over the world. Them, we can handle.


272 posted on 09/29/2010 5:28:07 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear SonOfDarkSkies!

I would also like to ask your opinion of the R.H. Charles translation of I Enoch. That is the translation I have used so far. Do you approve?

The R.H. Charles translation precedes the Isaac translation in Charlesworth's Pseudepigrapha by a century. The latter includes exhaustive commentary and comparisons between the manuscripts.

So, IMHO, you'd be missing a lot by using only the Charles translation. That said, I have not yet read the 2004 translations. They may be even better than Isaac's but the great advantage of Charlesworth's is that Enoch is set in context with many other ancient manuscripts which were informative in their day. Among these are Enoch II and Enoch III.

273 posted on 09/29/2010 6:19:42 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SonOfDarkSkies; Quix
Thank you for your question!

Why were the rabbis like Nachmanides, Rashi, and Rashbi (Simeon ben Jochai of the "curse") against Enoch? Was it the mention of The Elect One or the talk of Fallen Angels, etc. or both or even something else?

Obviously I cannot know their motives for sure but I suspect the readily apparent references to Christ made it a "must ban."

By the way, Bible scholars work on the presumption that prophesy cannot occur. Thus when they find a reference to a verifiable bit of history, they date the manuscript after that date.

They did that with the book of Enoch which they presumed was written after Herod because it evidently referred to him and more importantly, to Jesus Christ. The view is clear in Laurence's translation.

Then they found Enoch in the Dead Sea Scrolls and - lo and behold - fragments of copies of the book carbon-dated as far back as 200 B.C. (No telling how old the original was.)

In sum, Enoch has been inconvenient to many and for different reasons.

Although it is quoted directly and indirectly in the New Testament, which would normally result in a book being added to the canon, the Church found the apocalyptic references intolerable at the time.

To the Jews, even though Enoch was in wide currency before Christ was enfleshed, to continue to embrace the manuscript would require accepting Christ as the Messiah which would disagree with what the sages believed the Messiah should be like.

To the Bible scholars of the present age, the book makes their secular approach to ancient manuscripts - as if they wanted to be seen as scientists, methodological naturalists - foolish.

274 posted on 09/29/2010 6:43:19 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: atc23

Many of us are of the opinion that the huge triangles are ours ... possibly air versions of helo carriers.


275 posted on 09/29/2010 6:47:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Quix
2.A) What are your own responses to the presentations?

Seems to me to be some fairly qualified, straight-edge, non-kooky Air Force officers who experienced unusual things that were simply un-explainable in the common vernacular. Whether these experiences were the result of earthbound or alien actions, who knows? But I have an open mind about these things.

2.B) Why do you think the vast bulk of the naysayers are strangely absent from this thread?
2.C) Why do you think the vast bulk of other posters who are not per se dyed in the wool naysayers . . . and who have on occasion posted on such threads with some interest and frequency—yet are strangely absent from this thread?

I can't really comment with any authority; this is my first foray into one of these threads on FR.

276 posted on 09/29/2010 7:12:05 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Maybe you didn’t.

I lumped a lot of y’all into one ping . . . from that long RC thread . . . many had been extremely derisive on the topic.

I thought the responses of those with that kind of perspective/attitude to the Press Conference at the National Press Club with the high ranking military experiencers and whistleblowers would at least be interesting, if not educational.

And the military officers’ experiences are interesting merely as stories. So I didn’t think I was asking an onerous unpleasant thing. There’s also the chance that some of y’all might learn something beneficial, useful.


277 posted on 09/29/2010 7:19:31 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

I think some folks ‘knower’s’ are broken.


278 posted on 09/29/2010 7:21:12 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Iscool

INDEED.


279 posted on 09/29/2010 7:22:13 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Gadsden1st; The Comedian; ex-Texan

THANKS. Some good wisdom in your post.

1. Ike evidently met with one or two different groups of ET’s at least twice. Once at Edwards AFB and once at Holloman.

2. They are purportedly responsible—though known as liars—for convincing the NWO puppet masters that the global population MUST be forcably reduced to 200 million ASAP in order to save mankind and the planet.

3. THAT’S purportedly what the DDT ban, abortion, AIDS, homosexual propaganda, wars, bioengineered plagues, engineered famines, bans on vitamins & supplements, promoting cigarettes, alcoholism, banning cancer cures etc. are about.


280 posted on 09/29/2010 7:28:08 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Excellent. Thanks.

Going to add that to your wonderful Enoch edifications on the home page.


281 posted on 09/29/2010 7:31:18 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

“Brotherhood of the Bell”


282 posted on 09/29/2010 7:34:25 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: SlightOfTongue

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/11960/THE_SS_BROTHERHOOD_OF_THE_BELL__Pt_1_12/

I think you will find this interesting.


283 posted on 09/29/2010 7:38:51 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: MHGinTN

Some may well be.

I’m not convinced that the largest such are . . . the ones a mile to miles on a side.

However, there’s too little solid info to be very boldly assertive about what the truth is about them.


284 posted on 09/29/2010 7:39:20 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
OK, amen all that. "Interesting" it is, no doubt. I appreciate the ping.

And I know this is just a minor criticism, meaningless compared to the subject of the news story; but I really hated how childish the CNN weatherman treated the story. It's one thing to crack jokes when the story is about a dancing dog or some such nonsense - but this clown had no right displaying his mocking tone regarding a story with grown men, who have served their country in a manner infinitely more important than "Weather Reader," disclosing matters that clearly weighed heavily upon their heart.

285 posted on 09/29/2010 7:47:28 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hemingway's Ghost; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; A knight without armor; albertp; aragorn; ...

MUCH APPRECIATE your kind and candid comments. Very helpful.

However, it is . . . saddening in a sense.

In another sense,

MARANATHA LORD JESUS!

I’ve never looked forward to average citizens realizing the truths about such phenomena because it would mean the critters and craft were a LOT closer to becoming common knowledge and commonly more overtly involved in the New World Order globalism stuff.

I wonder if any of the FR mods who have been so caustic about the topic over the years have dared to watch the high ranking military officers’ conference videos. Have any of them been fair-minded enough to learn anything? Are they still locked into their naysaying attitudes and perspectives on the topic?

Does anyone have a clue about those questions?


286 posted on 09/29/2010 7:47:37 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: nolongerademocrat

I never wanted to believe that stuff.

There is a growing pile of evidence a lot of those contentions were true.


287 posted on 09/29/2010 7:49:31 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: nolongerademocrat

But then that gets into Antarctica, Hitler surviving WWII etc. etc. which I even MORE don’t want to believe.


288 posted on 09/29/2010 7:50:22 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix
Thanks again, Alamo-Girl, for your wonderful help in this matter. I will order Charlesworth's Pseudepigrapha as soon as I can afford it!
289 posted on 09/29/2010 7:52:46 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Is Obama the Twelfth Imam? Farrakhan thinks he is!)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

However, the traitorous stooges of the globalist who own all the media and have given orders for decades about what can and can’t be discussed . . . many of them have known the truth for decades and have chafed under such truth embargoes.

The weather reader jerk was probably as ‘victimized’ by the mentality of cultivated derisiveness as most underling media types. Still no excuse for being that way toward such excellent military personnel. But it may be a partial explanation.

I think it was . . . ABC’s . . . died not that long ago . . . what’s his name—star nightly news . . . once told a researcher that the researcher KNEW the powers that be would not let them tell the true good stuff. He had given a special on the topic that was purported to be going to blow the lid off the topic only to muffle the usual disinfo nonsense. And when confronted after the showing, that was his response.


290 posted on 09/29/2010 7:54:44 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

IIRC, Stanton Friedman was the one who confronted him.


291 posted on 09/29/2010 7:55:19 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

All that is fascinating . . . particularly given that

CNN is the one giving such coverage to this Press Conference.

CNN is the paramount globalist flag-ship media stooge, media of record of globalist propaganda brainwashing.

They didn’t take such an active, huge role in this without orders to do exactly that from the same folks who are in control of the UFO technologies.


292 posted on 09/29/2010 7:56:52 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

I do confess that I’m not exactly drying

over a lessening of my Rodney Dangerfield role in all this.


293 posted on 09/29/2010 7:57:42 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
I do confess that I'm not exactly drying . . . CRYING

over a lessening of my Rodney Dangerfield role in all this.

294 posted on 09/29/2010 7:58:34 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

It’s not that difficult.

I’m sorry I didn’t make my request in shorter sentences and shorter words. I’ll try again.

1. Perhaps, maybe, possibly you’d grace us with the extreme, great, big kindness of viewing, seeing, watching 20 minutes or more of the National Press Club Conference from Monday on one of those links.

Which being translated could be states as:

1.1 Maybe you’ll get off your high horse lone enough to view 20 minutes or more of the videos of the conference.

2. THEN perhaps, maybe, possibly you’d give to us poor serfs and slaves the huge, extreme, great, big unworthy gift of your high, lofty, unreachable, awe triggering viewpoint on said presentations.

Which being interpreted might be stated as:

2.1 THEN you might bother telling those of us ungods what a lofty creature like you thinks of such presentations.

3. Perhaps, maybe, possibly THEN, SOME FREEPERS will be struck kowtowing faces to the floor in awe-struck dumb-foundment at your smart, brilliant, great, huge amount of cleverness and uncommon, rare, special understanding and instructive description.

Which could be translated as saying something like:

3.1 Maybe then 1 or 2 FREEPERS more clueless than you will faint dumbstruck on the floor from reading a response from Your Greatness.

I hope that’s clearer. If not, don’t bother. I don’t think I can make it any clearer.

_________________________________________________________________

Sophomore (look up the etiology).

The info on the video, BTW, is very old knowledge. That you are so worked up about it as some great revelation is laughable.

“’Course it may not be intelligent life” - such as yourself.


295 posted on 09/29/2010 8:04:32 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Sword of Methuselah


296 posted on 09/29/2010 8:04:35 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: relictele
Agree!

People are so gullible.

It's bad enough we practically worship the environment.

Now we had this craziness.

Art Bell will clean up on this or was he abducted again?

297 posted on 09/29/2010 8:08:15 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: dagogo redux

Evidently your ignorance about my knowledge of and stance on such things is greater than I thought.

Of course it’s very old knowledge—though a few new bits were shared.

Of course this has been going on for 60+ years as I’ve been pontificating about hereon for more than 10 years.

Where have you been?

Head in the sand?

I know . . . just nose in the air.


298 posted on 09/29/2010 8:19:29 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

There are several videos on this report

http://theintelhub.com/2010/09/27/u-s-military-pilots-at-the-national-press-club-ufos-deactivated-nukes/

Robert Salas UFO Press Conference 9/27/10 Nukes Deactivated (pt1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqzoC3QPI_E&feature=player_embedded

Dwayne Arneson UFO Nukes Deactivated Press Conference 9/27/10 (pt 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiMqFE1ar20&feature=player_embedded

Former Air Force Official Bill Jameson UFO/Nukes Press Conference 9/27/10 (pt 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv25GLakkf4&feature=player_embedded


299 posted on 09/29/2010 8:19:43 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: dagogo redux

I assume your Buddhist perspective has brought you into contact with the INDIAN craft of many many centuries ago. . . . and evidently the atomic wars involved.


300 posted on 09/29/2010 8:21:49 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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