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Boortz is all over the Birth Cert issue this am (vanity)
Boortz show | 21 Jan 2011 | pilotdave

Posted on 01/21/2011 8:08:39 AM PST by PilotDave

Neil has spent the past 2 segments discussing the gov of HI's failure to produce the long form BC. He actually said there may be something to it??? He still doesn't get that there is more to being a natural born citizen than simply being born in America, but it's a start.


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KEYWORDS: birth; birthcertificate; boortz; certifigate; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; nealboortz; obama; vanity
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If you are elegible to be a citizen of more than one country at birth, then you could have a split loyalty and are not elegible to be president of the United States. Obama had a dual citizenship at birth. US and British. Not qualified. Does anyone really think the founders would have wanted a British citizen to become President? It ain't about where he was born, it's about dual citizenship.
1 posted on 01/21/2011 8:08:43 AM PST by PilotDave
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To: PilotDave

Boortz gets no praise from me for mastering elementary logic after two years of the usurper’s rule.


2 posted on 01/21/2011 8:11:38 AM PST by devere
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To: devere

The “fair” tax is a ripoff of retiree’s who have saved for retirement (double taxation).


3 posted on 01/21/2011 8:13:48 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: PilotDave

He still doesn’t get that there is more to being a natural born citizen than simply being born in America, but it’s a start.
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Presently, there isn’t. Being born here is all it takes. But at the time of obama’s birth, there was a little more to it. The age of the mother, her citizenship status, and her residency history played a part in the determination if the father was not a citizen.


4 posted on 01/21/2011 8:13:59 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: PilotDave
I caught this as well. As strong a believer in the Constitution as Boortz claims to be, I don't understand why he doesn't realize the following (quoting from one of the responses on his website:

"I have no doubts at all that he was physically born in Hawaii. His mother was under the age of majority, and his father was a citizen of Kenya (a colony of Britain). According to British Colonial rule at the time, he's a citizen of the crown. This was before the U.S. immigration rules changed (I think that was '63) to make him an "Anchor Baby". Why hasn't anybody (including Neal) brought this up?"

5 posted on 01/21/2011 8:14:15 AM PST by Marathoner (Repeal the 17th amendment, and the 16th for good measure.)
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To: devere
Boortz gets no praise from me for mastering elementary logic after two years of the usurper’s rule.

Boortz's specialty isn't original ideas. He jumps on bandwagons. He's pretty late on this one but the way he did it is no surprise.

6 posted on 01/21/2011 8:17:05 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: PilotDave

For anyone using iHeart Radio (on iPhone, for example), Boortz is available AMs on 92.5 The Patriot station.


7 posted on 01/21/2011 8:18:45 AM PST by JaguarXKE (Life - It's 10 percent circumstances and 90 percent how you react to circumstances - Sarah Palin)
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To: PilotDave

More than just dual citizenship ... if he was born in Kenya, then he lied by saying he was born in Hawaii.


8 posted on 01/21/2011 8:20:37 AM PST by RLegacy (You say tomato, I say Yuck Fou)
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To: Marathoner

Follow up on my post #3, I’m especially disappointed that more of the talkers (Rush, Sean, and especially TGO Levin) haven’t focused on this. After all, it’s just fidelity to the Constituion we’re talking about.


9 posted on 01/21/2011 8:20:53 AM PST by Marathoner (Repeal the 17th amendment, and the 16th for good measure.)
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To: PilotDave

He waits until after Royal passes to begin discussing this? That’s why I don’t tune into to Boortz’s show.


10 posted on 01/21/2011 8:21:03 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: PilotDave

He doesn’t have Royal Marshal to hold him back on the issue anymore. Sorry, that is insensitive of me, but I say it in honor of Royal. I miss him.


11 posted on 01/21/2011 8:21:54 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (RIP Royal Marshall, you ran the good race.)
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To: PilotDave

Ok, so when did Obama do all this faux paperwork?

Before he ran for Senate?

(sorry, I am out of touch on the BC stuff)


12 posted on 01/21/2011 8:22:11 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Great minds.

I rarely listen to him because he seems to enjoy offending devout Christians.


13 posted on 01/21/2011 8:24:28 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (RIP Royal Marshall, you ran the good race.)
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To: PilotDave

“It ain’t about where he was born, it’s about dual citizenship”. plain and simple and I am so stealing that for my tagline!


14 posted on 01/21/2011 8:25:41 AM PST by freebird5850 (It ain't about where he was born, it's about dual citizenship)
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To: mamelukesabre

“Presently, there isn’t. Being born here is all it takes”

I think you are confusing the standards for citizenship and the job requirements for being President, Natural Born Citizen. The founders discussed the terms citizen, native born and natural born. They chose natural born as the requirement for exactly 1 job. That of POTUS. Natural Born means born of 2 US citizen parents and born on US soil. Of course we need the Supreme Court to rule on this, in terms of POTUS.


15 posted on 01/21/2011 8:25:46 AM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: roses of sharon

lol, that’s part of the point. There doesn’t seem to be any paper work. Their was a faked Certificate of Live Birth (not a Birth Certificate) that was put out on the web, but Hawaii refuses to say those are legitimate.

Mr. Transparency has been everything but transparent.


16 posted on 01/21/2011 8:26:45 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (RIP Royal Marshall, you ran the good race.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Chester Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage. President Arthur’s father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843. But Chester Arthur was born in 1829. Therefore, he was a British Citizen by descent, and a dual citizen at birth, if not his whole life. He wasn’t a “natural born citizen” and he knew it.

How ironic that the allegations started by Arthur Hinman in his pamphlet entitled, “How A British Subject Became President”, have turned out to be true…but not for the reason Hinman suggested.

Hinman alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland or Canada as a British subject. It was bunk. It’s been definitively established that Chester Arthur was born in Vermont. But Hinman turns out to be correct anyway since Chester Arthur was a British citizen/subject by virtue of his father not having naturalized as a United States citizen until Chester Arthur was almost 14 years old.

That means Chester Arthur was a British subject at the time of his birth.

17 posted on 01/21/2011 8:27:01 AM PST by kabar
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To: PilotDave

no, natural born applies to much more than POTUSA


18 posted on 01/21/2011 8:31:05 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

“Presently, there isn’t. Being born here is all it takes. But at the time of obama’s birth, there was a little more to it. The age of the mother, her citizenship status, and her residency history played a part in the determination if the father was not a citizen.”

Actually being born here is not all it takes. There are at least 4 different definitions of “citizen” in the US. Born in the US makes you a “born citizen” or a “native citizen” not a “natural born citizen” 4 Supreme Court Cases have defined “Natural Born” as born in the US of 2 US citizen parents. President Chester A. Arthur was not a natural born citizen and he lied about his family history to cover it up and later burned most of his papers. His father was born in Ireland and did not become naturalized until after Arthur was born.

This issue should have been discussed and resolved during th 2008 campaign. Instead it was allowed to be covered up and now we have a person sitting in the Whitehouse who is not eligible to be President and who has known all along he is not eligible and has more than likely committed fraud to cover it up.

The Democratic Party of Hawaii refused to put Obama’s name on the Hawaii ballot due to ineligibility in 2008. Nancy Pelosi then perjured herself and sent a nomination letter to the Supervisor of Elections in HI stating that Barack Obama was eligible to be on the ballot under the Constitution of the USA. He then arbitraily decided to place Obama’s name on the ballot using a Hawaii statute that allows the Elections Supervisor to make a decison if there are 2 competing opinions of a candidate’s eligibility. Nancy Pelosi then send a different letter to the other 49 states omitting the part about being elibible under the Constitution.


19 posted on 01/21/2011 8:31:07 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
I rarely listen to him because he seems to enjoy offending devout Christians.

I have the same problem with him as well, esp. on the issue of abortion. It's a shame, as he's really good on most other issues, esp. government schools.

This specific NBC issue really upsets me though, even more than all the Marxist crap that's happened the past 2 years, since IMHO it's just blatant disregard for the Constitutional qualifications for the office of President.

20 posted on 01/21/2011 8:33:05 AM PST by Marathoner (Repeal the 17th amendment, and the 16th for good measure.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The supreme court has altered the definition of “natural born” many times since the constitution was ratified.


21 posted on 01/21/2011 8:33:36 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: freebird5850

“I am so stealing that for my tagline!”

I’m honored my Friend. It really is just that simple. And Obama has admitted that he held dual Citizenship until he was 21. Still amazes me everyday that we are where we are in this day and age.


22 posted on 01/21/2011 8:34:53 AM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Yea, I remember that during the campaign.

But what did he do to shore up his credentials before he ran for US Senator?

Candidates don't have to present their “raised seal” BC?

When he was a State Senator didn't he travel overseas? Because to get a passport the gov wants the raised seal, right?

23 posted on 01/21/2011 8:37:20 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: PilotDave
Obama had a dual citizenship at birth. US and British. Not qualified.

True enough.

Now take that fact, march up to the White House and chuck him out.

Won't work, will it?

24 posted on 01/21/2011 8:37:24 AM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
He's pretty late on this one

He's so late that the dust has settled from the bandwagon and since been washed down the gutter and is on it's way to the gulf of Mexico.

I wonder if anyone else will pick it up?

25 posted on 01/21/2011 8:38:14 AM PST by listenhillary (20 years in Reverend Wright's church is all I need to determine the "content of his character")
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To: devere
This is the same Boortz who trashed the idea of tea parties until he realized it might be a good venue to flog copies of his Fair Tax book.

Boortz always has been a pro-abort douchebag. Maybe he just doesn't have the energy today to mount a defense for Dr. Gosnell.

26 posted on 01/21/2011 8:39:26 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: PilotDave
"Natural Born means born of 2 US citizen parents and born on US soil."

No, that is not what it means. There is no legal basis for that claim, and you won't find anywhere the founders said that.

27 posted on 01/21/2011 8:41:04 AM PST by mlo
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To: PilotDave

He was NOT eligible to be a British Citizen.

I repeat..for the unknown amount of times...he was NOT eligible to be a British citizen.

Dad was already married.
The marriage was void ab initio.
Dad could not confer British citizen if born in the US.

All one needs to do is read the actual law in Britain in effect at the time to figure this out.


28 posted on 01/21/2011 8:42:19 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"There are at least 4 different definitions of “citizen” in the US."

No, there is only one definition of "citizen". There are just different ways to become one. By specifying a "natural born citizen" the founders were simply requiring that the President had to gain his citizenship by birth. Not acquire it later by naturalization. He couldn't be an immigrant.

"4 Supreme Court Cases have defined “Natural Born” as born in the US of 2 US citizen parents."

Nope. Not even one has. Those are just birther fables written by people who can't seem to understand the words they read.

29 posted on 01/21/2011 8:46:58 AM PST by mlo
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To: Paladin2
You are COMPLETELY full of that which emits from the south end of a north bound bull!

FairTax would be the greatest single step toward regaining our Republic since the war between the states!

F R E E D O M ! ! !

30 posted on 01/21/2011 8:48:21 AM PST by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: Bigun

dunham said he was born in Kalipolani hospital, and there is NO record, NO birth certificate? Dunham lies, peoples dies.


31 posted on 01/21/2011 8:52:05 AM PST by biggredd1
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To: Paladin2
You are COMPLETELY full of that which emits from the south end of a north bound bull!

Enactment of the FairTax would be the greatest single step toward regaining our Republic since the war between the states!

F R E E D O M ! ! !

32 posted on 01/21/2011 8:52:09 AM PST by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: mlo

33 posted on 01/21/2011 8:55:39 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Bigun

Not for me. The FT seems to be a cult thing.


34 posted on 01/21/2011 8:58:20 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Bigun
"You are COMPLETELY full of that which emits from the south end of a north bound bull!"

Now there is a winning argument - apparently from the Mark Levin school of public airwave argumentation. "Get off the thread ya big dope!" LOL

35 posted on 01/21/2011 9:02:28 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: listenhillary

36 posted on 01/21/2011 9:02:44 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: devere
I wouldn't be surprised to see this pursued more aggressively now that Nancy Pelosi isn't third in line anymore.
37 posted on 01/21/2011 9:03:11 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: Paladin2
"Not for me. The FT seems to be a cult thing."

I agree...the first time I ever heard Hannity's "Good Buddy Boortz" explain the "pre-bate" program, it was obvious that the bureacracy needed to administer the monthly checks would dwarf the IRS, to say nothing of how susceptible to fraud the whole thing would be.

38 posted on 01/21/2011 9:04:43 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Paladin2

Not on your life you JERK!


39 posted on 01/21/2011 9:09:23 AM PST by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: RummyChick

Dad was already married.
The marriage was void ab initio.
Dad could not confer British citizen if born in the US.


Then he has committed fraud with his COLB(s)that were plastered all over the internet listing his legal name as BHO II and father as BHO.


40 posted on 01/21/2011 9:10:02 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: PilotDave

Now Rush is leading off with the story...


41 posted on 01/21/2011 9:12:05 AM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: Paladin2

Ignorance is fixable but stupid you are just stuck with!


42 posted on 01/21/2011 9:12:17 AM PST by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Wouldn’t that pic’s reference lead one to conclude that it’s “W”’s fault?


43 posted on 01/21/2011 9:12:55 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Bigun
"Get off the thread ya big Dope"

I believe that the last ad hominem "argument" wins. Doesn't it?

44 posted on 01/21/2011 9:14:07 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: PilotDave

Rush Limbaugh is all over this now on his show ... he is talking about Abercommie.


45 posted on 01/21/2011 9:14:51 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Joe 6-pack
t was obvious that the bureacracy needed to administer the monthly checks would dwarf the IRS.

We would need a new bureaucracy to write checks? What happened to the old bureaucracies?

46 posted on 01/21/2011 9:16:20 AM PST by listenhillary (20 years in Reverend Wright's church is all I need to determine the "content of his character")
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To: FreeAtlanta

I rarely listen to him because he seems to enjoy offending devout Christians.

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What do you expect from a pro-abort with a chip on his shoulder?


47 posted on 01/21/2011 9:16:25 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Georgia Girl 2; mamelukesabre

The Democratic Party of Hawaii refused to put Obama’s name on the Hawaii ballot due to ineligibility in 2008. Nancy Pelosi then perjured herself and sent a nomination letter to the Supervisor of Elections in HI stating that Barack Obama was eligible to be on the ballot under the Constitution of the USA. He then arbitraily decided to place Obama’s name on the ballot using a Hawaii statute that allows the Elections Supervisor to make a decison if there are 2 competing opinions of a candidate’s eligibility. Nancy Pelosi then send a different letter to the other 49 states omitting the part about being elibible under the Constitution.


Fraud in Hawaii to be exposed. See how these two stories tie together if you will...

New analysis of Democrat Party’s official 2008 Certification of Nominations for Obama reveals that reasons for his sudden trip to Hawaii in October, 2008 were to visit more than just his sick grandmother. Hawaiian election laws, media accounts and post-dated documents reveal he may have attended a private hearing with the Hawaiian Chief Elections Officer regarding his disqualification from the Hawaiian ballot due to lack of certified Constitutional eligibility.

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/

Many question why officials in Hawaii would lie to cover for Obama...

Obama X marks the spot

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2011/01/obama-x-marks-spot.html


48 posted on 01/21/2011 9:16:46 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: PilotDave

Rush is also discussing it now.


49 posted on 01/21/2011 9:16:46 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: listenhillary

We would need a new bureaucracy to write checks? What happened to the old bureaucracies?


What is old is new...”same as the old boss” (The Who).


50 posted on 01/21/2011 9:18:08 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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