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Hunters fend off pack of aggressive wolves (MT)
Daily Inter Lake ^ | November 5, 2010 | Jim Mann

Posted on 11/05/2010 9:58:27 AM PDT by jazusamo

Two Flathead Valley men who were retrieving an elk in the South Fork Flathead drainage say they ended up fending off a pack of aggressive wolves Saturday.

They were forced to leave behind the elk, and they ended up killing one wolf, resulting in an investigation because wolves are still protected under the Endangered Species Act.

Mark Appleby, a 49-year-old hunter from Columbia Falls, shot the 6-point bull elk the day before, on Oct. 29, off the Deep Creek Road east of Hungry Horse Reservoir. He quartered the animal and hiked out with the head with the intent of returning to pack out the meat with horses the next day.

Whitefish resident Raymond Pitman, 27, volunteered to help. The two men held a press conference Thursday in Kalispell to tell their story, with legislators and several reporters attending.

They rode in about two about two hours from their truck and carefully approached the downed elk, knowing there could be bears or wolves in the area. There was only a coyote track, so they had lunch and started rigging the horses up to pack out the meat.

After they had been in the area for about an hour, the horses started to spook, their attention focused on a nearby hillside.

“The horses started freaking out,” said Pitman, who first saw a group of wolves approaching no more than 30 to 40 yards away. Appleby saw them soon after.

“There were seven or eight of them and they were running at us at full stride at first,” said Appleby, who dashed toward the wolves to get his rifle.

“I was about halfway there and I heard Raymond shoot with his .44 mag,” Appleby wrote in his statement to Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks. “When I reached my gun, I picked it up and the wolves stopped. I pointed my gun at them at about the same time they started to run at us again. At that time, I feared for my life and the horses and my friend and I started to shoot.”

Appleby fired several rounds at the wolves, which then retreated back up the timbered hillside.

“On this one, there was no time to think,” said Appleby, who is convinced that his friend’s pistol bought him the time to get to his rifle. “If he didn’t have that .44 on his side, we wouldn’t be talking to you.”

But the wolves did not fully retreat, Pitman said.

One started howling, and the others joined in. The horses continued to panic, and were literally leading Appleby and Pitman away from the area.

“It was a mess, an absolute mess,” said Appleby, adding that his stirred-up horse was beating him up as he tried to control it.

The wolves continued to push the two men and their horses, pursuing but staying mostly out of sight.

“I’m getting mad talking about it,” said Appleby, who was in disbelief that he was forced to abandon his meat. “I said I can’t believe we’re hauling the horses out empty.”

“The only reason they quit following us is that I was shooting at them,” Pitman said.

Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Warden Perry Brown returned to the site with Appleby and Pitman on Monday, and determined that the wolves had followed the group for about 200 yards away from the elk.

“Perry went back with them and he found a dead wolf and multiple tracks at the site that indicated wolves had been present,” said Jim Satterfield, Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks regional supervisor.

The elk meat had been fed on by wolves that are believed to be part of the Firefighter Pack, and at some point, a grizzly bear got in on the kill and buried the remains. Brown would not approach the dirt mound out of concern that the bear was still in the immediate area.

Satterfield said Brown’s report was turned over to a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service investigator.

“The ball is in their court right now,” he said. “It would be the same thing as if someone shot a grizzly bear.”

Appleby said he was interviewed by a federal official from Great Falls.

“He said if the game warden said it was self-defense ... it would probably be the end of it,” said Appleby, who is more concerned about what an inexperienced hunter or unarmed person could do in the same situation.

“It was a scary situation, that’s for sure,” Appleby said.

It was not the first time a hunter has been intimidated by wolves.

Last year, an animal warden with the Flathead County Sheriff’s Office shot an elk in the Darby area and had to hike around a ravine to reach his kill. By the time he got there, wolves were already on the elk, and he feared approaching them.

State Sen. Bruce Tutvedt, R-Kalispell, is concerned that there could be more incidents in the future.

“This is a horrible situation, but our hands are tied,” said Tutvedt, who attended the press conference that was organized by former Flathead County Commissioner Gary Hall, a friend of Appleby’s.

Tutvedt believes the best remedy is congressional action that would delist wolves in the Northern Rockies and restore the state of Montana’s authority to manage wolves with a legal hunt.

Fred Hodgeboom, president of Montanans for Multiple Use, also attended the gathering, announcing that the group has started a Web site (http://www.wolfclash.com) for the public to post reports about encounters with wolves.



TOPICS: Outdoors; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: montana; wolfattack; wolves

1 posted on 11/05/2010 9:58:31 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: george76; girlangler; Flycatcher; GladesGuru

Wolf Ping!

Some interesting comments by wolf lovers after the article.


2 posted on 11/05/2010 10:00:33 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Were they wearing Carhartt jackets?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC_QtRrHBqw

3 posted on 11/05/2010 10:01:23 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: jazusamo

Solution, keep dropping them until the pack is either obliterated or retreats...


4 posted on 11/05/2010 10:03:37 AM PDT by eyrish69 (Yellowstone Wolves - Smoke a Pack a Day!!!)
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To: jazusamo
Please bump the Freepathon and donate or become a monthly donor!

5 posted on 11/05/2010 10:04:23 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Wow - we were just there a few weeks ago.


6 posted on 11/05/2010 10:05:39 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Sounds like these guys are experienced hunters and were pretty spooked, don’t blame them.


7 posted on 11/05/2010 10:07:35 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
“This is a horrible situation, but our hands are tied,” said Tutvedt,

No they are not Rep. Tutvedt. The County Sheriff can order the Feds out of his County any time he choses. And you're free to introduce Legislation at the State level to allow the hunting of wolves.

Grow some balls and tell the Feds to go p*** up a rope. Let Obama order Federal troops into Montana to enforce his will. Then things will get really interesting.

8 posted on 11/05/2010 10:09:45 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: jazusamo

Oooops! I thought they were coyotes.


9 posted on 11/05/2010 10:13:24 AM PDT by pallis
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To: jazusamo

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2621815/posts

This recent thread demonstrates that Grizzlies are more challenging than wolves. (But who didn’t know that?)


10 posted on 11/05/2010 10:13:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: jazusamo

I’d love to have a taxidermied wolf on my wall.


11 posted on 11/05/2010 10:14:03 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: jazusamo

This is why I like to pack a pistol when hunting.

OTOH, if the wolves are already on the elk by the time you get back, too bad. Finders keepers.


12 posted on 11/05/2010 10:14:24 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: jazusamo

Leaving a big pile of fresh meat overnight two hours from the road in the wilderness - I’m surprised any was left by the time he returned other than a red stain. He rang the dinner bell and left - when with better planning, the meat could have been in his truck - and I’m no wolf lover.


13 posted on 11/05/2010 10:17:09 AM PDT by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, get a pit bull.)
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To: Lurker

There’s a lot to be said for that. The Governor of Idaho just informed the feds in the last few weeks they were no longer going to enforce the federal protection of wolves. Too bad he didn’t go a little further and request the ID legislature to set a season for a wolf hunt.


14 posted on 11/05/2010 10:18:05 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
“I’m getting mad talking about it,” said Appleby, who was in disbelief that he was forced to abandon his meat. “I said I can’t believe we’re hauling the horses out empty.”

He's just pissed off that he wasn't prepared for the competition.

15 posted on 11/05/2010 10:19:42 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: jazusamo

Getting the federales out of the picture is almost always a good idea.


16 posted on 11/05/2010 10:20:40 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: dainbramaged

That’s not an uncommon thing in elk hunting, it’s a common practice.


17 posted on 11/05/2010 10:21:19 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

My aunt’s cousin was the first person prosecuted, and then jailed, for killing a wolf on his ranch outside of Red Lodge, MT, after the re-introduction of wolves to Montana. They were killing his sheep, and he ended up in federal prison for protecting his livelihood.


18 posted on 11/05/2010 10:21:30 AM PDT by Carling (Remember November)
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To: Lurker

Wonder what caliber rifle the guy had. Any guesses? My choice would be a 300 win mag.


19 posted on 11/05/2010 10:23:18 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: Carling

It makes zero sense to me to disallow people to kill large predators that are preying on their livestock. I say this as someone who loves nature and animals, and an avid nature photographer.


20 posted on 11/05/2010 10:25:10 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: jazusamo

The lesson learned here is to always be armed in bear/wolf country. A .44 magnum, 454 Casull or S&W500 would do the trick.


21 posted on 11/05/2010 10:26:24 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: jazusamo

This was a dreadful situation, but my question is, why did the hunters submit a report? They had to know they’d get in trouble for defending their lives. That’s not allowed! If it had been me—which God forbid!—I’d have adopted the “shoot, shovel, and shut up” approach.


22 posted on 11/05/2010 10:28:31 AM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: SVTCobra03

The other story cut your loses and keep them to yourself.


23 posted on 11/05/2010 10:31:17 AM PDT by Broker (No RETREAT)
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To: jazusamo
Tutvedt believes the best remedy is congressional action that would delist wolves in the Northern Rockies and restore the state of Montana’s authority to manage wolves with a legal hunt.

The only right thing would be for any of the congressional delegation who voted to protect the wolves to be required to hike thru wolf territory once a year wearing a pork chop vest.

"Oh look congressman, he's smiling at you!"

24 posted on 11/05/2010 10:36:31 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: ottbmare
why did the hunters submit a report?

Because someone always opens his big mouth. Better to get it out in the open than have your buddy telling the story around and then the a**hole game wardens show up to arrest you for not reporting it.

25 posted on 11/05/2010 10:37:36 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: ottbmare

Actually it is legal to kill a wolf or grizzly in self defense. A MT F&W warden went back on Monday and verified the scene and wolf tracks that followed them for 200 yards when they left. This is cut and dried self defense IMO, it sounds like the feds have to go through their bureaucratic abc’s to verify it was self defense.

The fed fine is huge plus jail time for illegally killing a wolf. Even though it was out in the boonies you can never be sure who’s around. I believe he did the right thing in reporting it.


26 posted on 11/05/2010 10:38:52 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: from occupied ga

Thanks, you’re right.


27 posted on 11/05/2010 10:41:36 AM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: 6SJ7

Agreed, and throw in a few enviro nazis of the Defenders of Wildlife type to go with them.


28 posted on 11/05/2010 10:41:55 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
Wow - we were just there a few weeks ago.

I grew up in Columbia Falls. Beautiful country.

Montana had a hunting season for wolves slated for this year (186 tags), but was overturned by a judge and is now tied up in litigation. Wolves are becoming a huge problem here in Montana (for hunters, farmers and ranchers). Not to mention the safety of those just wanting to enjoy the outdoors.

29 posted on 11/05/2010 10:43:42 AM PDT by mtg
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To: Lurker
Lurker:

...you are one of the few people that I have run across lately who recognizes the power that county sheriffs have. Sheriffs are the highest directly elected law enforcement officers that exist. Unfortunately, most county sheriffs do not seem to recognize the raw power that they possess. Most of them cave in and surrender to the feds or even state police when they move into their counties because the sheriffs will not exercise their authority.

County sheriffs could change our Country if they would only grow a pair....

30 posted on 11/05/2010 10:45:01 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: ottbmare

Wouldn’t they do the same balistic forensics as they would with a homicide?


31 posted on 11/05/2010 10:45:40 AM PDT by SMARTY ("..discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you")
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To: Carling

I think his case was where the term “Shoot, Shovel, Shut-up” came from


32 posted on 11/05/2010 10:47:30 AM PDT by Mr. K (All our candidates suck! The media SAYS SO!!)
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To: B.O. Plenty

Look at Sherrif Joe Arpaio

you are 100% correct- he is running the show there, and they know they can’t stop him


33 posted on 11/05/2010 10:49:00 AM PDT by Mr. K (All our candidates suck! The media SAYS SO!!)
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To: B.O. Plenty
Most of them cave in and surrender to the feds or even state police when they move into their counties because the sheriffs will not exercise their authority.

And that's a real shame.

34 posted on 11/05/2010 10:53:49 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: mtg
I don't think I've ever seen more beauty concentrated in one spot than the GNP area.

We stayed near Columbia Falls, on Spoon Lake. Here are some of our shots:

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35 posted on 11/05/2010 11:17:00 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: ottbmare
I’d have adopted the “shoot, shovel, and shut up” approach.

I reckon a griz would eat wolf, too, same as elk...just saying, nature has a way of cleaning things up.

36 posted on 11/05/2010 11:22:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: mtg

I have two wolf licenses that were with my father-in-laws gun collection. Both are nation wide US, with one 1944-1945 female, and the other is 1945-1946 for a male. I guess you have to wait for them to pee before you shoot.


37 posted on 11/05/2010 11:23:12 AM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea.")
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Beautiful pics, TG!


38 posted on 11/05/2010 11:37:42 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.


39 posted on 11/05/2010 12:55:09 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: dainbramaged

Have you ever tried to field dress and cut up an animal as large as an elk?

Note that they were using horses, not a pick-up.


40 posted on 11/05/2010 12:57:09 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru

I have killed four elk and two moose in my 58 years on this planet and know the fun is over after you pull the trigger. The article states the original hunter was on foot when he bagged the critter, quartered it and hiked out with the head, planning to get help and returned on horseback the next day to retrieve the meat and that’s when the wolves showed up. I’m not criticizing these guys except maybe for not shooting enough members of the wolf pack - it’s just a long time to leave bloody food lying around with lots of carnivores trying to fatten themselves for winter.


41 posted on 11/05/2010 1:28:08 PM PDT by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, get a pit bull.)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

Beautiful pix, thanks for posting. I make a yearly pilgrimage to GNP. Two Medicine area was the latest. Finally got to Grinnell glacier, too. Got outhiked by a lady ranger who was at least 158 years old. Dang it.


42 posted on 11/05/2010 1:33:04 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: jazusamo
“Some interesting comments by wolf lovers after the article.”

Some ignorant comments by wolf lovers. I like that the wolf huggers were refudiated by the hunting community with common sense reality.

Stories like this are going to be very common in years to come.

43 posted on 11/05/2010 3:01:02 PM PDT by mickey finn
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To: mickey finn

I agree...The people in the hunting community in many states are getting really fed up with the animal rights/enviro nazi crowd and it’s good to see them responding.

There will be more and more incidents due to the protection of predators such as wolves, grizzlies and cougars in some states. More people, more predators and the animals becoming accustomed to man will ensure it.


44 posted on 11/05/2010 3:28:50 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Thanks :-)


45 posted on 11/05/2010 5:42:49 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: Billthedrill
Those lady rangers are tough :-)

This was our first trip there, hope to go there again, soon.

46 posted on 11/05/2010 5:44:30 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: jazusamo
Great thread.

And I agree with the simple solution: It's time for wolf tags to be issued in Montana. And pronto.

Thanks for the ping!

47 posted on 11/06/2010 7:39:29 AM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Lurker

You are right. The county sheriff is one of the most powerful positions in the US.


48 posted on 11/07/2010 9:49:42 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: mickey finn
I like that the wolf huggers were refudiated by the hunting community with common sense reality.

Don't think even for an instant that the "wolf huggers" considered the logical and factual statements of the hunters. Blind nature worship, like gun control is a religion - logic and reason don't enter into it, and people who shoot the wonderful wolves are blasphemers not rational people protecting themselves from wild animals - at least the the wolf lovers' minds.

49 posted on 11/08/2010 5:26:33 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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