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EPA To Impose Cap & Trade, What Now? (vanity)
tatown | 12/28/10 | tatown

Posted on 12/28/2010 8:49:08 PM PST by tatown

Okay folks, what happens from here? Seriously, is there a chance that the toothpaste can be put back into the tube with respect to healthcare, cap & trade, etc? I know there are many smart folks in here, and I'd love to hear your thoughts.


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1 posted on 12/28/2010 8:49:10 PM PST by tatown
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To: tatown

Run for office.


2 posted on 12/28/2010 8:55:18 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: tatown

It’s biblical. The end times. Just wait for Jesus.


3 posted on 12/28/2010 8:55:54 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: tatown

I hate to drag your post down from the begenning but honestly history offers no other solution beyond lots of people dying. Good people have to rise up and become far worse than the evil they must destroy. And the ones that survive can go home and help rebuild whats left.

A culture that is rotting from within can only be cured from within, or it will be destroyed from within or from the outside.


4 posted on 12/28/2010 8:57:33 PM PST by fuzzybutt (Democrat Lawyers are the root of all evil.)
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To: tatown

Rule by bureacratic fiat must be ended entirely in the United States. The Republic cannot bear this. We must have are laws made by our elected representatives, not by unelected bureacrats.


5 posted on 12/28/2010 8:58:10 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (GratefulWhich scriptures were used in "the Apostles' ministries?)
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To: Cisco Nix

so for the life on other planets and dimensions per classic m theory physics; do you suppose jesus was there too?


6 posted on 12/28/2010 8:58:23 PM PST by sentient
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To: tatown
Resistance

Trust me, this will not be allowed to stand. The whole of Obama's unconstitutional usurpation of power is going to come tumbling down. The people have only just begun to fight.



7 posted on 12/28/2010 9:02:57 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: tatown

And the answer is....;

The scu&bags have elected the scu&bags to run things and the people who were thought to be the antidote to the scu&bags are scu&bags themselves. So, the answer is....
the scu&bags are winning, so hold on to your wallets and think of what concentration camp you’d prefer. (Hot climate or cold climate.)

Look around you. Some of the people who surround you have looked to humans for salvation.

IMHO


8 posted on 12/28/2010 9:03:39 PM PST by ripley
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To: Windflier

I certainly hope you are right but do the good guys in congress have the guts to do what is necessary?


9 posted on 12/28/2010 9:04:21 PM PST by tatown (Obama is a turd)
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To: sentient

non sequitur


10 posted on 12/28/2010 9:07:39 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: tatown

If there is to be a chance that we save America truely as the nation it was intended to be then we must raise our voice and oppose these types of ‘rule of law’ that offer no recourse to giving representation to ‘We the People’.

Of course in regards to our National Security we will always have to live by some different standard but not in regards to regulating business, and our personal lives. This is a pure fascism to have new laws passed without the Congress simply by FIAT by a leader.

We ALL need to make our voices and our outrage HEARD!!!

That is my suggestion for what we should do.

Dont shut-up, get louder.


11 posted on 12/28/2010 9:10:23 PM PST by TheBigIf
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To: tatown

America will take it with a smile as it has been doing for a long time.


12 posted on 12/28/2010 9:19:39 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: tatown

Pray for the bankruptcy of the Federal Government.

We’ll either go into a dictatorship or return to limited Government and local power. it’s a 50/50 chance, but its better than the road of out-of-control Gov’t we are on now.


13 posted on 12/28/2010 9:22:35 PM PST by PGR88
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To: tatown
I certainly hope you are right but do the good guys in congress have the guts to do what is necessary?

Have you already forgotten November?

Friend, the country just took a right turn hard enough to throw half the liberal passengers out the left side window.

Yes, the new 'Tea-publicans' in the US House are going to do great things. Even more-so after President Palin is sworn in.

14 posted on 12/28/2010 9:23:42 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: tatown

Yes it is possible it will all be unfunded if not repealed. In case you don’t know, we are in the eye of the storm, every level of government and the banks are bankrupt. We are bankrupt. Obamacare is going to blow up because healthcare will go blackmarket as costs skyrocket. Cap and Trade will blow up as people start to freeze their butts off from lack of fuel.

It ain’t gonna be pretty, it is like the bursting of a boil.


15 posted on 12/28/2010 9:23:51 PM PST by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: tatown

De-fund the EPA. Congress has the power to do it.


16 posted on 12/28/2010 9:27:38 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: Windflier

November was great but Obama’s approval rating sure doesn’t seem to be getting any worse no matter how far down the fascism path he takes us.


17 posted on 12/28/2010 9:30:21 PM PST by tatown (Obama is a turd)
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To: tatown
It will take much more than gaining control of congress and the presidency. The entire federal apparatus will have to be purged. Tens of thousands of bureaucrats, agents, and other types of officials will have to go. Getting these people to accept the loss of their parasitic way of life will lead to violence on a scale we have not seen on American soil since the Civil War. These feds will fight back with everything they can muster, and their army will be made of the freeloader class and the radicalized left.

If we want to re-establish the republic then we are going to have to get damn nasty, and do things that we normally would consider unthinkable. The day when the ballot box could save the republic are long over. The decision time is coming soon, and Obama is just speeding up the process.

18 posted on 12/28/2010 9:39:00 PM PST by Jay Redhawk
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To: tatown
November was great but Obama’s approval rating sure doesn’t seem to be getting any worse no matter how far down the fascism path he takes us.

Obama has just about hit rock bottom as far as his approval rating goes. His hard-core liberal base (including the majority of blacks) won't ever disapprove of him, no matter how rotten a president he is.

If you've been watching carefully, though, he's lost a lot of support among Independents, and so-called moderate Democrats. They're one of the reasons that so many Governorships, state legislatures, and US House seats went red in the last election. He's been refudiated - Big Time.

He's about to start the second half of his term without a fully compliant Congress, and in fact, the Congress will likely bend him into a pretzel over the next two years with defunding of his signature programs and alphabet agencies. There are going to be lots of investigations to keep him on pins and needles, as well. It's going to be very entertaining.

And, let's not forget all of the federal lawsuits that the states will be bringing over ObamaCare and the EPA clean air mandates. He's about to be pummeled with opposition from the right, like nobody's business.

19 posted on 12/28/2010 9:52:15 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Nothing I’d enjoy more than watching him get politically pummeled for the next two years.

I must say that cap & trade scares me much more than Obamacare. As bad as Obamacare is, cap & trade could completely destroy what’s left of the economy...and to think that it’s all being done in the name of ‘climate change’.


20 posted on 12/28/2010 9:59:58 PM PST by tatown (Obama is a turd)
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To: Jay Redhawk
"Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death"

a nationwide tax revolt on a biblical scale could turn the tables

(P.S. Im not in unless at least 100 million people participate along with me)

21 posted on 12/28/2010 10:04:00 PM PST by KTM rider ( patriot turned rebel)
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To: tatown
Cap'n Trade ain't nothin compared to the VAT tax they have planned for us,

they'll say it will be "for the survival of our country"

22 posted on 12/28/2010 10:09:22 PM PST by KTM rider ( patriot turned rebel)
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To: KTM rider
I too am ready to starve the beast. In fact, that may be a good way to begin, but remember that hungry animals can be vicious and they will be unpleasant to deal with.
23 posted on 12/28/2010 10:12:45 PM PST by Jay Redhawk
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

What the hell difference would that make?


24 posted on 12/28/2010 10:18:55 PM PST by onedoug
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To: DaxtonBrown

What will happen is, the dollar bubble will burst. The country will be in such dire straits that people will riot and protest violently. Govt will step in to quell the violence, and clamp down on all dissidents. The left will smile, as they will then have the Republicans, conservatives under complete control. WE ARE SO EFFED. The only thing that can save us is God, or God’s hand working with the right humans.


25 posted on 12/28/2010 10:28:32 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: runninglips

If things go too far, the military has an obligation to uphold the Constitution.


26 posted on 12/28/2010 10:32:08 PM PST by Cowgirl
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To: tatown

As I understand it, the power to pass laws resides with the congress. Congress also has no authority to delegate it’s sworn duties to someone else. Refuse to comply on the grounds that no law has been passed.


27 posted on 12/28/2010 10:32:18 PM PST by Boiling point (Beck / Palin 2012)
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To: Windflier

How long have you been watching the political scene? What will happen is the same thing that happened during Clintons impeachment. The R’s will find just enough traitors to allow this to go on long enough to re-inaugurate Zero, and have enough left over to take the House back for the Democrats. The reason why, conservatives will be “gunnysacked” by the Republicans. We have maybe 2 years left to get things done. We don’t have time for a change of course. We need a “reset” NOW. Tell me who has the cojones to do that on the scene today?


28 posted on 12/28/2010 10:32:22 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: Cowgirl

Except the military will shoot anyone going against orders. They will also have the families of soldiers ON THE BASE, and available to be “held for their own protection”.


29 posted on 12/28/2010 10:34:11 PM PST by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: runninglips

I’m talking about the leaders themselves.


30 posted on 12/28/2010 10:36:26 PM PST by Cowgirl
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To: fuzzybutt

I hate to drag your post down from the begenning but honestly history offers no other solution beyond lots of people dying. Good people have to rise up and become far worse than the evil they must destroy. And the ones that survive can go home and help rebuild whats left.

********************

You’re forgetting the many Christian revivals that have happened in America over the last 150 years.


31 posted on 12/28/2010 11:09:04 PM PST by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we finally revolt.)
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To: runninglips

>We need a “reset” NOW.

A Christian revival is a reset button.


32 posted on 12/28/2010 11:20:08 PM PST by ROTB (Sans Christian revival, we are government slaves, or nuked by China/Russia when we finally revolt.)
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To: runninglips
How long have you been watching the political scene?

I've always watched the political scene, but only closely (rabid news junkie grade) since about 1992. Blame it on Bubba. He pissed me off so bad, that it made me start looking for real answers, which of course, caused me to eventually escape the lib/Dem plantation.

The R’s will find just enough traitors to allow this to go on long enough to re-inaugurate Zero, and have enough left over to take the House back for the Democrats. The reason why, conservatives will be “gunnysacked” by the Republicans.

I know that the establishment Rs will try to pull the same old, same old on the incoming Tea-publicans, but they're going to soon find that those freshmen reps have the power of the people standing behind them.

Not to mention, a lot of the old guard know that the game has changed, and that they can't just snooker the youngsters they way they always have. Most understand that we're already gunning for their seats, and they're going to have to actually represent us for a change, or they're going to be history in short order.

Yes, we still have a tough fight ahead, but the inertia and the momentum is on our side. The midterm electoral wipe out was only an indicator of how rebellious the people really are. Things really have changed, and they are NOT going back to the way they were. Ever. There's been a true sea change, and the ruling class knows it.

Don't fall into the trap of under-confidence. We The People are going to win this fight.

We have maybe 2 years left to get things done. We don’t have time for a change of course. We need a “reset” NOW. Tell me who has the cojones to do that on the scene today?

Do you really have to ask?


45th President of The United States

Sarah Palin

33 posted on 12/28/2010 11:21:57 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

We don’t yet deserve her like. If We The People trun back to The Lord, then perhaps He will grant our prayers for a Lady who consults His counsel in humulity. But we are not there as of this month.


34 posted on 12/28/2010 11:31:06 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: tatown
Nothing I’d enjoy more than watching him get politically pummeled for the next two years.

Then, you're in for a real treat. Obama is already a miserable failure in the eyes of most people in this country. The midterm election results are a testament to that. As the pain of his radical agenda begins to set in even stronger over the next two years, he won't have anywhere to hide.

He's lost the House, and lots of his closest aides are leaving him. The rumor mill is swirling at a dizzying pace in DC, and everything he touches seems to instantly turn to crap in his hands. The world is laughing at him. The doting press is even softening on him. He didn't get the DREAM Act, which would have assured some hope of millions of new Democrat voters. His ultra hard-core base is pissed with him because Gitmo is still open, and Cap & Trade has not been made the law of the land. Independents and moderate Dems who gave him the affirmative action vote in 2008 are fleeing from him in droves, and he's invigorated the right majority like no one since King George III.

Now, you tell me what sort of year Barry's about to have .. LOL

35 posted on 12/28/2010 11:34:19 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MHGinTN
We don’t yet deserve her...

I think she's here because we do. The majority of Americans have continued to keep faith with our nation's Founding Ideals, and we do not deserve the leftist pestilence that is upon us.

If we good Americans are guilty of anything, it's of investing too much trust in men to honor their oaths of office, and to adhere to the Constitution and those traditions which made this country great.

We have learned a harsh lesson, and have come very close to losing our country because of our naivete and our slumbering ways. But no more. It is over. We are now standing, and Sarah is leading the way back.

36 posted on 12/28/2010 11:40:31 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: tatown

2 years til we can hope for stopping these madmen..and women. A mass firing is in order.


37 posted on 12/29/2010 12:30:57 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: sentient

“so for the life on other planets and dimensions per classic m theory physics; do you suppose jesus was there too?”

If there’s life on other planets
then I’m sure that He must know
He’s been there once already
and died to save their souls
(Larry Norman UFO)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzz8Yfr0nWI


38 posted on 12/29/2010 3:01:44 AM PST by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: tatown; enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; TenthAmendmentChampion; Clive; scripter; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

39 posted on 12/29/2010 3:44:20 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: tatown

time for congress to restrict the EPA powers


40 posted on 12/29/2010 3:48:12 AM PST by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: tatown

What is the statutory authority under which the EPA can create a taxing scheme?


41 posted on 12/29/2010 4:01:33 AM PST by liberateUS
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To: Windflier

Thank you for your inspiration this AM!


42 posted on 12/29/2010 4:01:52 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Jack Black; Travis McGee; archy

Ping for your consideration.


43 posted on 12/29/2010 4:09:11 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: fuzzybutt

Good people have to rise up and become far worse than the evil they must destroy.

This makes no sense. People rising up against the Communists or the NAZIS would have been “far worse than the evil they must destroy”? There is no moral imperative in the way you seem to see it.


44 posted on 12/29/2010 4:21:09 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: tatown

2010 was dress rehearsal.. 2012 is the main event..
2014 is being planned now..

The TpCaucus is GROWing every where.. even in places you would not expect.. (JAWS THEME)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCfWHqrYUqo


45 posted on 12/29/2010 7:38:30 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Caipirabob

You’re welcome, Bob.


46 posted on 12/29/2010 8:11:04 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: tatown
EPA To Impose Cap & Trade, What Now?

When in hand-to-hand combat to the death with an enemy and have been unarmed.....

.....you choke them, you poke their eyes out, you try to drown them.

The EPA and the radical left is in a fight to the death with what America and freedom are.

We must REMOVE ALL FUNDING. Figuratively starve them to death, choke them, drown them.

Remove ALL RESEARCH GRANTS. Figuratively poke their eyes out and blind them.

We will not be able to win this without killing the EPA beast!

47 posted on 12/29/2010 8:18:36 AM PST by SteamShovel (Beware the RINO-VIRUS...It will kill the TEA Party movement.)
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To: Windflier
We shall see ... my earnest prayer is that you are right, that a majority of VOTING Americans will be awake to the Spirit of His Grace toward us and use our votes to stop this devilish plummet into the hell of secularism and degeneracy.

I suspect one of the main things that stirs hate from/in the media scum, the leftist idiots, and elite Rove & Kondracke is the clarity of Sarah's humility before the Lord! Secular scum cannot stand someone who humbles herself before the Lord of Glory when making important decisions ... Esthers aren't pretty to these scum! The strategy to obfuscate Sarah's faith in The Lord is to paint her as intellectually inferior, without them being honest enough to say they hate her for her religious faithfulness. But that IS what they hate about Sarah. The sham of barry the bastard, pseudo-intellectual and faux christian fits the mold of what the secularist love in their dead-soul leaders.

48 posted on 12/29/2010 9:47:28 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: onedoug
What the hell difference would that make?

Ah, yes. Good point. Posting to FR is what will truly make a difference. For best results stop all political activity after that.

49 posted on 12/29/2010 10:13:01 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Who is going to stop these unelected bureaucrats from ruling by fiat? The new Congress?

At least posting to FR gives one a voice, however small. Stopping ¨all political activity after that¨ came from you.


50 posted on 12/29/2010 10:26:05 AM PST by onedoug
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