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Shocking revelation: Former Air Force personnel disclose UFO, alien-related threats
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Posted on 09/27/2010 1:34:18 PM PDT by marbren

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To: Quix

Because this is so circumstantial that there’s nothing to refute other than a couple of retired military guys who are professed UFO believers. It’s not like there are fuzzy pictures or such to pick apart. In this case it would amount to little more than he said she said.


201 posted on 09/28/2010 7:33:30 PM PDT by paul544
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To: Quix


202 posted on 09/28/2010 7:41:03 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: paul544

Fascinating perspective . . . in a sad sort of way.


203 posted on 09/28/2010 7:48:41 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: narses
FINALLY!
A CLASSICAL SORT OF
TERMINALLY
IGNORANT
POST!
.

THANKS SO MUCH
for returning us
to the typical
naysaying cluelessness
and willful blindness.
evidently you 'watched' the videos
with your eyes shut
and ear plugs in.
MOST IMPRESSIVE!

204 posted on 09/28/2010 7:53:40 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix
Have watched one partial repay of the conference, but not the whole thing. Will try to get to it tonight.
This is the kind of evidence I believe now more than possible photo shopped pictures and videos.
Professional military men of rank with nothing to gain reporting what they witnessed.
For me to believe photos and videos, it has to come from multiple independent sources. The well of information involving photos has been poisoned too much by jokers and fraudsters making it hard to determine what is real. Kind of sad.

All and all I found it to be a cut above most conferences of that type.
My "KOOK" detector did not go off once ;^)

205 posted on 09/28/2010 7:54:17 PM PDT by The Cajun
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To: The Cajun

THANKS TONS.

Some of us have talked to such whistleblowers for many years and knew their authenticity and the solidity of their testimony. However, thankfully, it was not time yet.

I STILL WISH it were not time. However, it is inexorable.

So, we must help folks—particularly conservatives and Christians wake-up and come to terms with such realities without losing their faith or their values. And, hopefully, with some better options for survival than they would otherwise have.

Thanks for your candid fair-mindedness. Greatly appreciated.


206 posted on 09/28/2010 7:57:26 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix
Well it's easy to have an open mind and be fair minded once you see something you still can't explain.

FR thread link
Like I said, nothing much, but it changed my way of thinking about such things. Most of the time it's best to believe your eyes ;^)

207 posted on 09/28/2010 8:15:45 PM PDT by The Cajun
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To: Quix

(3) what are the written languages of the post Flood giant tribes in the mid-2nd millennium BC (one of the many cuneiform dialects or possibly even hieroglyphics in the case of the Amalekites who lived on the Sinai Peninsula in the time of Moses?).


Good place to start to look might be with the Sumerians.
A bunch of their stuff depicts giants as their kings.
I forget where I read or heard it but it was something about how they thought they were suppose to be hybrids.


208 posted on 09/28/2010 8:26:38 PM PDT by Lera
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To: Quix
You still seem quite unaware that the Vatican has been talking about the critters as citizens of distant planets for quite a number of years now—at increastinly overt official levels.

Individual members thinking do NOT represent a dogma. There is not a dogma on this outside of human life and the demonic

209 posted on 09/28/2010 8:30:22 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Quix

“”fallen angels, actually.””

Fallen angels can only make use of material things of this world,not beyond it,thus cannot produce a real miracle ,only an illusion through a deceptive act of a created human being.

That said, Fallen Angels and demons are a possibility of deception that you might be correct about


210 posted on 09/28/2010 8:34:05 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: The Cajun

INDEED.

AGREED.

Personal experience trumps ignorant arguments any day easily.


211 posted on 09/28/2010 8:42:18 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: stfassisi; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

So perhaps you can inform us . . .

how many centuries does it take on average . . . before a Pope starts to promulgate a new construct until it becomes part of dogma?

That straw dog won’t hunt here any more than it will in the Religion Forum.

What a hollow, reply.

Sheesh.


212 posted on 09/28/2010 8:45:04 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: stfassisi

Thanks.

I appreciate the candor.

However, your assumptions about fallen angels outside of earth has no basis in Scripture nor in other convincing evidence that I can recall.


213 posted on 09/28/2010 8:46:29 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Can you imagine what the Liberals would do with the power to impose an ET agenda on their inferior human beings. If the ET’s wanted to eat people, for example, liberals would demand to be able to hand the people over with religious, political, racial and sexual orders in mind.

I say we quickly offer up our “brightest and best” meals on earth to our space friends - the liberals (progressives). After the ETs are fat and sleepy, we can knock them off. ;)


214 posted on 09/28/2010 8:47:54 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: DCPatriot

“Your post reminds me of The Overton Window, by Glenn Beck.”

Never read but it would not take much convincing to persuade a Hollywood influenced generation of people to believe in this.

HG wells paved the road for this psychological effect with War of The Worlds broadcast that people committed suicide over


215 posted on 09/28/2010 8:49:32 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: SonOfDarkSkies; Quix
Thank you so much for your questions, dear SonofDarkSkies!

I am still interested--as mentioned previously--to see if I can find any defensible logic as to why and how early Church fathers and great and early Torah scholars dismissed Enoch so passionately. As far as I can tell, they all twist themselves into pretzels to avoid the fallen angel intermingle concept.

I suspect the main reason the Church turned its back on Enoch after using it so long, was that they were getting discouraged because Christ hadn't yet come again.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. - 2 Peter 3:9

The Book of Enoch (Enoch I) is written for the end times much like Revelation. And like Revelation, it contains a blessing for those who will read it.

The blessing of Enoch; with which he blessed the elect and the righteous who would be present on the day of tribulation at (the time of) the removal of all the ungodly ones. And Enoch, the blessed and righteous man of the Lord, took up (his parable) while his eyes were open and he saw, and said "(This is) a holy vision from the heavens which the angels showed me; and I heard from them everything and I understood. I look not for this generation but for the distant one that is coming. I speak about the elect ones and concerning them. (The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, Volume I, 1 Enoch)

Also, since Enoch so obviously refers to Christ, it is no wonder the Rabbis rejected it even though it had been in use for many years.

The Book of Enoch (also known as 1 Enoch) was once cherished by Jews and Christians alike, this book later fell into disfavor with powerful theologians–precisely because of its controversial statements on the nature and deeds of the fallen angels…

The theme of the Book of Enoch dealing with the nature and deeds of the fallen angels so infuriated the later Church fathers that one, Filastrius, actually condemned it openly as heresy (Filastrius, Liber de Haeresibus, no. 108). Nor did the rabbis deign to give credence to the book’s teaching about angels. Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai in the second century A.D. pronounced a curse upon those who believed it (Delitzsch, p. 223).

So the book was denounced, banned, cursed, no doubt burned and shredded–and last but not least, lost (and conveniently forgotten) for a thousand years. But with an uncanny persistence, the Book of Enoch found its way back into circulation two centuries ago.

In 1773, rumors of a surviving copy of the book drew Scottish explorer James Bruce to distant Ethiopia. True to hearsay, the Book of Enoch had been preserved by the Ethiopic church, which put it right alongside the other books of the Bible…

Though it was once believed to be post-Christian (the similarities to Christian terminology and teaching are striking), recent discoveries of copies of the book among the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran prove that the book was in existence before the time of Jesus Christ. But the date of the original writing upon which the second century B.C. Qumran copies were based is shrouded in obscurity. It is, in a word, old…

There is abundant proof that Christ approved of the Book of Enoch. Over a hundred phrases in the New Testament find precedents in the Book of Enoch.

Another remarkable bit of evidence for the early Christians’ acceptance of the Book of Enoch was for many years buried under the King James Bible’s mistranslation of Luke 9:35, describing the transfiguration of Christ: "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, ‘This is my beloved Son: hear him." Apparently the translator here wished to make this verse agree with a similar verse in Matthew and Mark. But Luke’s verse in the original Greek reads: "This is my Son, the Elect One (from the Greek ho eklelegmenos, lit., "the elect one"): hear him."

The "Elect One" is a most significant term (found fourteen times) in the Book of Enoch. If the book was indeed known to the apostles of Christ, with its abundant descriptions of the Elect One who should "sit upon the throne of glory" and the Elect One who should "dwell in the midst of them," then the great scriptural authenticity is accorded to the Book of Enoch when the "voice out of the cloud" tells the apostles, "This is my Son, the Elect One"–the one promised in the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Jude tells us in vs. 14 that "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied…" Jude also, in vs. 15, makes a direct reference to the Book of Enoch (2:1), where he writes, "to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly…" …

Many of the early church fathers also supported the Enochian writings. Justin Martyr ascribed all evil to demons whom he alleged to be the offspring of the angels who fell through lust for women (from the Ibid.)–directly referencing the Enochian writings.

Athenagoras, writing in his work called Legatio in about 170 A.D., regards Enoch as a true prophet. He describes the angels which "violated both their own nature and their office." In his writings, he goes into detail about the nature of fallen angels and the cause of their fall, which comes directly from the Enochian writings.

Many other church fathers: Tatian (110-172); Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (115-185); Clement of Alexandria (150-220); Tertullian (160-230); Origen (186-255); Lactantius (260-330); in addition to: Methodius of Philippi, Minucius Felix, Commodianus, and Ambrose of Milanalso–also approved of and supported the Enochian writings…

One by one the arguments against the Book of Enoch fade away. The day may soon arrive when the final complaints about the Book of Enoch’s lack of historicity and "late date" are also silenced by new evidence of the book’s real antiquity.

Introduction

If you are going to study Enoch, I strongly suggest Charlesworth's Pseudepigrapha because it includes many scholarly insights, footnotes, the other two Books of Enoch and has the latest translation. Often what you find on the internet is New Age and that based on pre-Dead Sea Scroll era translations.

In a nutshell, Enoch I tells us that angels were assigned to earth to watch after the banished Adamic men. Instead, they acted willfully having sex with human women and producing bloodthirsty giants. And more, they taught man all kinds of forbidden knowledge such as war and weapons. All of this further explains Genesis 6.

The angels were seized and chained in darkness until the judgment and God took Enoch to be their advocate. Which he did, but their fate was sealed. The angels' plea was for their offspring. And, as I recall, the bodies of their offspring were destroyed by the flood but their spirits continued on the earth as the "demons."

And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him. - Mark 1:34

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. - Mark 8:29-31

God's Name is I AM.

216 posted on 09/28/2010 8:52:12 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

“”However, your assumptions about fallen angels outside of earth has no basis in Scripture nor in other convincing evidence that I can recall””

It’s based on real stories of early Christians who battled the demoniac and knew their limitations.

I’ll try and give you some examples if time permits me tomorrow.

I wish you a Blessed Evening


217 posted on 09/28/2010 8:54:53 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Quix
Why do you think the vast bulk of other posters who are not per se dyed in the wool naysayers . . . and who have on occasion posted on such threads with some interest and frequency—yet are strangely absent from this thread?

They are awaiting further instructions.

218 posted on 09/28/2010 8:56:47 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Alamo-Girl

THANKS ENORMOUSLY. I think that’s better even than your earlier such.

Much appreciated.


219 posted on 09/28/2010 9:01:37 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: stfassisi

I would be interested in such stories.

However, I’m not impressed with historical mangling by early Christians and “church ‘fathers.’”


220 posted on 09/28/2010 9:02:49 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Alamo-Girl

Are all the Dead Sea versions/translations of Enoch compromised beyond usefulness?

None are close to your preferred version?


221 posted on 09/28/2010 9:08:16 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: SaraJohnson

LOL.


222 posted on 09/28/2010 9:09:48 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Oratam

They are awaiting further instructions.


That would be better than stuck with their heads in the sand.


223 posted on 09/28/2010 9:11:26 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

They were completely believable, and their testimony was corroborated by other military personnel. Whatever happened, it was probably very nearly as stated.


224 posted on 09/28/2010 9:12:54 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Lera

Good place to start to look might be with the Sumerians.
A bunch of their stuff depicts giants as their kings.
I forget where I read or heard it but it was something about how they thought they were suppose to be hybrids.


You can read about this in the Bible. In the days of Noah the fallen angles came to earth and bred with women. The giants were their hybrid offspring. God was not so happy about the liberals of that day (fallen angels) socially re-educating and genetically re-engineering His Creation. Hence, the flood.


225 posted on 09/28/2010 9:13:35 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Oratam; All

All;

The first thumbnail on the left does not work. All the other thumbnails work and they are well worth watching/listening to.

http://blip.tv/file/4172861


226 posted on 09/28/2010 9:14:08 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

They were completely believable, and their testimony was corroborated by other military personnel. Whatever happened, it was probably very nearly as stated.


That’s my sense as well.

Thanks for your candor. You are certainly quite accurate.

However, some of us have realized that long ago.

I would rather it were still unbelievable. However, given that it’s coming out . . . I’d rather conservatives and Christians woke up early on and got their affairs in order accordingly.


227 posted on 09/28/2010 9:17:39 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: stfassisi

“The Chinese are already experimenting with human animal hybrids”

Kinda like Soylent Green with bunny ears.


228 posted on 09/28/2010 9:18:26 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

LOL.

nega hoodze sure fait zang qi gwai

terrible pin yin but . . . roughly—that rabbit is very strange.


229 posted on 09/28/2010 9:20:41 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: huldah1776; Errant

Occurred to me that you two might find the post and this thread interesting, so ... PING


230 posted on 09/28/2010 9:22:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: marbren
I don't know what they are, but I know it's going to end up with cerebral hemorrhages and anal probes, and probably some lizard person eating a live hamster.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

231 posted on 09/28/2010 9:28:49 PM PDT by The Comedian (Guns, Gold, Food - The guy with the guns ends up with all the gold and food.)
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To: Quix

Quix, I’m not seeing any ‘thumbnails’ at the link unless you click on the ‘Browse’ link and that isn’t even about the presser. To what ‘thumbnails’ are you referring?


232 posted on 09/28/2010 9:29:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: The Comedian

Keep Stawberry Icecream in the icebox. It is the one thing that works. :^)


233 posted on 09/28/2010 9:32:09 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: The Comedian

When I was 2 or 3 years old in 1967 or 1968 my Mom said that when ever I saw a huge water tower i would yell “the invaders are here”...your picture brings back memories...


234 posted on 09/28/2010 9:35:17 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: MHGinTN

Hey, I’m a 51 guy and knows this. It’s Straw-Berry Ice cream.


235 posted on 09/28/2010 9:39:11 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: The Comedian

After watching it all via youtube segments, I have to say these men were completely credible. The nuclear missiles were compromised and even the SAT crew were scared out of their pants to go near the objects invading the missile perimeters. Perhaps the objects were of our nation origin, our black projects nation, but the implications from flight details would argue otherwise. As one who has had an encounter with a UFO, I am inclined to believe these guys without hesitation. A couple of the ‘reporters’ who attended and went to the Q&A mics, not so much.


236 posted on 09/28/2010 9:41:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: SaraJohnson; Quix

Yes thanks , I am familiar with it.
I guess I should have been more clear in my previous post to Quix that the main reason the Sumerians came to mind was their language . Their language was very different for the area , not Semitic or Indo in origin.


237 posted on 09/28/2010 9:42:15 PM PDT by Lera
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To: eyedigress

Okay, have your fun—and plenty of ice cream—but this is more serious than folks would like to believe.


238 posted on 09/28/2010 9:43:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Wow.

I just closed the window as the last video played less than 2 minutes ago.

Now I’m getting the same thing you are when I click on that link.

Interesting.

Sorry.

I don’t know where else that could be found. It was a series of about 5 or 6 long videos from a EUROPEAN EXOPOLITICS CONFERENCE IN SPAIN.

Maybe we can try and find another link that works tomorrow.

Some new stuff on it but nothing earthshaking. Just incremental disclosure stuff . . . and a lot of political stuff that was fascinating but also nauseating given globalism and liberals involved.

Sorry it wasn’t isn’t available.


239 posted on 09/28/2010 9:45:30 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MHGinTN
Thanks for the ping. It's pretty interesting alright. Maybe more will be revealed or additional others collaborate these disclosures.

At some point you have to come to the conclusion that something is up.

240 posted on 09/28/2010 9:46:27 PM PDT by Errant
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To: MHGinTN

VERY WELL PUT.

THX THX.


241 posted on 09/28/2010 9:46:46 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MHGinTN

LONG DAY.

Heading for shower and bed.

Thx all.


242 posted on 09/28/2010 9:47:35 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: MHGinTN

It’s not fun. We’ll sometimes. Just make sure a few facts don’t get messed up. Was I an employee at Nevada Test Site....Yes. Was it kinda secret...Yes. Was it for security of information......Yes. Is it still secure.....Yes.


243 posted on 09/28/2010 9:48:06 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Quix
Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!

The distinction I am making is between the translations made before the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in 1946 - and the translations made after which included those insights.

Major English Translations of Enoch:

1821 Richard Laurence
1893 R.H. Charles
1976 Fragments from the Dead Sea Scrolls by Jozef Milik
1978 Michael Knibb
1983 E Isaac (Charlesworth's Pseudepigrapha)
1985 Black
2004 Olson
2004 Nickelsburg and VanderKam

244 posted on 09/28/2010 9:48:50 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: eyedigress

I must be missing something because I don’t get the connection between your work history, the seriousness of the disclosure these credible men have given, and your derision of the topic.


245 posted on 09/28/2010 9:51:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Yup, I'm right there with ya, for different reasons.

Disclosure is, apparently, upon us.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

246 posted on 09/28/2010 9:53:49 PM PDT by The Comedian (Guns, Gold, Food - The guy with the guns ends up with all the gold and food.)
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To: MHGinTN

If you have a sentence or two tell me about that derision and how you see it.


247 posted on 09/28/2010 9:54:13 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: MHGinTN

No telling. Enough, Phhhhttt.


248 posted on 09/28/2010 10:04:04 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Quix

Iran unveils radar evading flying boats....video link below..thought you might be interested.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/8030445/Iran-unveil-radar-evading-flying-boats.html?utm_source=tmg&utm_medium=TD_8030445&utm_campaign=video2909am


249 posted on 09/28/2010 10:12:55 PM PDT by caww
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To: Quix
All of the stuff I saw was near or over Fort Huachuca in Sierra Vista, AZ. I have also seen a couple things that I thought were advanced aircraft out of Davis-Monthan AFB near Tucson.

I saw the big triangle coming home from work one night directly over me on highway 80 between Tombstone and Bisbee. A truly massive semi transparent obsidian thing. The air was crackling around me when I pulled over and got out of the car to look up at it. I was stunned and speechless.

I don't know if they're et or not and I really don't understand people that automatically assume that if you say you've seen something, they think you mean little green men. I rather prefer a more terrestrial explanation - breakaway civilization with technology decades ahead of what we currently are familiar with.

250 posted on 09/28/2010 10:30:36 PM PDT by atc23
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