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Is college athletics a sweatshop?
CNN.com ^ | January 9, 2011 | Bob Greene

Posted on 01/10/2011 6:39:07 AM PST by Celtic Cross

(CNN) -- On Monday night, with millions of fans watching every play, Auburn will take on Oregon for the national championship of college football.

If you're viewing at home, you may notice the same thing you can observe each season at every massive college football stadium or glistening big-time college basketball arena:

Everyone working in the place is being paid: the hot dog vendors, the television broadcasters, the guy peddling game-day programs, the person who manufactured the university-logo jerseys and caps that are for sale at the souvenir stands, the employees changing lightbulbs in the tunnels. ...

Everyone except the people who are most responsible for putting the fans in the seats and in front of the TV screens at home: everyone except the players on the field.

(Yes, most if not all of them are the recipients of university scholarships. We'll get to that in a few moments.)

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: college; scholarships
This makes my blood boil.

"He said that the so-called "free ride"-- the popular term for athletic scholarships -- usually doesn't pay for an athlete's day-to-day living expenses, which some college athletes struggle to meet."

As do all college students, especially those who receive no money from the college because theres not enough left over after the athletes get their free ride.

Nobody is holding a gun to their heads forcing them to play. If they're not pleased with just a full scholarship, they can take their pampered selves someplace else.

1 posted on 01/10/2011 6:39:13 AM PST by Celtic Cross
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To: Celtic Cross
How much does a College education go for these days? $40,000-$50,000?

Sounds like a good way to work your way through school to me. (I know that not all players get scholarships.)

2 posted on 01/10/2011 6:42:26 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Celtic Cross

Between tuition, and room and board, transportation to and from home a couple of times a year; it’s about $30-40,000.

Add great looking women wanting to be with you, it’s not a bad deal for the players.


3 posted on 01/10/2011 6:44:16 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: Celtic Cross

Same here. What little I hear on the local AM stations some evenings right before I flip the station is the worship of college and in some cases HS ball players. Someone wants to play and does well, no problems there but the worship is unreal.


4 posted on 01/10/2011 6:45:57 AM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Celtic Cross
Nobody is holding a gun to their heads forcing them to play. If they're not pleased with just a full scholarship, they can take their pampered selves someplace else.

...and THAT should be the beginning AND the end of the discussion.

5 posted on 01/10/2011 6:47:19 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Celtic Cross

And the kids are not allowed to have jobs or receive outside assistance lest they be corrupted. Well, when the kid’s family is poor as dirt how is the kid supposed to get by?


6 posted on 01/10/2011 6:48:17 AM PST by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: Celtic Cross

“As do all college students, especially those who receive no money from the college because theres not enough left over after the athletes get their free ride. “

You think? Ohio State University got roughly $14 million for their appearance in the Sugar Bowl. That doesn’t count television revenue, ticket sales, and advertising throughout the season. The football team and the basketball team at most division I schools pays for the rest of the sports programs.

Football and basketball are big business at major colleges. The problem is, how do you break that out from everyone else? In the communist view, all must be treated the same. A member of the golf team, or tennis team is to be valued equally to the football team members.

Baloney, if a sport makes BIG money for a school, the athletes should be compensated. Yes, football and basketball players should get a stipend. Golf team, tennis team, volleyball team, sorry about your luck.


7 posted on 01/10/2011 6:49:17 AM PST by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

However,they don’t cover tattoos and gang-banger clothing!


8 posted on 01/10/2011 6:50:40 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: Celtic Cross

Do Democrats sh*t in the woods???????? Yes!


9 posted on 01/10/2011 6:52:13 AM PST by Doc Savage (Stay Thirsty My Friend!!)
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To: Celtic Cross

Almost everyone of these kids who finish their eligibility or graduate, and are not selected to play in the next level—pro—,always end up in very good jobs given to them by influential alumni whether the former athlete is a glorified car salesmen,customer service rep or in marketing.

Alumni give the The former players these jobs as in public relations to sell/market the alumnus businesses.

Capitalism works well if we let it.


10 posted on 01/10/2011 6:53:47 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: WayneS

And it is naive and dripping with resentment.

These kids bring in millions of dollars for their university but are denied the opportunity to make extra money on the side to help get them through. For schools that recruit in poor areas the kids they bring in are not getting any real support from home. What good is a scholarship if the kids are destitute? If the kids are found to be getting perks like free meals from a local restaurant or getting some support from a booster then they lose their eligibility. Meanwhile, Head Coach gets an athletic shoe contract, a radio show, commercials and other $$ slots. A few million a year for the labors of a bunch of young men.

The system sucks....


11 posted on 01/10/2011 6:55:07 AM PST by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: misterrob
"..dripping with resentment"

Feel free to speak for yourself, but do not EVER assign me my thoughts and motives.

12 posted on 01/10/2011 6:57:49 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Celtic Cross

Eliminate athletic scholarships and force these universities to focus on their core mission of educating students for tomorrow’s work needs. Sports team will still be there, however, the particpants will be actual students.


13 posted on 01/10/2011 6:59:06 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Celtic Cross

It’s liberal ideology. Someone else makes money off of your labor. If they didn’t there wouldn’t be a job. I’m still paying off my student loans. Wonder how many student loans the football team has to deal with? It’s class warfare.

As far as the value of an education it varies from school to school. A full ride at Stanford can be worth $250,000. That ain’t working free.


14 posted on 01/10/2011 7:01:16 AM PST by Lost Highway (I don't know what the world may need but a V8 engines a good start for me)
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To: WayneS

shakin in my boots, bud


15 posted on 01/10/2011 7:01:20 AM PST by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: misterrob

Then start a league with your own money and treat them “right”. You’ll obviously run e NCAA out of business.


16 posted on 01/10/2011 7:03:12 AM PST by Lost Highway (I don't know what the world may need but a V8 engines a good start for me)
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To: misterrob

Athletes are allowed to work during the summer months. At Ohio State, football players receive a $1600 a month stipend part of which is for housing. Apartments near OSU go for much less than that, so the rest of the money can be used for other needs (like skin art).


17 posted on 01/10/2011 7:04:12 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Celtic Cross
I coached lower-division college football and now coach High School football. I also have a son now being recruited to play at DI-FBS and DII schools.

In my opinion, unions would kill the smaller/weaker programs and weed out alot opportunities to get good educations for high school athletes.

This is the same reason why I am against a college football playoff for DI-FSC. It would pair down college football to 30-40 teams and greatly reduce the athletic budgets and opportunities for vast numbers of athletes in many sports (college football and men's basketball are the only athletic money-makers for athletic programs and in some cases fund the budgets of all of the other sports at the university) that never will play professional sports.

Articles like this are written from the perspective of the very few elite of the elite that will play at the professional level.

18 posted on 01/10/2011 7:05:12 AM PST by rightsmart
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To: Lost Highway

What a simplistic answer to a problem of corruption


19 posted on 01/10/2011 7:12:34 AM PST by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: Celtic Cross; All
Its just such a crock. Because of the level of athletic ability expected these days, its impossible to do well academically and maintain competency in sports. And a lot of the athletes aren't particularly smart anyway.

College is meant for education, not to be payed for a voluntary sport. My brother attends a private college, 'competitively priced', at $45,000 including room and board! Needless to say, he lives at home, paying 'only' the $32,000 a year tuition. For a respectable but never-heard-of college. He got the biggest scholarship open to home-schoolers, which covers less than half. Meanwhile these nitwits athletes who don't know an book from a blank get a free ride.

20 posted on 01/10/2011 7:16:08 AM PST by Celtic Cross (FREEPING ONE YEAR +2!!!)
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To: Comparative Advantage

I looked at this a bit further and found that the student scholarship athletes can earn up to $2K a year. That isn’t a whole lot when you think about it.


21 posted on 01/10/2011 7:18:55 AM PST by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: brownsfan
The point is, colleges should give scholarship precedence to those who excel ACEDEMICALLY. Isn't that what higher ‘education’ is meant to be about???
22 posted on 01/10/2011 7:19:45 AM PST by Celtic Cross (FREEPING ONE YEAR +2!!!)
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To: brownsfan
Yes, football and basketball players should get a stipend.

I agree. Most come from families with little financial means. The practice and workout schedules are such that they do not have much free time for part-time jobs. Free time would better be used for studying. Part time jobs are under a microscope from the NCAA Gestapo. And the good programs are making millions on them. You better believe, at least at the more successful programs, it is effectively a sweatshop.

My son got recruited some a few years ago. The dirty little secret is that players from poor families usually get the preference on athletic scholarships because they can use Federal government grant money to the student to offset costs to the scholarship funds. That is the REAL reason the disparity is so large in the number of blacks vs. whites on team rosters. I think they would have more because of basic talent levels, but not in such a wide disparity in terms of percentages.

23 posted on 01/10/2011 7:26:37 AM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Celtic Cross

Yes...a sweatshop where virtually every young athlete in America would love a chance to work.

A few of the big-name programs make big bucks on their football programs. Most struggle to get by, and frankly having to pay their athletes outside of scholarship/tutors/etc. would probably just fold up camp.


24 posted on 01/10/2011 7:27:37 AM PST by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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To: Celtic Cross

“The point is, colleges should give scholarship precedence to those who excel ACEDEMICALLY. Isn’t that what higher ‘education’ is meant to be about???”

I have to agree, the system has been deformed. College is about more than book learning. The idea is to produce a graduate with lots of experiences, not just classroom. And that’s why there are sports, clubs, trips, etc.

Major college sports, especially football and basketball have gotten out of hand. My point is, in the system, as it’s currently constituted, players for the money making sports teams should get a stipend beyond their scholarship.


25 posted on 01/10/2011 7:28:12 AM PST by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: Celtic Cross

Go Ducks!!


26 posted on 01/10/2011 7:36:19 AM PST by bray (Support Palin to make heads explode on both sides.)
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To: Celtic Cross
He said that the so-called "free ride"-- the popular term for athletic scholarships -- usually doesn't pay for an athlete's day-to-day living expenses, which some college athletes struggle to meet.

Football for sure and I think Basketball are not allowed to break up their scholarships. A full athletic scholarship covers room and board. No matter how they do that, cutting them a check if they live off campus or giving them a dorm room and meal card they can get all of their necessities other than clothes. That is a pretty good deal on top of the education they are getting. Just because the athlete doesn't think the education is as valuable as their ball handling skills doesn't mean it isn't. The profitability of football and basketball is already overstated it would probably drop to zero with paying the players.
27 posted on 01/10/2011 7:42:36 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: misterrob

I can’t disagree. I didn’t know about the $2K maximum.

Interesting...


28 posted on 01/10/2011 8:20:09 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Celtic Cross

If CNN is so worry about exploitation, why not get rid of Division 1 sports altogether? No scholarships for athletes, and the quality of sport drops to guys working out after going to class, like it was meant to be. Then , if the NBA and NFL want to have a minor league system, they can fund it themselves.


29 posted on 01/10/2011 8:30:23 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Comparative Advantage
Eliminate athletic scholarships and force these universities to focus on their core mission of educating students for tomorrow’s work needs. Sports team will still be there, however, the particpants will be actual students.

I agree. Make every college in the country Division 3 sports; no athletic scholarships, only walk-ons. If the NBA and NFL want to train athletes, let them do it on their own dime. To large extent thats what hockey and baseball do.

30 posted on 01/10/2011 8:36:37 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Celtic Cross
“The point is, colleges should give scholarship precedence to those who excel ACEDEMICALLY. Isn’t that what higher ‘education’ is meant to be about???”

When you get 90,000 people stand out in cold weather and scream their heads off for the math club that generates 10’s of millions for the college let me know.

31 posted on 01/10/2011 9:46:08 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a blessing to live in the Ozarks.)
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To: misterrob

It’s always easy to be generous with someone elses money.


32 posted on 01/10/2011 11:56:11 AM PST by Lost Highway (I don't know what the world may need but a V8 engines a good start for me)
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To: Lost Highway

Raise the limits these men can EARN from having part time jobs outside of the game. Limit their hours so they not only EARN a degree but graduate.

College football is big business yet the ones doing the bulk of the work on Saturdays have limits placed on them. Why did Jeremy Bloom have to give up his endorsements from skiing just so he could play college ball? Nothing capitalistic about this and yet these institutions take in tax payer money be that state tax receipts of Federal money. They don’t pay any property taxes yet they still manage to sponge off the communities in which they operate.


33 posted on 01/10/2011 12:21:08 PM PST by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: Celtic Cross

I didn’t read the full article but a college scholarship is a wonderful thing for those kids!!! My experience is not with football, but with another sport in which the athletes are very well trained and work their asses off, because they love the sport and want to succeed. Being an NCAA athlete is a wonderful thing. It’s nothing to pity. MOST ATHLETES are not on TV like the b-ball and football guys are. They do it for the love of the sport, the thrill of tough competition, and the full or partial scholarship does not hurt.


34 posted on 01/10/2011 12:25:52 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Celtic Cross

Full tuition, room and board. What else is needed? Clothes? Pell grants are rather generous nowadays. Anybody who has tuition, room and board paid can live off a Pell grant. And then there are student loans.

Those poor college athletes. Next they’ll whine about the poor high school athletes that get nothing from anyone.


35 posted on 01/10/2011 12:36:35 PM PST by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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