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Japan to Promote Ultra High-Def TV
tvpredictions.com ^ | October 28, 2010 | Philip Swann

Posted on 10/31/2010 5:41:05 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave

Japanese broadcaster NHK is planning public displays of its Ultra High-Definition TV system which supposedly offers a picture 16 times clearer than today's HDTVs.

That's according to an article by The Hollywood Reporter.

However, before you get too excited, the publication adds that it could be 2020 before you see UHDTV in anyone's living room.

Still, NHK says it will shoot some of the 2012 London Olympics in the format and then transmit the images to public displays in Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States.

The Hollywood Reporter writes that the ultra-clear picture delivers detail so precise that it almost appears three-dimensional. The format offers 8K resolution; 7,680 horizontal pixels x 4,320 vertical pixels, says the publication. Today's HDTVs deliver about 2,000 horizontal pixels.

One obstacle in UHDTV's way: To display the ultra-clear image, sets should be in the 80-90 inch range.


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: hdtv; uhdtv
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To: catfish1957
Back thirty years ago, I was an audiophile, and we were all in this pissing match on who had the best THD (Total Harmonic distortion). Finally realized that once you got to a certain level the ear couldn’t discern the difference. Looks like the same kind of deal.

It's like the old argument I heard back in the 1980's on stereo systems. If you buy a $100 ghetto blaster, it sounds OK, but a $250 stereo system would sound a lot better. If you shell out $500, that system will even sound better than the $250 one. When you get to $1000, it sounds so great at that point. Now if you take it to $5000 to even $10,000, you will still get improvements but they are not as great sounding over the $1000 system as the $250 is over the ghetto blaster, the $500 over the $250 system or even the $1000 over the $500. There is a point you get to where you ask, "is it worth the money, computing power, bandwidth, effort," to get from 99% to 99.9%?
51 posted on 10/31/2010 8:09:01 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

With that kind of resolution, why in the world couldn’t I use it as a computer monitor? I’m STILL waiting for integrated TV and internet.


52 posted on 10/31/2010 8:13:32 PM PDT by giotto
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To: MCH
A technology post on FR always brings out the Luddites in droves, especially if it’s about TV, computers or cell phones. This one does not disappoint.

I can't wait for the new "Megamind" movie to come out in VHS or the next Michael Buble album to come out in 8-Track or reel-to-reel. B-D
53 posted on 10/31/2010 8:14:37 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: freedumb2003

Take your time because some details do require “through” investigation! ;p


54 posted on 10/31/2010 8:15:39 PM PDT by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: greatdefender
Take your time because some details do require “through” investigation! ;p


55 posted on 10/31/2010 8:19:27 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-Reader: omnipotence at home, impotence abroad (Weekly Standard))
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To: Nowhere Man

As an example, DVDs were clearly a major step above VHS (except for not being rewritable), but Blu-Ray hasn’t done that well because it’s not as big an improvement.

DVDs will work on essentially any TV ever made (I saw a website where a guy was using one with a Dumont from 1948), plus any PC made in the last decade. Blu-Ray needs a 1080p HDTV to work properly (smaller sets are only 720p) and can’t be used in computers.


56 posted on 10/31/2010 8:27:38 PM PDT by Strk321
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I wouldn’t know. I’m not a drug user. But if that works for you, to each his own ...


57 posted on 10/31/2010 8:31:43 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

But will it finally cure banding, digital noise, “mosquitos” and other nasty digital artifacts? They make hi-def crappy compared to analog pictures.


58 posted on 10/31/2010 8:45:30 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Why don’t they just make a computer that will hook directly into your visual cortex and feed that data directly into your brain......

It would save money on actually making the screen elements, just beware computer viruses....


59 posted on 10/31/2010 8:56:34 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: freedumb2003

I was a skeptic until getting one. HDTV is fantastic for sporting events, and pretty much nothing else (maybe scenic travel and nature shows). Even so, I’m not sure I could discern the difference between regular hdtv and the ultra version though.


60 posted on 10/31/2010 9:07:30 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: DTogo

I’ve been in Japan 25 years and have never given them a yen . The bastards used to send a guy around the house to threaten us ( blacklisting , arrest , etc...) but both my wife and I told him to get lost . They still send a bill in the post which promtly goes into the waste basket .


61 posted on 10/31/2010 9:08:09 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: Trod Upon

Agreed. I think HD is very situational. It’s good for certain types of programming (like sports), but of relatively little benefit for things like the news. Would you want to see Keith Olbermann in high-def? I sure don’t (for that matter, I’d rather not see him in standard-def either).


62 posted on 10/31/2010 9:44:29 PM PDT by Strk321
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To: greatdefender

Erm, yeah...who is that, btw?


63 posted on 10/31/2010 10:03:26 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: icwhatudo

It may be that doing a decent home calibration of your TV would vastly increase your enjoyment. Sets tend to come from the factory with absurd settings, brightness and contrast set to unrealistic levels, etc., all so they look as bright as possible on display in stores. This could VERY easily be causing the harshness you seem to be describing. I’m a huge movie buff and find *good* HDTV to be a fantastic addition to cinematic beauty. And I can tell you that a decent home calibration of a set can make a stunning difference.

http://www.amazon.com/Spears-Munsil-High-Definition-Benchmark-Blu-ray/dp/B001UM29OC/ref=pd_cp_d_1

MM


64 posted on 10/31/2010 10:08:23 PM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: Strk321
As an example, DVDs were clearly a major step above VHS (except for not being rewritable), but Blu-Ray hasn’t done that well because it’s not as big an improvement.

DVDs will work on essentially any TV ever made (I saw a website where a guy was using one with a Dumont from 1948), plus any PC made in the last decade. Blu-Ray needs a 1080p HDTV to work properly (smaller sets are only 720p) and can’t be used in computers.


True, Blu-Ray drives need to be on computers to use them although IIRC, the Sony PS3 can pay Blu-Rays. I do have my Blu-Ray, got it last Christmas, hooked up to a 1982 Zenith. B-D I'm a member of the website, Video Karma, and there are many old TV enthusiasts that hook up DVD players to their old sets and run the old programs on them. One guy had a 1966 Zenith color TV running "Bonanza" using a DVD player.

I know Blu-Ray is hi-def, but I really don't care, as long as the movie or TV show has a good plot and story, it doesn't matter if I watch it in 1080p or the old 405 line British Marconi B&W system from 1936.
65 posted on 10/31/2010 10:24:59 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: freedumb2003
I have Slingboxes on both my DVRs and have watched TV from 30,000 feet (GOGO Inflight) as well as from countries all over the plane.

GoGo is too expensive and so is cable or satellite. I download my media then transfer TV shows and movies with either Tversity or USB drives.

66 posted on 10/31/2010 10:26:46 PM PDT by ledzep75
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To: Nowhere Man

Your Zenith would be a System 3, as that was the last new chassis they developed. Lucky Goldstar bought out Zenith after they went under in 1991 and continued making System 3s until about 1997 (with production moved to Mexico). They also sold some of their own sets with the Zenith name.

Anyway, this guy who had the Dumont (an RA-103 combo TV/FM radio) noted that the signal put out by DVD players is a bit of an overload on vacuum-tube electronics and produces an excessively bright picture with blooming.

You may also notice that today’s TV shows look terrible in black-and-white (poor contrast), as opposed to 1950s programming which was designed with that in mind and had high-contrast backgrounds.


67 posted on 10/31/2010 11:42:54 PM PDT by Strk321
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To: ledzep75

>>GoGo is too expensive and so is cable or satellite. I download my media then transfer TV shows and movies with either Tversity or USB drives.<<

I have ways of offsetting the costs... :)


68 posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-Reader: omnipotence at home, impotence abroad (Weekly Standard))
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To: freedumb2003

Your enjoyment factor is just fine if it works for you. I’m certainly not going to give you a hard time over it. Still, you are missing something. 1080 is considerably more than a few percentage points over 450.

You have chosen to be happy with the picture you have, I am glad.

Before I had an HDTV I bought the HDTV digital box and played the image on my 54” big screen (pre-HDTV) Zenith. The picture was amazing compared to the picture from the regular cable box.

So I know what you are talking about. The picture is still a vast improvement over the regular cable feed. Again, if you’re happy, I’m glad.


69 posted on 11/01/2010 12:25:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (BHO fans said I was a hater, dismissed my thoughts. Sure glad our side isn't like that.)
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To: DoughtyOne

>>Again, if you’re happy, I’m glad.<<

I guess it is like wine — if you enjoy it then the fancy-shmancy stuff isn’t important.

Maybe this year I’ll pick op one of them newfangled thin screen sets — but only after I see if it turns on quickly. Waiting forever for an appliance to “warm up” before it can be used irks me to no end...

:)


70 posted on 11/01/2010 12:34:04 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-Reader: omnipotence at home, impotence abroad (Weekly Standard))
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To: freedumb2003

I think you’ll really enjoy it if you pick up a good set.

The pictures are remarkable.

I’ll have to admit, I don’t like the wait either, but what the heck. It’s only about ten seconds and then you’re off...

Take care.


71 posted on 11/01/2010 1:05:51 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (BHO fans said I was a hater, dismissed my thoughts. Sure glad our side isn't like that.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I just go a Hatchi 51 HDTV rear projection. I do not have HD yet and the dark scenes are very dark even hitting my day/nite button but still too dark I have played with every button. Any help would be appreciated. did not mean to take away from the news but I figured some here could help.thanks


72 posted on 11/01/2010 7:39:08 AM PDT by GregB (I am a Foot Soldier in Sarah Palin's Army!)
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To: Strk321

The local Salvation Army has huge Sony Wega’s for $50.


73 posted on 11/01/2010 8:01:35 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: sushiman

When I lived there, I didn’t even have a TV for quite a while. The NHK guys would never believe me when I told them that.


74 posted on 11/01/2010 8:07:30 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: icwhatudo

Sounds like you have the 120hz motion thingy turned on. Movies look just like you described, like a soap opera or a documentary. Turn that motion thing OFF for movies so they look like movies again.

My cousin was showing off his motion technology to me watching the last Batman blu-ray, him and his father liked the effect, I hated it. It was akin to being in the room and watching them film it, the illusion was gone. Film is supposed to have grain, etc. the motion technology turns it into a PBS documentary.


75 posted on 11/01/2010 8:37:25 AM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Does this mean I will be able to see more detail on the “Ow, My Balls” channel?


76 posted on 11/01/2010 12:00:05 PM PDT by rlmorel (When Charity is mandatory, it becomes Servitude.)
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To: MississippiMan

FREE calibration procedure from PC World..

http://www.pcworld.com/article/148462/how_to_calibrate_your_hdtv.html


77 posted on 11/01/2010 3:12:30 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

To all, I will be posting my annual (2010) BLACK FRIDAY thread, BF is only 3 weeks away!!


78 posted on 11/02/2010 1:55:02 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: freedumb2003

If you or anyone else is looking, don’t rule out DLP, which is the modern version of rear-projection TV. You can get much larger sizes per dollar than the flat panels, the picture quality is superb, and especially if you’re a gamer or big sports fan, DLPs are not susceptible to burn-in at all.

MM


79 posted on 11/02/2010 9:42:34 AM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
FREE calibration procedure from PC World..

Actually, that's just an article about calibration, in which they review some calibration discs, etc. None of them, BTW, are as good as the one I linked in my earlier post.

MM (in TX)

80 posted on 11/02/2010 9:45:18 AM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: Strk321
> Wouldn’t work.

Not to mention the fact that, as I recall, a 36 inch CRT weighed in the neighborhood of 300 lbs.

81 posted on 11/02/2010 3:27:15 PM PDT by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: ADemocratNoMore

I did see a 36-inch JVC in a thrift store once. The thing was pretty enormous and I can’t imagine what a 40-inch set would look like.

In regards to CRT computer monitors, the biggest were 21 inches. Most of those were used by graphics professionals and rarely found in home use.


82 posted on 11/02/2010 3:38:26 PM PDT by Strk321
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