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So what water filters are best (VANITY - attention preppers)
Vanity | 11/10/2010 | surroundedbyblue

Posted on 11/10/2010 4:53:32 AM PST by surroundedbyblue

Ok so I am new to all of this stuff. I need some advice about storing food & water from all of you who are much more informed than me. Please & thank you!!!


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1 posted on 11/10/2010 4:53:37 AM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: surroundedbyblue

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2 posted on 11/10/2010 4:59:37 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Depends on whether you want a backpack portable or non-portable. Berky’s are about the best you can get for non-portable http://www.berkeywater.com/start.main.html


3 posted on 11/10/2010 5:01:16 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Big Berkey


4 posted on 11/10/2010 5:02:33 AM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I’d like to know as well. We’re storing water from our tap in 2 liter pop bottles - I’d like to know how long that water would be safe to drink.

I’m not much into buying jugs of water that have probably come from a tap somewhere else - and then having to lug those home.


5 posted on 11/10/2010 5:03:12 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: surroundedbyblue

We have used a British Berkefeld (also known as “Berkey”) filter for many years. These use four ceramic filter elements which last a long time and work very well. Our unit has a 2-gallon capacity. What sold us on the Berkey is the fact that these filters have been used by many years by aid organizations for water filtering in third-world countries—a proven design that is effective, practical and reliable.


6 posted on 11/10/2010 5:03:25 AM PST by NetLiberty
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To: surroundedbyblue

advice about storing food & water

If you don’t, and come upon hard times, what then?

Cistern, drums under gutters, Water heater, bath tub, toilet tank, jugs of all kinds, and Clorox as a purifier. Filters cost money and aren’t necessarily needed in good times, when prepared folks store what is needed for the bad times.


7 posted on 11/10/2010 5:05:16 AM PST by wita
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To: surroundedbyblue

Steripens (a water purifier, not filter) are great very portable but limited in capacity.

Katadyns are very good and portable but expensive and also limited in capacity.

Bleach has a limited shelf life. Pool shock (Calcium hypochlorite) has a long shelf life and can be used to make a solution for water purification.


8 posted on 11/10/2010 5:05:19 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Berkey.
9 posted on 11/10/2010 5:06:56 AM PST by ladyvet (I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: wita

“Clorox as a purifier.”

Clorox has a limited shelf life as it starts to degrade after about 6 months.


10 posted on 11/10/2010 5:07:53 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I have a countertop distiller and a reverse osmosis system.


11 posted on 11/10/2010 5:12:56 AM PST by dforest
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To: NetLiberty

“We have used a British Berkefeld (also known as “Berkey”) filter for many years. These use four ceramic filter elements which last a long time and work very well.”

If you ran it full out 8 hours a day producing clean water, what is a “long time?”


12 posted on 11/10/2010 5:19:54 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: surroundedbyblue

Think 5 gallon jugs unless you have a water source that does not depend on electricity. For very long term look at sand filters; they have and are being used in places without electricity for centuries.

What are you prepping for? Read “How Long Can You Tread Water”. It is a well documented analysis of how really bad things could get in a hurry.

Good luck.

Tom S.


13 posted on 11/10/2010 5:20:25 AM PST by Any Fate But Submission
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To: surroundedbyblue; alicewonders

http://www.grandpappy.info/honehour.htm

See links at top of page.


14 posted on 11/10/2010 5:20:30 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: alicewonders

Very very low tech.

Tanzanian villagers have begun using an energy-saving method to sterilise their drinking water - leaving the water under the sun.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4786216.stm


15 posted on 11/10/2010 5:21:04 AM PST by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: indylindy

I would store Calcium hypochlorite if I were you it’s easy to transport as a bag will do about 10,000 gallons, it’s cheap, and if stored right last for ever.

Go here: http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/better-than-bleach-use-calcium-hypochlorite-to-disinfect-water/

It will show you how to use it.


16 posted on 11/10/2010 5:22:58 AM PST by jimpick
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To: surroundedbyblue

For back packing I use a Katadyn Pocket, my buddy uses a MSR Sweetwater. I’d like to get a Big Berky for home. And I always have a bottle Iodine out on the trail.


17 posted on 11/10/2010 5:25:56 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: alicewonders

For home stuff, Big Berky.


18 posted on 11/10/2010 5:26:52 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

We have a Katadyn for camping, and the water is amazing - it is the only water that I’ve ever tasted that has no taste at all. It is not cheap though.

To extend the life of your filter, I have heard you can use Alum to make the heavy deposits in the water sink to the bottom of a bucket/barrel first, and then adding only the water on top to the filter.

Another cheaper alternative is a homemade filter made with 1/3 sand, 1/3 pebbles, 1/3 gravel. This would still need boiling.

In a pinch, what we do is use a clean t-shirt to filter out the icky stuff, and just boil the water for 10 minutes.

If you google homemade water distillers, or the Watercone, you’ll get some interesting ideas too.


19 posted on 11/10/2010 5:28:41 AM PST by justsaynomore
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To: driftdiver

Your source please.

I have two references one from American Red Cross, the other from Clorox. Neither one talks about shelf life.


20 posted on 11/10/2010 5:32:23 AM PST by wita
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To: surroundedbyblue

We’ve used Amway’s Espring for years, it’s fantastic. For emergencies we store in plastic jugs with a few drops of bleach. Then we have a Britta with extra filters for when it really gets bad.


21 posted on 11/10/2010 5:32:30 AM PST by MomwithHope (Wake up America we are at war with militant Islam and progressives - 2 fronts.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I’ve been a member of a preparedness forum since before Y2K. The preferred filter is the Berky. It’s considered the best.


22 posted on 11/10/2010 5:43:59 AM PST by pops88
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To: indylindy
I have a countertop distiller and a reverse osmosis system.

I have a countertop distiller too - but not for water - there are other essentials :-)

23 posted on 11/10/2010 5:44:37 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: surroundedbyblue

Thanks everyone. I’m just trying to put things back for my toddler & myself (I’m a single mom) since I really believe hard times are ahead, esp since we have not monetized our debt. Thanks, Soros, you dirty bastard.


24 posted on 11/10/2010 5:57:15 AM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: surroundedbyblue

Berkey. Buy extra filters and spigot to have on hand.


25 posted on 11/10/2010 5:59:29 AM PST by FReepaholic (Yoiks...and away!!)
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To: wolfcreek; listenhillary; mountn man

Thank you!


26 posted on 11/10/2010 6:09:46 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: surroundedbyblue

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2624000/posts

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27 posted on 11/10/2010 6:10:51 AM PST by beefree
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To: wita

survivaltopics.com click on the water link and read the articles.


28 posted on 11/10/2010 6:20:18 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: wita
Your source please.

I have two references one from American Red Cross, the other from Clorox. Neither one talks about shelf life.

From Clorox itself:

What is the shelf life of Clorox® Regular-Bleach?

Clorox® Regular-Bleach should be replaced every year and stored as directed for optimum performance.


29 posted on 11/10/2010 6:20:51 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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30 posted on 11/10/2010 6:25:23 AM PST by DelaWhere (Better to be prepared one year early than one day late!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

You can always fall back on distilling the water - if you have a mineral supplement to replace any good minerals lost.

Big cooking pot - an angel food cake pan (with a hole in the middle) and fashion a domed lid and there you have it.


31 posted on 11/10/2010 6:30:33 AM PST by 30Moves
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To: driftdiver

Looking at their web page, it appears many of their products, like the Big Berkey, are not available in California. Any idea why these products are not allowed in this miserable state?


32 posted on 11/10/2010 6:30:39 AM PST by Lurkus Maximus
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To: ChocChipCookie

Ping.


33 posted on 11/10/2010 6:32:40 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: jimpick

If you have a farm supply store near, check out a gallon of gentle Iodine.

Antiseptic solution. Won’t degrade.
Two or three drops per quart, then let it sit for two hours or so and you are good to go.


34 posted on 11/10/2010 6:38:35 AM PST by djf (The word "concise" is too big!)
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To: driftdiver

Thanks.

Good site.


35 posted on 11/10/2010 6:39:38 AM PST by wita
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To: driftdiver

We use a Doulton stand-alone, two-element, gravity unit with ceramic filters. Doultons were invented during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I during a cholera epidemic. You can pour just about any nasty water through it, and it comes out drinkable. The activated charcoal supposedly lasts 6 months, but the filters themselves are scrubbable and almost infinitely reusable. In six or seven years, we have only changed filters once, and I can’t tell any difference in water quality or flavor since new. I think we paid about $200 or a little less.


36 posted on 11/10/2010 7:02:26 AM PST by Tard-cat
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To: surroundedbyblue

Be sure you add a couple of small bottles of vinegar to your survival list, it treats many things like scraps, bruises. Google for other uses. It was used as an antiseptic before we had them. Don’t neglect things like asprin or tylenol or vit C. Canned goods if you have the space and ROTATE, use the oldest first. If you have a hard time reading the expiration date, write it in sharpie on the can lid. Dried beans another good source of food. Maybe boring, but fills the belly when hunger comes calling.

Stores like Krogers are running their Thanksgiving specials over the next 2 weeks...you can pick up canned fruit or tomatoes for as little as 49 cents a can, about a year shelf life. Canned milk like Carnation can be added to your storage list. I cook with it a lot. Powdered milk is another item, just don’t go over board, doesn’t taste very good to drink, but can be used in cooking prep where the flavor is masked by the food taste...or chocolate syrup if you are drinking it. LOL.

Learn to can food. Don’t forget things like TP, laundry/bar soap..price is climbing fast. You can store in big plastic bins if you don’t have shelf space...DATE food stuffs. Don’t mix food stuff with cleaning supplies when storing. Dry cool place for storage.


37 posted on 11/10/2010 7:13:31 AM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, retired Military, disabled & Seniors)
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To: surroundedbyblue

We went with the Berkey (Imperial model I believe). It came with two of the black filter elements and I added another two to it (can have a max of 6 filter elements). I think each filter element is good for 3000 gallons of water, so with 4 elements I can process 12,000 gallons before the filters need to be replaced. In one of the articles I read on the system, you can put food coloring in the top chamber (where the filters are) and the water will come out clear in the bottom - it’s supposed to be *that* good! We also keep bleach on hand just in case - 8 drops per gallon of water.


38 posted on 11/10/2010 7:18:24 AM PST by Cacique500
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To: Big Giant Head

Back to the water question...


39 posted on 11/10/2010 7:27:19 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (Proud Clinton-hater since 1998.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Interesting you asked this. I had asked a similar question before in another thread. The difference was I wanted to know about putting hydrogen in the water after basic purification.

In the end, a cheap Brita water filter ($13) and a hydrogen stick ($70) gave me basic water purification and healthy water to drink. I just saw a portable Culligan pitcher similar to the Brita pitcher for $10 at Walgreens. Most of the filters you buy are carbon filters. You can add a few drops of Iodine if you want to kill bacteria.

Here is a link to the hydrogen stick:
http://www.hydrogenfriends.com/friends/id/3691_1_bid_5
(It lasts a year)


40 posted on 11/10/2010 7:31:15 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Cacique500

Hi,

I checked out the Berkey site and the order page says that the system is not available in California. Do you know why?


41 posted on 11/10/2010 7:34:18 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: surroundedbyblue

For portable, I have a Jungle Bucket. You can find it on the internet.


42 posted on 11/10/2010 7:37:31 AM PST by houeto ("You know, I actually believe my own bullsh_t," --- BHO)
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To: surroundedbyblue

ping water storage


43 posted on 11/10/2010 7:38:14 AM PST by TNoldman (Call 1911 not 911!)
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To: driftdiver

Have you heard of the WAPI? It’s very low-tech, costs about $9 or so at www.sunoven.com. It’s a water pasteurization indicator. It won’t filter your water but will let you know when water (and milk) have reached the temperature for pasteurization.

Berkeys can filter thousands of gallons of water before the filter needs to be replaced. There are also directions on the internet for making your own ceramic filter.


44 posted on 11/10/2010 7:40:41 AM PST by ChocChipCookie (TheSurvivalMom.com)
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To: surroundedbyblue

My bit of advice is don’t buy stuff you wouldn’t eat normally. If you hate spam now, you will still hate it when times are bad. If you’ve never been a fan of leather breeches beans, and Textured Vegetable Protein, you won’t be just because TSHTF.

Also, despite it’s shorter shelf life than nonfat dry milk, I like Nido Powdered Whole Milk from Nestle. Also, for baking, SACO powdered buttermilk.

Also, I noticed on a link from ferfal’s blogspot, the price of British Berkfield water filters is a lot less than they used to be. If you buy a water filter, buy coffee filters as a prefilter for any icky stuff that would clog up your berkey filter, and shorten it’s life.

Get a firearm, and become proficient with it.


45 posted on 11/10/2010 7:54:28 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: Marie Antoinette

I’m really not stalking you, but I have been on this thread also. ;)

Similar thinking I suppose.


46 posted on 11/10/2010 7:54:35 AM PST by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: Marie Antoinette

Mentioned up thread I think

http://doultonusa.com/HTML%20pages/water_filters_for_militaries.htm
CeraGrav model LP5 can produce over 50 gallons per day (GPD) of safe delicious drinking water.

For microbiologically effectiveness the ceramic shell is self-sterilized (no need for boiling) and **can be cleaned up to 60 times before is worn off.**


47 posted on 11/10/2010 8:01:02 AM PST by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: listenhillary

Yep, I think we’re all concerned about the same issues. Have you been reading the food price inflation threads, too? ;)


48 posted on 11/10/2010 8:05:28 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (Proud Clinton-hater since 1998.)
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To: Marie Antoinette

I have. Laurie was going to do some Sams club stocking up this week.


49 posted on 11/10/2010 8:16:23 AM PST by listenhillary (A very simple fix to our dilemma - We need to reward the makers instead of the takers)
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To: ModelBreaker
If you ran it full out 8 hours a day producing clean water, what is a “long time?”

Before we switched over to distilling our own water, we used it every day for about 8 years. When we put it in storage, the filters were/are still quite usable and ready for backup filtration when needed (for example, in a power failure). I think the filters themselves are rated to last for many thousands of gallons.

50 posted on 11/10/2010 9:14:07 AM PST by NetLiberty
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