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This Day in Civil War History October 16th, 1859 John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry
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Posted on 10/16/2010 4:28:16 AM PDT by mainepatsfan

Civil War

Oct 16, 1859:

John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry

Abolitionist John Brown leads a small group on a raid against an arsenal in Harpers Ferry, Virginia, in an attempt to incite an insurrection and destroy the institution of slavery.

Born in Connecticut in 1800 and raised in Ohio, Brown came from a staunchly Calvinist and antislavery family. He spent much of his life failing at a variety of businesses--he declared bankruptcy at age 42 and had more than 20 lawsuits filed against him. In 1837, his life changed irrevocably when he attended an abolition meeting in Cleveland, during which he was so moved that he publicly announced his dedication to destroying the institution of slavery. As early as 1848 he was formulating a plan to incite an insurrection, and he shared the idea with Frederick Douglass.

In the 1850s, Brown traveled to Kansas with five of his sons to fight against the proslavery forces in the contest over that territory. On May 21, 1856, proslavery men raided the abolitionist town of Lawrence, and Brown personally sought revenge. On May 25, Brown and his sons attacked three cabins along Pottawatomie Creek. They killed five men with broad swords and triggered a summer of guerilla warfare in the troubled territory. One of Brown's sons was killed in the fighting.

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If you haven't visited Harpers Ferry, VA I highly recommend it.
1 posted on 10/16/2010 4:28:21 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

“an attempt to incite an insurrection and destroy the institution of slavery.”

If free elections lose their meaning in America, we’ll need an insurrection to destroy Obamaville.


2 posted on 10/16/2010 4:39:09 AM PDT by Canedawg (Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools that have not wit to be honest.- Poor Richard's Alm.)
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To: mainepatsfan

John Brown was full of the Lord, just doing God’s will.


3 posted on 10/16/2010 4:40:08 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: mainepatsfan

Antebellum.


4 posted on 10/16/2010 4:48:19 AM PDT by KingLudd
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To: Walts Ice Pick

A fanatic is a person who does what the Almighty would do if he were in possession of all of the facts.


5 posted on 10/16/2010 5:14:56 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Great Season Tampa Bay Rays! (Now, kindly send Carl Crawford to Boston.))
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To: Canedawg
If free elections lose their meaning in America, we’ll need an insurrection to destroy Obamaville.

Because after all it worked so well in 1860.

6 posted on 10/16/2010 5:17:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: Walts Ice Pick

Well, he was not encumbered by realism.

“Although Brown spent years dreaming of the raid, he apparently put little thought into the specifics of its execution. He made no attempt to notify the slaves that he hoped would join him, and he had little idea what to do with the armory he planned to capture.”


7 posted on 10/16/2010 5:18:09 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
A fanatic is a person who does what the Almighty would do if he were in possession of all of the facts.

Does that include Muslim fanatics or just Christian ones?

8 posted on 10/16/2010 5:19:17 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

You seem to be a RINO at heart.


9 posted on 10/16/2010 5:25:59 AM PDT by Canedawg (Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools that have not wit to be honest.- Poor Richard's Alm.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Any and all. It’s an old saying.


10 posted on 10/16/2010 5:29:14 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Great Season Tampa Bay Rays! (Now, kindly send Carl Crawford to Boston.))
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To: Non-Sequitur
If free elections lose their meaning in America, we’ll need an insurrection to destroy Obamaville.

Because after all it worked so well in 1860.

The post was directed towards John Brown's insurrection, which, in the end, succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

11 posted on 10/16/2010 5:41:48 AM PDT by Castlebar
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To: mainepatsfan

My wife and I were coming back from a trip to NY state some yrs. ago.
We stopped in Gettysburg to take in the history. I had a relative that was involved in Pickett’s Charge and wanted to see that historical ground.

It was far more sobering than I imagined it would be.
Spent the night in Gettysburg, and drove to Antietam and toured the battlefield of the bloodiest battle of the War.

Pulling out of the parking lot I turned right instead of left onto the
Old Harpers Ferry Road instead of going left that would have taken me back to the new highway.

So glad I did.
The road is two lane, like driving in the mountains, following the Potomac River. Absolutely gorgeous .
You can still see the barge canal, locks of the old C&O canal.
At the confluence of the Potomac and Shenandoah Rivers sits Harpers Ferry.
On the Potomac side, old storefronts that may well have been standing from Civil War days.
The Shenandoah River is a series on rapids/falls over steps. Unusual and beautiful.
We were running out of time so only drove through Harpers Ferry but it’s a step back in time.

Thanks for the reminder, I want to go back and spend some time in Harpers Ferry and surroundings.


12 posted on 10/16/2010 5:42:19 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Canedawg
You seem to be a RINO at heart.

Free elections lost their meaning in 1860 when the Southern states used one as an excuse to launch a protracted and bloody rebellion. There is nothing conservative about agreeing with that.

13 posted on 10/16/2010 5:49:38 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
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14 posted on 10/16/2010 5:51:02 AM PDT by Canedawg (Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools that have not wit to be honest.- Poor Richard's Alm.)
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To: Canedawg

That’s a nifty place ya got there.


15 posted on 10/16/2010 6:02:48 AM PDT by RedwM
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To: Non-Sequitur

Excuse ? They lost the elections, didn’t like it and thought it was worth fighting and dying for. To me, that’s as conservative as conservative gets.


16 posted on 10/16/2010 6:04:02 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: mainepatsfan
I never understood how VA could charge him for treason, even way back in 6th grade or what ever year it was.

Then I saw his cabin and grave in the Lake Placid, NY area (a few years before the '80 Olympics) and was really confused about the treason thing.

17 posted on 10/16/2010 6:11:55 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: major-pelham
They lost the elections, didn’t like it and thought it was worth fighting and dying for. To me, that’s as conservative as conservative gets.

You define 'conservatism' as "If I don't get my way I'm going to take my ball and go home. Then I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue?"

18 posted on 10/16/2010 6:14:52 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: Calvin Locke
I never understood how VA could charge him for treason, even way back in 6th grade or what ever year it was.

That's always puzzled me, too. How do you commit treason against a state you weren't born in and had never lived in? As if the murder charges weren't enough to send him to the gallows, they had to toss in bogus 'treason against the Commonwealth' charges. That would be like charging every German, Japanese, and Italian POW during WW2 with treason and executing them.

19 posted on 10/16/2010 6:17:52 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: Walts Ice Pick
John Brown was full of the Lord, just doing God’s will.

Sure, if you believe in this kind of God:
"The devil and wicked men are so held in on every side with the hand of God, that they cannot conceive, or contrive, or execute any mischief, any farther than God himself doth not permit only, but command. Nor are they only held in fetters, but compelled also, as with a bridle, to perform obedience to those commands."

"...when God makes angels or men sin, he does not sin himself, because he does not break any law. For God is under no law, and therefore cannot sin."
John Brown was full of something, but I don't think it was the Lord.
20 posted on 10/16/2010 6:34:02 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Non-Sequitur
I never understood how VA could charge him for treason, even way back in 6th grade or what ever year it was. That's always puzzled me, too. How do you commit treason against a state you weren't born in and had never lived in? As if the murder charges weren't enough to send him to the gallows, they had to toss in bogus 'treason against the Commonwealth' charges. That would be like charging every German, Japanese, and Italian POW during WW2 with treason and executing them.

As I recall William Joyce (AKA "Lord Haw Haw") was tried and hanged as a traitor by the British even though he was technically an American citizen.

21 posted on 10/16/2010 6:41:12 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

Brown cared about blacks so much that the one of his first victims in the raid was a free black man of Harpers Ferry who refused to join his raid.


22 posted on 10/16/2010 6:43:27 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's Easy! Use FR to Pimp Your Blog!)
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To: Walts Ice Pick

Really?


Initially, the raid went well, and they met no resistance entering the town. They cut the telegraph wires and easily captured the armory, which was being defended by a single watchman. They next rounded up hostages from nearby farms, including Colonel Lewis Washington, great-grandnephew of George Washington. They also spread the news to the local slaves that their liberation was at hand. Things started to go wrong when an eastbound Baltimore & Ohio train approached the town. The train’s baggage master tried to warn the passengers. Brown’s men yelled for him to halt and then opened fire.
The baggage master, Hayward Shepherd, became the first casualty of John Brown’s war against slavery.
_Ironically, Shepherd was a free black man._
_Two of the hostages’ slaves also died in the raid._
For some reason, after the shooting of Shepherd, Brown allowed the train to continue on its way.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottawatomie_Massacre


Can’t imagine the Lord was over pleased by all that.

The monument to Hayward Shepherd, paid for and erected by the daughters of the Confederacy was first walled up in plywood after “Brown Worshipers” complained and then removed altogether.
[hubby and I went to pay our respects this spring and leave a memorial and it was simply “vanished” and no one knew (or admitted to) where it went]

Ironically, there’s a wax museum with a scary, psychotic looking Brown figure and a terrified black man in the window.
I’ve often thought the black guy must be Shepherd, considering the sheer horror on his face.

Can’t imagine why.
[unless it’s because he “freed” 3 black folks from their mortal coils that day]

“The wrong execution of the right idea” doesn’t even begin to cover Brown’s “methods”.

Having said that, if you’re into the “paranormal”, Harper’s Ferry is veritable feast for the “sensitive”.

Beautiful place but stay out of the ruined church’s old alcove.

Somebody “persistent” hangs out there...:)


23 posted on 10/16/2010 6:54:51 AM PDT by Salamander (I can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Whole story below your post.

_Three_ of his beloved, suffering blacks were killed by him.


24 posted on 10/16/2010 6:56:27 AM PDT by Salamander (I can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: aruanan

Have you ever been there?

The place has an overwhelming aura of malevolance you can’t even imagine.

I go to take IR/UV photos and take EMF readings every so often.

Oddly enough, I *always* pick up “Ol’ 66” every time I go.

Stays near me the whole time I’m there.

Dark, creepy, “busy” but beautiful place.


25 posted on 10/16/2010 7:02:40 AM PDT by Salamander (I can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Very subtle, I like it.


26 posted on 10/16/2010 7:06:27 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
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To: Salamander
Thanks! :)
He also murdered people back in Kansas as well. I remember reading how he killed several men in front of the families in some sort of night raid....
27 posted on 10/16/2010 7:10:41 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's Easy! Use FR to Pimp Your Blog!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacking_of_Lawrence

Busy little buncha liberators.


28 posted on 10/16/2010 7:16:43 AM PDT by Salamander (I can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Beg pardon.

Wrong cite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Kansas


29 posted on 10/16/2010 7:20:00 AM PDT by Salamander (I can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: Vinnie
"a trip"

More than twenty years ago I took the same route you did only in the opposite direction. I started at Harper's Ferry and ended at Gettysburg. I wonder how many people do the same thing either going southward or northward?

30 posted on 10/16/2010 7:33:43 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long-term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Salamander
"During the night of May 24, the group, which included four of Brown's sons, led seven pro-slavery men from their homes and hacked them to death with broadswords"

Yep, that's it. Such a nice guy Brown was.... :)

31 posted on 10/16/2010 7:39:04 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's Easy! Use FR to Pimp Your Blog!)
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To: major-pelham

They were democrats, doing what democrats do. Don’t like the results of a lawful election? Ignore it and do whatever the hell you want. Consequences be damned.

Hardly conservatism.


32 posted on 10/16/2010 7:57:10 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now)
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To: mainepatsfan
As I recall William Joyce (AKA "Lord Haw Haw") was tried and hanged as a traitor by the British even though he was technically an American citizen.

To an Irish born father and mother so he could be considered a dual citizen. In any event his family returned to Ireland when he was very young. He grew up there, was educated there, and spent his entire adult life living and working in England before fleeing to Nazi Germany about a month before the war began. His connections to Britain were infinitely stronger than Brown's connections to Germany, and his execution for treason by the British makes perfect sense.

33 posted on 10/16/2010 8:05:43 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
They didn't call it 'Bleeding Kansas' for nothing, and Brown was just as violent and blood-thirsty as his pro-slavery counterparts were. He just had better press.

I'm sure that people have seen this famous painting of him:

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That's from a mural in the Kansas Capitol building.

34 posted on 10/16/2010 8:12:03 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: driftless2
More than twenty years ago I took the same route you did only in the opposite direction. I started at Harper's Ferry and ended at Gettysburg. I wonder how many people do the same thing either going southward or northward?

One of the problems for Harpers Ferry is it's not exactly an easy detour off of either I-70 or I-81.

35 posted on 10/16/2010 8:18:26 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Non-Sequitur

John Brown’s body lies a-mold’ring in the grave
John Brown’s body lies a-mold’ring in the grave
John Brown’s body lies a-mold’ring in the grave
His soul goes marching on

Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
His soul is marching on

He captured Harper’s Ferry with his nineteen men so true
He frightened old Virginia till she trembled
through and through
They hung him for a traitor, themselves the traitor crew
His soul is marching on

Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!

His soul is marching on
John Brown died that the slave might be free,
John Brown died that the slave might be free,
John Brown died that the slave might be free,
But his soul is marching on!

Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
His soul is marching on

The stars above in Heaven are looking kindly down
The stars above in Heaven are looking kindly down
The stars above in Heaven are looking kindly down
On the grave of old John Brown

Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory, Glory! Hallelujah!
His soul is marching on


36 posted on 10/16/2010 8:21:03 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Non-Sequitur

Well, this was just the first attempt at petty thievery in Harpers Ferry which was fully accomplished by Jackson in 1862.

Hey you think the drooling wannabes that inhabit this place will get angry since I just called Stonewall Jackson a petty thief? :-)


37 posted on 10/16/2010 8:21:22 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (There is no truth to the rumor that Ted Kennedy was buried at sea.....)
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To: Canedawg

That flag design is backwards.


38 posted on 10/16/2010 8:34:20 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

It’s probably distressed...;-)


39 posted on 10/16/2010 8:48:25 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now)
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To: rockrr

:-)


40 posted on 10/16/2010 8:55:06 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Salamander; aruanan; ctdonath2; Lonesome in Massachussets

Yeah, you’re probably right, there being four of you and all.


41 posted on 10/16/2010 10:01:03 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Walts Ice Pick

John Brown was a troubled and violent man. The Harpers Ferry raid probably did as much to set off the Civil War as Harriet B. Stowe’s book. I think the country would have been much, much better off in the long run without the Civil War. I am as opposed to slavery as anyone, as Abe Lincoln himself. I just think abolition was inevitable in time. The Civil War was a terrible price to pay. If the initiative to end slavery had come from the South, as I believe it would, there was a great deal of abolitionist sentiment in the South, then we might have been spared a couple of generations of racial strife.

Besides, the Civil War fostered an unhealthy self-righteous attitude in the North whose consequences we are living with unto the present day.


42 posted on 10/16/2010 10:53:54 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Great Season Tampa Bay Rays! Now, kindly send Carl Crawford to Boston.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I am as opposed to slavery as anyone, as Abe Lincoln himself

Lincoln's opposition was borne of expedience in time of war. There are ample historical quotes and cites to verify this as fact.

Barack Obama himself admits that The Emancipation Proclamation was a military document.

43 posted on 10/16/2010 11:01:16 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
Lincoln's opposition was borne of expedience in time of war.

That's an odd position for a Republican in 1860. The Republican Party was explicitly formed in 1854 to stamp out those twins vestigages of barbarism, bigamy and slavery.

Lincoln was personally very much opposed to slavery. I do not think there is one iota of reliable evidence to the contrary, Professor Obama notwithstanding. To think otherwise is to have missed the entire thrust of the Lincoln-Douglas debates.

He understood that as president he had very limit legal authority to free slaves and was quoted as saying that if he could perserve the Union and free no slave he would or if he could perserve the Union and free all slaves he would.

He waited until after the Union victory at Antietam to issue the Emancipation Proclamation, because before then it would have looked like desparation. Some historians believe that the Emancipation Proclamation was intended to undermine European, especially British, support for the Confederacy. Lincoln was certain that if the South was yoked to the North slavery would end sooner or later. He did not seek the Civil War, but he certainly exploited Northern victory to end slavery.

44 posted on 10/16/2010 11:44:29 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Great Season Tampa Bay Rays! Now, kindly send Carl Crawford to Boston.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Unfortunately no initiative was forthcoming from the “leadership” of the south, who instead deliberately set out on their disastrous plan to immortalize the “peculiar institution”.

I’m not sure what “unhealthy self-righteous attitude” exclusive to the north you are referring to - I think that there have been plenty of such attitudes all around.


45 posted on 10/16/2010 11:57:18 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now)
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To: rockrr

The antislavery elements in the South did not lead the Confederacy, oddly enough. John Brown helped stifle abolition sentiment in the South. He explicitly called for freed slaves to rise up and murder Southern whites, the way he had kill proslavery partisans in Kansas. When he took over Harpers Ferry, he had 1,500 spears with him that he intended to distributed to the slaves who arose to join him on which to impale their former masters.

When a man is riding a tiger, the way to get him to dismount is not to tell him he deserves to be eaten.


46 posted on 10/16/2010 12:12:52 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Great Season Tampa Bay Rays! Now, kindly send Carl Crawford to Boston.)
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To: mainepatsfan

John Brown...the original community organizer.


47 posted on 10/16/2010 1:32:00 PM PDT by matt1234 (The only crisis 0bama can manage is one he intentionally created.)
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To: Canedawg

RINO? LOL! It’s full fledged liberal and was a fan of O since 2006. NS’s past posts speak for themselves.


48 posted on 10/16/2010 1:32:33 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: Non-Sequitur; Candor7; manc; LucyT

You’re nothing but a self-loathing, South-hating bigot troll. The southern states were not in rebellion but in protest and were the authentic defenders of sum and substance of the constitution of 1789. It was the north that was in rebellion, seizing power and sweeping the constitution aside and distorting its’ meaning for the personal gain and power of the few.......and so it has been ever since.


49 posted on 10/16/2010 1:42:43 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Not to worry, Lee made sure he got what was coming to him.


50 posted on 10/16/2010 1:53:05 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Caractacus..or Bob if a boy & Boudicca if a girl....such hard decisions for dearie Snidely)
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