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How to reverse the destruction of American jobs: Replace (all) taxes, with one 100% import tariff.
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Posted on 01/02/2011 9:14:39 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network

For far too long, American conservatives have become accustomed to "blaming" the destruction of American jobs (rightfully) on unions and lawyers.

It's all true, but while it's true - America is falling apart.

Blaming those who caused the problem won't prevent the destruction of our great nation.


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KEYWORDS: americafirst; arsenalofdemocracy; chanellinghugochavez; channelinglincoln; china; dumbidea; economicsuicide; faultylogic; freetrade; greatdepressionredux; jobs; selfdestructive; smoothawley
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To: enduserindy

“Simply passing a 100% tariff(sic) on all imports would hurt everybody starting with the little guy.”

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Gotta start somewhere! We’ve been in the waffling inaction mode for far, far too long.

Might as well be there. What we’re doing now is destroying our beloved nation, rapidly.


51 posted on 01/02/2011 11:09:12 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Wow...that’s an asinine idea.


52 posted on 01/02/2011 11:11:11 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("[T]here is nothing so aggravating [in life] as being condescended to by an idiot" ~ Ann Coulter)
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To: big'ol_freeper

How so?

You think our current situation is sustainable?


53 posted on 01/02/2011 11:12:11 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

So, if I follow, it’s basically zero sum. At least at first.
Once domestic manufacturing kicks in tax revenues drop.


54 posted on 01/02/2011 11:18:01 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The free market works best. The idea you proposed is a component of socialism and would lead to greater economic instability, fewer choices for consumers, inflation, and higher unemployment. Any economist can tell you that.

A better plan is to work to open markets to exports. That might mean selectively getting tough for short periods of time with countries that are not playing fair, but the free market is the only way to get out of the mess we’re in.


55 posted on 01/02/2011 11:22:44 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("[T]here is nothing so aggravating [in life] as being condescended to by an idiot" ~ Ann Coulter)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

About 20 years too late. When US companies started sending production overseas, that’s when they should have been assessed with a special tax equal to three to five years’ payroll for the closed plants. That money should have been impounded (i.e., NOT whizzed away by the congress) as an economic adjustment cushion to absorb the destruction of the US economy.

The horses — and the mules, and the hay, and the tools — have been stolen; no need to worry about buying a lock for the barn door.


56 posted on 01/02/2011 11:25:14 AM PST by GadareneDemoniac
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Don’t deflect my question about how is the average Chinese person is doing per capita like I’m currently deflecting your statement about China’s trade barriers. :). (I’m not really deflecting your reply; I’m currently researching what actual trade barriers are in place by China with the caveat that you may be right.)

But just think about it, how is the average Chinese person doing compared to the average person from a developed country? Anecdotally, this is all I need to know when evaluating the efficacy of China’s trade policies.


57 posted on 01/02/2011 11:28:14 AM PST by TXConservative25
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To: moehoward

Bingo.

Exactly. Dollar for dollar.

Might as well take such a position individually - and perhaps as a group. Because what we’re doing now will lead to our national collapse within one single generation, IHMO.

Just look back 20 years.

20 years ago, bicycle was the primary mode of transport in Beijing. America was undisputed superpower of the globe, as Ronald Reagen stared down Mr. Gorbachev over that wall.

Now. We are dissolving.

And nobody. Nobody. Seems ready to dare point out the Emperor isn’t clothed.

We just keep spouting slogals about “free trade”, as we sink rapidly into ever-rising joblessness and economic collapse.

Well. I’ll say it:

The Emperor is NAKED AS A JAYBIRD!


58 posted on 01/02/2011 11:29:14 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: GadareneDemoniac

So we do nothing?

Sorry. Not with you, on that “plan”.

That’s what we’ve been doing. Nothing.


59 posted on 01/02/2011 11:31:00 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: TXConservative25

China is booming.

They have more cell phone users than any other nation, and their economy is growing.

While we dissolve. Seemingly, comatose.


60 posted on 01/02/2011 11:33:21 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; a fool in paradise
Agreed. Tax everything except underwear!


61 posted on 01/02/2011 11:34:27 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Only if it’s imported. :)


62 posted on 01/02/2011 11:35:05 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Defiant
Sounds like the same thinking that lead to Smoot-Hawley. How’d that work out?

Tell us. When quoting the sources, show us their background & affiliations. No S-H wasn't the reason of or for the great depression but that's what these One World Odor/elites want to show down your minds.

63 posted on 01/02/2011 11:39:09 AM PST by Digger (eace.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
For far too long, American conservatives have become accustomed to "blaming" the destruction of American jobs on unions

There are now more government employee union members than private sector union members in the U.S.

GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE UNIONS

64 posted on 01/02/2011 11:40:01 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

This would drive us at warp speed into to catastrophic disastorous depression. Better idea. 18% fair tax. That’s it. Drop all other taxes. Anything/service you buy, you pay 18% tax. But a fair tax will never happen. We have the present tax system. not by chance, but by design. It’s been put in place by our elected gangsters to control us. To keep us under the yoke. The time of fairness and justice came and went. When these theives learned long ago that they could tax us and raid the national treasury, our right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness went out the window.


65 posted on 01/02/2011 11:40:05 AM PST by Main Street (Stuck in traffic.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Via one, single, simple across the board - 100% import tariff on everything imported to the United States of America.

Have live in countries that did that. 100% Tariff. For some reason they were always very poor countries.

Even more strange was that when they lowered their tariffs and implemented other reforms their economies began to improve.

66 posted on 01/02/2011 11:42:54 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (When all you have is bolt cutters & vodka everything looks like the lock on Wolf Blitzer's boathouse)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
If we export so much, how is it we are running the largest trade deficit in the history of the world?

Because we import OIL.

$10 a gallon gas. The greenie weenies will be so happy.

67 posted on 01/02/2011 11:45:57 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (When all you have is bolt cutters & vodka everything looks like the lock on Wolf Blitzer's boathouse)
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To: Main Street
We have the present tax system. not by chance, but by design. It’s been put in place by our elected gangsters to control us. To keep us under the yoke.

Yep, and these gangsters in D.C. won't ever change that, or implement term limits or make 3rd parties a viable option. This is our corrupt "Two-Party Cartel" that us taxpayers work for until almost June of each yr.

68 posted on 01/02/2011 11:51:04 AM PST by Digger (eace.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Tax the outsourcing of American jobs. How? I dunno, there must be a way. Is it too late? Prolly!

It’s one thing to import underwear made in Vietnam. It’s another to run your business in the U.S. using labor located in India.


69 posted on 01/02/2011 11:51:25 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: dragnet2

To be fair, I did agree with that opinion. :)

I just don’t support us doing nothing, just because liberals have caused this mess.

Though honestly, “conservative” free traders are just as much to blame. That’s the part which really gets me worked up.

Our own side. Ordinarily quick to understand the importance of geopolitical power. Is for some reason, deaf dumb and blind about communist China.

Imagine if you went to Wal*mart tomorrow, and everything on the shelves said “Made in the Soviet Union”.

That’s (exactly) - in every single way - what is happening.

I think it may be - conservatives have been cowed by a generation of relentless PC indoctrination, into refusing to consider anyone who is not racially white - as an actual strategic threat to America.

I can’t come up with any other explanation.

It’s like group hypnosis.

Russians look like us. So we knew and attributed to them, what we understood. Power.

Chinese are different - so evidently we presume they are not up to the task of challenging us globally.

Trust me. They are... In fact, they are challenging us globally right now.

And we’re doing NOTHING to change any of the trends which are without exception, leading to Chinese ascendancy.

Because we refuse to do anything.

Lest we somehow, upset “free trade”. Can’t have that.


70 posted on 01/02/2011 11:52:11 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Defiant
"Sounds like the same thinking that lead to Smoot-Hawley. How’d that work out?"

Pretty good. If we had traded our factories to Japan, Germany and China before WW II, we would have lost.

71 posted on 01/02/2011 11:54:33 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

No, we don’t “do nothing”.

We need to radically shrink government spending at all levels, and try to rebuild this country the old fashioned way, based on hard work, frugality, and reliance on Almighty God.

How are we going to be “the arsenal of democracy” if we don’t even produce our own underwear or socks? Given that fact, let’s pull in our horns and try to rebuild.

Militarily, we have two allies: the UK (about 60%) and Israel (about 80%). Support them and let everybody else do what they want to do.

Here at home, curtail welfare spending! The other day I was at the store and saw two big fat ladies buying over $ 400 worth of meat — meat, not vegetables, just meat — and paying with an EBT (food stamp) card. They are selling the meat that you and I are paying for! Enough is enough.

Will there be trouble? Sure will, sooner or later. Let’s take the medicine now and rebuild our country.


72 posted on 01/02/2011 11:57:12 AM PST by GadareneDemoniac
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

But they also have a billion people. There are more cell phones than there are total people in America (both legal and illegal) in both China and India. I think you’re comparing apples to oranges here.


73 posted on 01/02/2011 12:22:55 PM PST by TXConservative25
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To: TXConservative25

I’m not unfamiliar with China.

That’s part of the reason, it troubles me we seem so blind.

China is very much, focused. Quite formidable in fact. More than most here, seem ready to consider.

I really don’t get it.


74 posted on 01/02/2011 12:26:30 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I’m not saying you are, but there’s no way we will ever have more cell phone users than China; it’s impossible.


75 posted on 01/02/2011 12:31:18 PM PST by TXConservative25
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To: TXConservative25

A distraction perhaps.

How about the fact, your cell phone (as well as your computer, your iPad and everything around you right now) was manufactured there.

In factories, which employ a billion Chinese increasingly, technologically sophisticated skilled workers - who just one generation ago rode around in Mao jackets on bicycles.

While we argue whether or not to start “QE3”! And pontificate about “going Galt”.

Soon as trends continue - we will be the ones on bicycles, while China makes IBM PCs under the name “Lenovo” as well as everything else we buy.

Sending our money. Every dollar eventually. Out of the country.

The degree of denial we are in, is staggering.


76 posted on 01/02/2011 12:37:58 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: cc2k
That's one of the biggest problems with the FairTax. It doesn't help spending.

No tax system is designed to specifically address spending. However The Fair Tax does address the spending problem by eliminating the IRS and its $11 billion/year price tag. The Fair Tax dovetails with the limited government principles in the Tea party for the above reason.
77 posted on 01/02/2011 1:19:15 PM PST by Defend Liberty
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To: Pollster1
I like the idea of a flat tax set by the spending bills passed for that year.

Congress like the idea of a flat income tax when they passed the 16th Amendment in 1913. People were taxed 1% on the first $20,000 of income and 7% on nay income over $500,000. Less than 1% of the population earned more than $500,000. That also means more than 99% paid the 1% tax, making it a flat tax on income. It has evolved over 98 years into the multi tiered, convoluted, increasingly intrusive mess we have today.

The same will happen with another flat income tax only faster thanks to the thousands of lobbyists that didn't exist in 1913. They will create more loopholes and exemptions for their big business clients that has ballooned the federal income tax code to more than 67,500 pages.

The Fair Tax will prevent history from repeating itself by fundamentally shifting power away from the federal government to the people as the latter will decide when and how often they are taxed.
78 posted on 01/02/2011 1:19:22 PM PST by Defend Liberty
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To: TXConservative25

The average Chinese earns about 2400 per year.

Cell phones and TVs are frequently bought at low levels of income throughout the world and neither of those goods is an accurate measure of GDP in the way you think it is.


79 posted on 01/02/2011 1:24:44 PM PST by texmexis best (`)
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To: TXConservative25

Average household income in 2009 was 10,220 in China. Not a great deal.


80 posted on 01/02/2011 2:22:13 PM PST by texmexis best (`)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
The economic illiteracy I have seen exhibited on this thread is striking.

I'm all for reducing taxes, but not by replacing it with a tariff that would make international trade prohibitive and which would lead to a trade war, as former partners retaliated in kind. The way to restore our manufacturing base is to eliminate government restrictions and policies that have chased it away and allow the free market to function.

81 posted on 01/02/2011 7:08:16 PM PST by Defiant (There is no line on the march towards marxism that Democrats won't cross. Democrat=CPUSA)
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To: muawiyah

Amen, bro.


82 posted on 01/02/2011 7:09:48 PM PST by Defiant (There is no line on the march towards marxism that Democrats won't cross. Democrat=CPUSA)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Sounds good.


83 posted on 01/03/2011 12:38:01 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Defend Liberty; Pollster1
Defend Liberty wrote:
No tax system is designed to specifically address spending. However The Fair Tax does address the spending problem by eliminating the IRS and its $11 billion/year price tag. The Fair Tax dovetails with the limited government principles in the Tea party for the above reason.
So, the FairTax might save enough to take the deficit from $1,470,000,000,000 to $1,459,000,000,000 before you add what the states will charge the feds for administrative and collection fees. Or will this be an unfunded mandate on the states?

The FairTax folks have grossly underestimated the administrative and enforcement costs of the FairTax. They base their estimates on current sales taxes in many states. However, no state has a tax base as wide as the FairTax, nor is there a state with a sales tax rate anywhere close to as high as the proposed tax rates in the FairTax. Thousands of businesses (mainly service businesses) which do not currently collect sales tax would be added to the sales tax rolls. And the states generally have no experience with trying to collect taxes from these currently untaxed businesses. Adding them to the sales tax rolls will cost money. Where will it come from?

The real problem right now is that for every $1 we pay in tax revenues, the Congress borrows an additional $0.40 so that they can spend a total of $1.40 for every tax dollar we pay.

A "revenue neutral" tax system replacement doesn't do anything to resolve the actual problems we are facing now.

Finally, I think most TEA Partiers are in favor of scrapping our current system. The "Contract from America" last year included fundamental tax reform. Here's their point on that:

From the Contract from America
Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 word—the length of the original Constitution.
I would definitely support that.

However, H.R.25 (The FairTax bill) is very heavy for that goal, coming in around 5 times the length of the constitution (well over 22,000 words).

Oh, and in your reply to Pollster1, you left something out. You should have included this:

The same will happen with another flat income tax FairTax only faster thanks to the thousands of lobbyists that didn't exist in 1913.

84 posted on 01/03/2011 6:29:52 AM PST by cc2k
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Gotta start somewhere!.. Might as well be there.” Terrible answer. How about we Abolish trade with communists altogether, exports too, not just tarrifs. A better place to start would be securing borders or putting the EPA in check. Your tarrif would mean less product on shelves not a solved problem. There are many countries on par with our standards, Canada for starters. One idea sprang from what you said though, pass a law stating by the year 2020 we shall import no energy and remove the restrictions preventing us from being energy independent. That in itself would spark a boom like none we’ve seen in my lifetime and best of all it won’t just be a bubble.


85 posted on 01/03/2011 7:13:39 AM PST by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

So, let’s say that this works for a few months, until imports stop and people can’t afford to pay twice for imported goods and will be severely limited to what they can only buy here. Then, after there is less competition, and all that Union and high cost labor jacks the price up on most everything, not to mention the already high cost to produce anything in this country, we not only have record unemployment, we have record inflation and shortages of most everything. What’s your solution to that?

And you are dead wrong about how we became the greatest nation on Earth. It did not happen through a 100% import tariff. It happened because at the time, we grew and produced a surplus of goods that we sold around the World, that the rest of the World demanded. Thank God that those other countries did not do back then, what you advocate today. If they had, we would still be a colony under some other export empire.


86 posted on 01/03/2011 7:31:48 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

This has got to be the stupidest idea I’ve ever seen seriously suggested on FR. What better way to send our economy back to the level of the old USSR...except even they had trade partners. If we did this, we wouldn’t have any...except for the natural resources we’d be forced to buy (at double the price, gee what a great idea). So, we’d have manufacturing jobs, but not ad many as we have now because no one would buy our stuff and we’d be a captive market forced to overpay for now crappy goods due to loss of competition...yeah, sounds exactly like the old Soviet Union....


87 posted on 01/03/2011 7:43:55 AM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: cc2k
Any single item in the federal budget is a very small percentage compared to the overall budget. However the IRS is the single biggest and most costly agency in the federal government. The far greater cost is the sacrifice of Constitutional freedoms with a system that presume people guilty until proven innocent and has the power to delve into every personal aspect of one a person's life. All that goes away with The Fair Tax. How do you know what the cost of The Fair Tax will be? Where is you data? Are you actually claiming the 136 page Fair Tax will not cost less than the than the 67,500 plus page, $11 billion federal income tax code? Your comparing state income tax bases and state tax rates to the Fair Tax is irrelevant since the Fair Tax is a federal, not a state tax!

The Fair Tax rate will not collect anymore than is currently collected under the federal income tax code. Forty five states already collect a state sales tax. The Fair Tax will be merely one more line on the forms used to collect state sales taxes. Moreover businesses will be paid for remitting the tax. As IA stated in my earlier post, no tax code is designed to specifically addresses spending but the Fair will reduce spending by replacing the IRS with a much smaller bureaucracy. You need to read the Contract from America website more closely. At the top and bottom of the home page Fair Tax is listed as one of the founding partners. Maybe you should write or email the Contract from America folks telling them not to associate themselves with The Fair Tax because the wording is too long even though hit is far less than the number of words in the more than 67,500 pages in the federal income tax code.
88 posted on 01/05/2011 5:28:21 AM PST by Defend Liberty
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