Skip to comments.Karl Rove, The Master
Posted on 11/10/2010 11:42:31 PM PST by babubabu
Rove is right. He predicted how O'Donnell would flop and hinted that it could cost the GPO additional senate seats.... In my personal opinion, he was thinking about Alaska, Nevada, Colorado, Washington, etc. All of these should have been captured by the tea party. Personally, I think O'Donnell cost real conservatives senate seats. Say what you will... but Rove was right. Don't hate the messenger.
Nothing more need be said... You’re on your own.
What is your point RC? A narrow Republican majority in the Senate would’ve given effective control to RINOs. They could’ve held any legislation hostage until conservatives gave them what they wanted. Is this what you wanted?
I see in your future a good deal of hatred from the Rabid Rove Raptors
It would have given control to Republicans period. Plus, Reps being in charge would have given incentive to the more moderate Dems and Independents to come our way if not outright change parties.
Is that you Karl?
No, as I have said, I’m not at all happy with Rove’s handling of the Delaware Senate race even though I agreed with his prediction about the outcome of that race.
Not about to try to change your mind - you’re of the GOP mindset, all about winning, nothing about policy.
That analysis is incorrect sir. I’ve seen the Republicans go through this time after time after time. A narrow Republican majority gives all the power to RINOs that will be able to hold bills hostage until conservatives cave into them. At least I know Democrats are my enemies. I’d rather have that than a RINO that pretends to be my friend. In addition having a Democrat instead of a squishy Republican allows conservatives to draw sharp contrasts between philosophies which can only help in the long run.
BTW Castle isn’t even a 50%er!!!!!
Not only did Tokyo Rove predict it he helped make it happen. Along with Charles Krauthammer he was more effective at deep sixing O’Donnell than the Democratic machine. I am so over RHINO Rove.
Karl Rove did not predict anything. He worked for the defeat of Tea Party candidates. He is probably behind the RINO in NV who endorsed Dirty Harry.
Personally,and i’m sure many others feel the same way,i don’t care that we lost the seat. The Republican insiders have to know we get a seat at the table as well or they get nothing. This election,the Tea Party movement was about far more than winning races,it was about having people more ideologically aligned with conservatives. We may be closer in spirit to the Republican Party but they are not even close to perfect,only a little more so after the last election.
There’s no question O’Donnell was not a great candidate for her state. There’s no question Millers campaign was not well run. Yes Angle shot herself in the foot a few times at the start of her campaign. The point is,while we would have loved to have gotten those candidates elected,we would rather lose a few races than let the Republican Party continue to shove their idea of what a candidate should be down our throats.
I’ll give you that Rove was correct from his point of view but as an insider himself what he also saw was power slipping from the party bosses even as they had a great election. That’s what the election was about. That’s what those candidates were about.
****We cannot hope to change policy without winning elections.****
We have gained a tremendous amount of support for conservatism because Obama is in office. Right now we stand a good chance of blocking some stuff that would be very damaging for our country.
Eventually it will become enough of a change to get real conservatives in positions to change policy. All because McCain did not win the election. Winning isn’t everything.
Rove was probably the idiot who told Bush II not to do anything about the invasion of Illegals from Mexico.
If anyone ever was a RINO Troll, its this guy.
Rove was instrumental in perpetuating the career of Arlen Spector in PA. Amazingly, Rick Santorum joined in the Spectorfest to deprive Toomey of a Senate seat back in 04. Rove calls himself a conservative but he is not a principled conservative in any sense. Put an R beside your name and go along with his advice and anything else doesnt matter. Look at Lincoln Chaffee for one example. Rove needs to go away.
This is a classic GOP Establishment ‘consultant’ poster: signs up the day of the 2008 election, starts a few inocuous threads over a few months and then comes out with exactly two positions: 1) bashing Palin and 2) defending Rove re: COD.
I think that’s all we need to know.
Gandhi was a socialist jerkass and you are a nincompoop. I don’t understand your motivation in posting this tripe.
Buck and Angle’s issues actually predated O’Donnell winning the GOP primary in Delaware. Angle in particular was a bad choice in the primary.
BTW what did you think when your hero endorsed Dede Scuzzobama for Congress in NY?
Maybe, maybe not. There was clearly polling indicating Castle couldn’t win either.
However, his continued rant over O’Donnel is not something to simply let pass. He clearly worked to prove he would be right. He put his interests above all else (except maybe RINOism).
What was demonstrated is that the time for simply accepting RINOs (ala McCain) as a candidate is OVER. No more choosing a slower conversion to socialism.
I would rather have another soldier in the opposing army than a Benedict Arnold in my midst.
what is your point in posting this?
Rove is a traitor, and an a$$.
Go troll for Mitt Romney or something.
So you want to concede that the Brown Shirt Media can cripple a candidate if they are conservative? Not me. Truth is: Reps would have taken ANOTHER beating if the Tea Party hadn’t saved their butt. For the damn RINOs to bitch about Castle and Murkowski at this juncture just makes me want more RINO blood.
Personally, I think that old line GOP resistance to the Tea Party, resistance that ranged from failure to make common cause to failure to provide funding, to ridicule, to campaigning outright for the defeat of a Tea Party candidate who won the GOP primary.
Here in my corner New York State there are several examples of GOP establishment doing “all of the above” in our local State Senate and Assembly races, to some extent in the Governor's race, and I suspect in other political contests around the state. I'm proud to say that Greg Ball and Steve Katz won their respective contests for State Senator and Assemblyman despite active interference by the state GOP establishment.
They are backstabbing bastards who attempted to steal money
from the Tea Party for the saboteur Mitt Romney.
Go Mitt. Go Mitt. Go Mitt.
I predict that Rove will soon sign on with Romney!
Not too soon.
Romney enjoys plausible deniability since his
assassins against Gov. Palin and her children
are paid and rewarded behind the scenes.
If Romney is the HERPES of the GOP, Rove is now
the HIV of the GOP. They must be removed like
an abcess or cancer that they truly are.
We have to remember that politics IS Local, even though the Party Aparatus' spans the Nation. It is critical, me thinks, that we have room to allow an occasional RINO since they are always from a LIB State into the Republican Party as the OCCASIONAL Republican Vote at roll call is better than nothing at all; the States from which a RINO comes would have been better served to elect a Democrat - not saying but implying that something WE Conservatives should accept the Best Candidate offered in each LOCAL election.
What organization is represented by that man in the yellow uniform on your profile page?
Rove has made millions from the GOP. The very least he can do is when he does not like a candidate who wins a primary is STFU while he awaits orders.
If you were represented by an ad agency who bad-mouthed your company's products, what would you do?
ODonnell cost us seats
Failure to take the Senate, when it was quite possible, has to be the responsibility of the NRCC, The RNC, and Karl Rove. Karl is a hired hand. Not the foreman. Leaders do not take orders from the help. Especially with the track record this pompous Rove anus has.
Theres a defacto 3rd party now. We can either work with or against the pubbies. One thing we won’t tolerate is their boot on our neck.
Askin’ for the ZOT?
The TEA Party has done so much good for this nation that I’m willing to forgive it for occasional mistakes. One of their biggest mistakes was getting involved in the Delaware Senate and House primaries.
Yes, he "predicted" she'd lose. Then he went out of his way to make sure she did. The very definition of a "self fulfilling prophecy."
It shows forsight and knowledge to predict such a thing then sit back, watch, and keep your big fat pontificating mouth shut.
It's another thing entirely to predict....then use whatever power and "favors" you have left to ensure the outcome matches your prediction.
Mr. Rove fancies himself the kingmaker. As long as we give him such power, he'll use it. May I suggest we all ban the mention of his name or any reference to him on this site? From here on in, FR is "Roveless".
What Rove delivered from the get-go on Christine O’Donnell was no less than a verbal ASSAULT - not a MESSAGE.
To clarify; Rove was not a MESSENGER in this case. - He evidently didn’t like it that his RINO buddy lost the primary, so he played like Lisa Murkowski and went on attack. -
Funny. Democrats NEVER use this seemingly nice rationale about Republicans when it comes to “reaching across the aisle”. They ALWAYS hold the line (unless it’s in public relations game playing votes). You don’t have to be snotty to be firm about your convictions; but snotty is par for the course with Democrats.
he didnt lose the election, if i recall.
Rove cost Odonnell the election in Delaware. He didn’t help Angle either.
Rove is an old boy GOP, RINO, party hack that needs to sit down and shut up, go to the corner, shut his face, put a sock in it, get called out for the traitorous POS that he is.
Rove’s attacks on O’Donnell helped make this a self-fulfilling prophecy.Were it not for him, she would not have had to defuse the witch question. If Rove were genuinely interested in helping the GOP, he would have put his prediction in an envelope, mailed it to himself, and if the results were similar, opened it the day after the election and crow his head off.
By the way, if O’Donnell was such a non-starter, why did the Dems spend so much money there, and why did Obama and Biden make repeated visits?
Fiorina, Tancredo and McMahon also lost by large margins. Was that O’Donnell’s fault?
Anyway, not having Castle is still a net gain. We weren’t getting the senate anyway. Rove did a great job of getting the campaign off message.
Are you on drugs?
Rove HATES conservatives.
It doesn’t matter who else he would beat in the general election if he can’t even make it out of the primary. Polls or no polls. If his own people don’t want him, he should join the other party.
You actually think an ad for O’Donnell changed people’s minds about votes for Miller?
YES. IMHO it made a joke of the tea party.
Wiki entry on the guy, whatever it means.
Newt Gingrich is the joke.
I think you’re making a mountain of a couple of pebbles.
Charles Krauthammer sometimes says very wise things and I think I like him, except then the next day or so he'll be very negative and comes across as an elitist. He made a disparaging remark about Senator Jim DeMint the other day, basically poo-pooing DeMint's outspokenness of late. That clarified for me where Krauthammer is coming from: he's consistently anti-Tea Party.
Tinypic doesn’t seem to accept uploads anymore, either. Maybe I’ll shrink it down and turn it into a table...
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