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Posted on 11/30/2010 7:39:38 PM PST by Elixyveth
Hey Freepers, I am turning 21 soon and was wondering what handgun you would recommend for a girl looking to carry concealed. Im rather overwhelmed by all the shiny guns at Cabelas. ;) Thank you very much for your time!
I have a SW 442 and folks recommend this stuff all the time.
The truth is that it conceals great BUT
It has horrendous to non existent sights.
The Trigger pull is so long and stiff that you tend to pull off target even when you are concentrating.
And with 148 grain bullets this thing hurts my hand.
I haven’t tried 110s
But with 148 grain semi wadcutters it is painful.
Women take one shot, shake their heads and put it down.
I hear the Ruger LCR really absorbs a lot of the recoil, but I have not shot one.
I would recommend the cornered cat website and thehighroad.org
one of the Mods on the highroad is the lady who runs the cornered cat website.http://corneredcat.com
for picking guns start here:
lots of useful stuff.
I agree with Mr. Salvavida on the point that a revolver is the most simple and easiest to operate. I’m sure he meant that a .357 can also fire .38 special... which is true... not the .380... which wouldn’t be true.
Take it from me, a Mossberg is your best bet. A good pump shotgun is the best for home defense. It also comes in handy for hunting season.
Correct. Good catch :-)
But the best point anyone can make is carry what you are comfortable with.
Wear it like clothing, wear it all the time.
Wear it at your nieces year 6 birthday party, wear it cutting the lawn....
A 1911 at home in the safe wont help ya should the unimaginable happen.
Oooooh! Me likey!!
Kimber Ultra carry II
The 380 advice is fine, but if you tend to wear loose clothing and jackets, then consider something that starts with “4”.
Or, spend *lots* of money (if your life is worth it) on a tiny pocket 9mm from www.rohrbaughfirearms.com. Best value out there for people who want to survive.
Buy and read “Boston’s Gun Bible” NOW (first!) If you don’t think it’s worthwhile, I’ll buy your copy for double what you paid.
After you read it, you’ll be wiser than 95% of those who have posted on your thread (excluding those who have read it).
Thank you all very much for the advice! I hear the range calling my name...
Yes, it's only a .380...but for most women the potential assault will be up close and easy to hit right between the eyes.
It's the only pistol I carry concealed. 17oz empty, single stack, no sharp edges and mostly plastic.
As accurate as a cocked revolver...and just as reliable.
I am glad you heard the Range calling.
Guns are like women and cars. Everybody has their own opinion on them.
Are guns legal in Bahstan?
Thanks for posting this, I’ve been thinking along these lines myself & am finding a lot of valuable information here.
If you’re a Clint Eastwood fan then you can’t go wrong with a .357 magnum revolver.
>A lightweight 38 special revolver.Very safe. Very reliable. Very good stopping power with +p rounds.
I’m a bit partial to the .357 magnum revolver; you can fire all .38 special ammo plus the magnum’s ammo.
Though it is a bit heaver.
That’s pretty nice.
Mine’s a Colt Python, actually.
That one is next on my list!
I want to grab a 3rd generation G19.
Glock 27. Come by my place and I’ll even let you shoot it.
Purses get snatched and stolen. Kids get into them. The clutter inside a purse can cause an accidental discharge.
You carry sidearms at your side. In a real holster.
Yep...my favorite Master Blaster...Ruger Blackhawk Colt 45. You have to make a conscious effort to light it off by pulling the hammer back...no double actions or autos for me...
Here is some advice I gave to another poster a while back:
“I think the comment was a bit of hyperbole, either that or he misspoke. Two of the three S&W 642s belong to Mrs. RN, she carries one in her purse, the other is in a holster attached to her car. She carries a Kahr PM9 as her primary.
She is also a small lady (54, 100 lbs) and has very narrow palms and long fingers. She has no problem keeping her 642s on target at 25 yards (minute of bad guy as it were)and at 7 yards she can put 5 shots in 5 inches in less than 3 seconds. The recoil with a standard or purpose manufactured snubby .38 special cartridge is a not an issue for her. It certainly is not punishing by any stretch of the imagination. Dont get her +P or +P+ ammo, even I dont like them in a lightweight snubby for more than 20 shots or so.
I think your choice of a 642 with a crimson laser grip is an excellent one. A simple user interface for someone with little training is critical when you are operating on base instincts (fight or flight reflex). First teach her to shoot it without relying on the laser and when she is frightened and looses her fine motor skills, she can use the laser to fine tune her aim. Include the laser only when she is competent without it (you will get differing opinions on this). If you train her to use the laser exclusively she may hesitate if the laser stops working or she cant see it in time of trouble.
When she asks you when to stop shooting during an attack, tell her when the threat is stopped, or when she runs out of ammo (which ever comes first).
Buy her a couple of good speedloaders (the pushbutton type is best, get the ones with the short shaft and button, the type that you need to turn to use send you back to relying on fine motor skills), and teach her to use them correctly.
Work on her mind set. HER life is more important than that of anyone that seeks to harm her. They put themselves in a position to get shot/killed, she did not force them to attack. Her reaction should eventually be automatic and purposefully and forcefully lethal. Shoot to stop, if the attacker is killed as a byproduct, that is his problem.
Lastly - NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE AFTER A LETHAL FORCE ENCOUNTER, they are NOT there to help you, they are there to put someone in jail. If necessary, your only comment should be I was afraid for my life, I shot until he/she stopped. Then shut the hell up until you talk to your lawyer!
Sorry for the extended rant, I am pretty passionate about protecting those I love.”
Hope this helps.
Nice Pistol! I have several myself, but you need to answer the question if you carry it for self defense; Am I good enough with it to shoot it with my weak hand after the BG cuts all the tendons in my strong hand in his initial attack? If not, you might want to consider a double action.
Your response must have been meant for someone else.
However, I like both revolvers and semi-autos. I practice with, and carry both. My favorite concealed carry weapon is my S&W 642 Airweight. It also sits on my night stand when I sleep.
On a thread like this, there will be as many suggestions as there are posters.
A few general principles:
1. The best firearm is the one that’s with you when you need it, rather than home in the dresser drawer. The .38 or .380 you have with you is far better than the .45 you left at home.
2. If you’re not going to practice much, then a wheel gun is better than a semi-auto.
3. If you have small hands, then don’t overwhelm yourself - something on the order of eighty to ninety percent of conflicts end with the production of a weapon, without fire.
4. With the above in mind, a Smith and Wesson .38 should be fine; if its relatively small size worries you, load with modern hollow points, and consider keeping the chamber under the hammer empty for carry unless the revolver works on the principle of the transfer bar (another term to learn...).
Recenty, I was home alone, heard a big noise that woke me out of deep sleep. My heart was pounding, and I waited for “it” to take the next step....Praise, God! “It” wasn’t there.
Big lesson. My Judge was in it’s holster, in the chair next to bed. I was too scared to make the big reach, remove holster, etc. Then I had time to contemplate handling my 9mm (the slide, and all)under same scenario.
Men jump up, grab gun and go to war...
The fear factor in women. I’m no wimp, but pulled the covers up and layed real still. Finally turned on light and searched the house. Moved unholstered Judge to pillow, along with flashlight.
All of that to say, I want “point and shoot” above all.
I can take the head of a snake clean of with my .38. It’s a wonderful feeling. Aim low.
Hadn’t thought about the recoil. Sure doesn’t kick like my “Defender!”
If you are not an avid recreational shooter and are primarily concerned with concealed carry / self-protection, the weapon you choose needs to be compact and comfortable enough for you to be willing to carry it always. Also, it should be simple to use / operate. Bells & whistles cause complication. Point/aim and squeeze should be the mantra. Small frame double action revolvers fit the bill except they lack thinness and the better quality ones (J frame S&Ws for instance) are not very low cost. The .38 Special, (when loaded with an appropriate defensive load), is generally considered effective and has a descent track record in actual shootings. Unfortunately, the cylinder causes some bulk if you are willing to deal with that, (willing to dress accordingly in order to conceal & carry it), theyre great choices if they dont exceed your budget. I would advise against the .25 autos the caliber has an abyssimal record of performance as a defensive caliber. The .22s in a QUALITY weapon (such as the Berea 21) is marginally better and ammo is much cheaper thereby making practice more likely.
In the .380 ACP, the Kel-Teks have questionable quality issues. IMO, the Ruger LCP is far superior. However, the .380, although a big step up from the .25s and he .22s, is still not a reliable manstopper. If you choose a .380, look into the Buffalo Bore hard cast +P loads the Speer Gold Dot +P JHPs, (also from Buffalo Bore), is also good, but penetration is what makes a .380 viable. The JHPs may not always get that done, although they will PROBABLY do the job at close range.
My wife has a S&W Model 38 Airweight she carries in bulky coat pockets, but in the warm weather months she carries the Ruger LCP loaded as outlined above in a pocket. She also has the aforementioned Beretta 21, but the 380 (as before stated) is a step up. (I do believe the quality of the little Beretta is hugely better than the LCP (and the 21 is capable of single action operation, but that adds complication in stressful situations).
Summary ANY gun is better than NO gun. And, as John Wayne said as J.B. Books in The Shootist, being WILLING trumps just about everything else.
All things considered, the LCP should do OK, provided you practice at reasonable distances (5-7 yards) and make multiple, and fast hits your goal. Little guns are not easy to shoot, so getting some instruction would be a good idea.
Go with a .38 revolver that is designed for +p rounds.
Taurus has some that are highly recommended.
Keep in mind that your first gun is rarely the one you finish with, particularly if you are a Freeper.
But I would like to add that people should consider having more than one carry gun. As with everything else, this isnt a one size fits all world.
People should consider having a small and light carry gun for Normal situations something youre comfortable carrying all the time, and maybe a heavier weapon for when the threat probability is higher when you need to go to more urbanized areas or we are at a heighten threat level from terrorism.
yeah, but who the heck makes a good conceal carry holster for a single action- preferably in cross draw?
i’d love to carry my single six, but i can’t find good, concealable leather.
If you are a gun newbie then I would suggest a small .38 (or .357) caliber snub-nose revolver, due to its simplicity, safety and reliability. They are a bit thicker than a slim semi-automatic and harder to hide on your body, but no problem in a fanny pack or purse. When an emergency demands a quick response, you don’t have to remember whether a round is already chambered, or rack the slide, or fumble with the safety. Just point and squeeze. A semi-automatic is more likely to malfunction when you can least afford it to: ammo feeding problems, brass ejection problems, jamming due to loose hold, fatigued slide and magazines springs, etc. A revolver gives your 5 or 6 reliable shots. Most gun fights are up close and average fewer than 3 shots, according to police stats.
At least you had your defender handy.
At least you had your defender handy.
Yeah, all I’d have to do is rack it!
I’m a grandma. I enjoyed the thread.
We’ll I hope the thread is helpful to the original poster.
I think it probably was.
I have not taken the time to read all the comments, but from experience with these types of requsts, my professional advice is for you to retain the services of a well-established and reputable firearms trainer.
While well meaning for the most part, asking posters here for advice would be like asking the general pulic for advice on criminal defense-you wouldn’t, you’d find a good attorney.
There are many good resources for quality firearms training from NRA trained instructors in your local area to professional insitutions that train clients like you all hte way to the elite forces of our military and law enforement agencies etc.
Go to hrahq.org and from there you can find a list of certified folks in your area as a start.
WHY WOMAN SHOULD USE FIREARMS
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Jeff Cooper’s Rules of Gun Safety
From Pages 8-10 of The Modern Technique of the Pistol, by Greg Morrison, Gunsite Press, Paulden, Arizona, ISBN 0-9621342-3-6, Library of Congress Number 91-72644, $40
RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
There are no exceptions. Do not pretend that this is true. Some people and organizations take this rule and weaken it; e.g. “Treat all guns as if they were loaded.” Unfortunately, the “as if” compromises the directness of the statement by implying that they are unloaded, but we will treat them as though they are loaded. No good! Safety rules must be worded forcefully so that they are never treated lightly or reduced to partial compliance.
All guns are always loaded - period!
This must be your mind-set. If someone hands you a firearm and says, “Don’t worry, it’s not loaded,” you do not dare believe him. You need not be impolite, but check it yourself. Remember, there are no accidents, only negligent acts. Check it. Do not let yourself fall prey to a situation where you might feel compelled to squeal, “I didn’t know it was loaded!”
RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
Conspicuously and continuously violated, especially with pistols, Rule II applies whether you are involved in range practice, daily carry, or examination. If the weapon is assembled and in someone’s hands, it is capable of being discharged. A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling. If you are not willing to take a human life, do not cover a person with the muzzle. This rule also applies to your own person. Do not allow the muzzle to cover your extremities, e.g. using both hands to reholster the pistol. This practice is unsound, both procedurally and tactically. You may need a free hand for something important. Proper holster design should provide for one-handed holstering, so avoid holsters which collapse after withdrawing the pistol. (Note: It is dangerous to push the muzzle against the inside edge of the holster nearest the body to “open” it since this results in your pointing the pistol at your midsection.) Dry-practice in the home is a worthwhile habit and it will result in more deeply programmed reflexes. Most of the reflexes involved in the Modern Technique do not require that a shot be fired. Particular procedures for dry-firing in the home will be covered later. Let it suffice for now that you do not dry-fire using a “target” that you wish not to see destroyed. (Recall RULE I as well.)
RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
Rule III is violated most anytime the uneducated person handles a firearm. Whether on TV, in the theaters, or at the range, people seem fascinated with having their finger on the trigger. Never stand or walk around with your finger on the trigger. It is unprofessional, dangerous, and, perhaps most damaging to the psyche, it is klutzy looking. Never fire a shot unless the sights are superimposed on the target and you have made a conscious decision to fire. Firing an unaligned pistol in a fight gains nothing. If you believe that the defensive pistol is only an intimidation tool - not something to be used - carry blanks, or better yet, reevaluate having one around. If you are going to launch a projectile, it had best be directed purposely. Danger abounds if you allow your finger to dawdle inside the trigger guard. As soon as the sights leave the target, the trigger-finger leaves the trigger and straightens alongside the frame. Since the hand normally prefers to work as a unit - as in grasping - separating the function of the trigger-finger from the rest of the hand takes effort. The five-finger grasp is a deeply programmed reflex. Under sufficient stress, and with the finger already placed on the trigger, an unexpected movement, misstep or surprise could result in a negligent discharge. Speed cannot be gained from such a premature placement of the trigger-finger. Bringing the sights to bear on the target, whether from the holster or the Guard Position, takes more time than that required for moving the trigger finger an inch or so to the trigger.
RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET
Know what it is, what is in line with it, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything you have not positively identified. Be aware of your surroundings, whether on the range or in a fight. Do not assume anything. Know what you are doing.
Make these rules a part of your character. Never compromise them. Improper gunhandling results from ignorance and improper role modeling, such as handling your gun like your favorite actor does. Education can cure this. You can make a difference by following these gunhandling rules and insisting that those around you do the same. Set the example. Who knows what tragedies you, or someone you influence, may prevent?
FIVE RULES FOR ccw ALSO KNOW AS LEGAL CARRY
GUN HANDLING SKILLS ARE PEARISHABLE UNLESS PRACTICED REGULARLY.
I FIRE 5000 ROUNDS ANNUANLLY MOSTLY WITH SEMI AUTOMATAICS.
HOWEVER FOR PERSONAL “HOME SAFETY” AND “CARRY USE” A WHEEL GUN (REVOLVER). WHY? WHEN I AM SLEEPLY, OR RUNNING AND FINDING COVER AND MY GUN JAMS (WHICH SEMI AUTOMATICS DO) I CAN CLEAR MY REVOLVER BY JUST PULLING THE TRIGGER WITH ANOTHER TRIGGER PULL. NONE OF THIS TAP AND RACK BS. OR WORSE YET I AM INJURED IN ONE ARM.
IF YOU ARE A SMALL FRAME WOMAN BUY A 8 SHOT 22 LR, A LARGER WOAMN A 38 “2” WHEEL GUN WITH HOLSTER WOULD BE JUST FINE.
REMEMEBER JUST SHOWING A GUN WILL CAUSE 99.999 OF THE PERPS TO TURN AND RUN. JOHN LOTT SAYS YOU WILL ONLY FIRE ONCE FOR EVERY 2000 DRAWS.
High Ride PS9, can be used for both strong side and cross draw. Excellent quality and customer service.
You can also get them from Dillon Precision.
awesome! thank you. they even have shoulder rigs for SAA. i think i know what i’m getting myself for Christmas now :)
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