Skip to comments.I'm tired of hearing some people, even from FR say that we need to "rise above the fray"!
Posted on 01/22/2011 10:24:53 AM PST by Bigtigermike
I'm sick and tire some on our side buying into the myth that if we just "rise above the fray" from attacks that are scurrilous and baseless that we will somehow win the arguments against us! That's pure bull!
We are playing right into the hands of the MSM and liberals when we act civil and honorable "according to their rules of acting civil and honorable" which is to shut up and sit down about conservatism and not fight back. The only kind of people that the left and MSM consider honorable are people like Bob Dole and John McCain both of whom lost by not fighting.
Speaking of McCain, notice how 'civil' he was in 2008 "[Senator Obama] is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States,". There's a difference between rhetoric and record, but you can still be respectful," McCain said to one questioner. "I will point out his record and I will do it with respect."
Did Obama act respectful and civil? Linking President Bush and Senator John McCain as partners in the failed policies of the past seven years and criticizing them for hypocrisy, fear peddling, fear mongering.? "They're going to try to make you afraid of me. They're going to say you know what, "He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. Did I mention he's black?"
The MSM called McCain's rallies vitriolic and tinged with racism and hateful but said that Obama has run a clean, non-slanderous campaign and deserves respect. He is the one that wishes to address the issues and look how wonderful Obama is, he will help heal the nation.!!!
What happened in 2008 is almost happening in 2011 with the attacks on Sarah over the Tucson attacks; Barack Obama stood back for days and let his supporters in the media and left rip Palin apart, only then to proclaim that we don't really know what happened in Tuscon and let the media narrative was how wonderful Obama is!
But this time Sarah fought back after a few days and only had a few choice towards the media, and the left and media STILL ATTACKED HER OVER IT'!
If all the others here or pundits like Dick Morris or even FOX NEWS are gonna sit around and watch this happen and say "don't do nothing" or be tepid in a response at best then they need a brain analysis. If Conservatives cannot defend themselves over these baseless, libelous charges then they got no business running. period!
You are just plain wrong on many levels.
Conservatives and Christians need to be out there overturning tables and shouting at people that they're "doing it wrong".
The Dr. Phil Show’s sponsors should be boycotted.
A few days ago, Dr. Phil played what he said was an excerpt of the Tucson shooter’s YouTube video, but the only line cut from the video was where Jared uttered “these two illegal wars.”
Now, what side of the political aisle would use the term “two illegal wars?”
The shooter is a leftist, but yet 75% of the country is still believing he is tea party or GOP, just believe the media lies.
try being an Atlanta Falcons fan. Their theme is ‘Rise up’
I tend to come more from the opinion of smile sweetly as you stick the knife in their eye.
No quarter to liberals. Ever.
Jesus did the same without crude and abusive language. As a Christian, I'd suggest you try that model.
Just speak the truth. Shine the spotlight of truth on the RATs and they scurry into hiding.
Are you accusing me of using crude and abusive language? How so?
Attack form above. They won’t see it coming.
It could be WHO DAT!
she fought back in a very reasonable, calm manner, stating the facts.
If this is too much then we lose again!
I think it has to be MADE CLEAR that attacks will be answered, and too bad what Washington would have done. Who knows, anyway?
He WAS a warrior, after all...
It’s called righteous indignation....the keyword being “righteous”. If you’re in the right, it’s ok to show your anger at the wrongs being done.
Of course, the leftists all think they are in the right and never, ever question the possibility that they might be 100% wrong.
And yes...the leftists wish we would all just ‘turn the other cheek’ as was mentioned last week. I think not.
Amen brother! Now is not the time to sit back and take it. We need to bring a gun to the knife fight (I’m allowed to say that since our barry did).
I couldn’t agree more. The “New Tone” is a ticket to oblivion for conservatism.
It’s not time to sit down, shut up, and go to the “back of the bus.”
Wimps, weenies and hand-wringing weaklings are going to be the death of the Republican party.
Exactly!! Time for us to start overturning those evil tables.
No, I'm not doing any such thing. It is clear, however, that many who post on FR or engage in political conversations resort very quickly to vulgar and abusive language. I just want to remind people that little exchange of ideas occur that way, and nobody yields in an argument to verbal duress. Fostering hard feelings will not solve the woes faced by our Nation. So, I agree with the original poster just as long as he intends to "push back" with skillful use of language.
Interesting that you did not name a single level he was wrong on.
please go into detail.
I don’t have a problem at all defending ourselves. In fact we should defend ourselves and not sit idly by and allow it to go on. I do however have a problem with using the same tactics they use. It’s unnecessary and all you end up doing is getting dirty with them. Like boxing, let your opponent get all riled up, then when they have gotten all spun up and flailing about, you let them have it. And keep it as simple as possible. If you do this long drawn out explanation, or you start shouting, name calling ect, you’ve lost, they aren’t listening and neither is anyone else.
Jesus wasn’t being abusive when he called the Pharisees serpents, whitewashed sepulchers and den of vipers? He was being civil when He fashioned a whip and drove the money lenders from His Father’s house?!
Bet you can't back that up with examples.
I just went back and reread the comment. Where on earth do you see "crude and abusive language" in his post?
Shouldn’t one be providing tactical air support if one is above the fray?
Old School "civility" and "inciteful rhetoric."
There's no school like the Old School.
I think that is exactly the way. After all, how else can you nuke the freaks from space?
We’ve been “rising above the fray” ever since Reagan left office, and look where it’s gotten us! It’s time to fight back (verbally) hard, fast, and relentless. We also need to go on the offensive. Let’s start by pointing out some of the real world tragedies being caused by these libtard policies. Ignore the MSM - go around them.
Bob Dole and Juan McCain got the media’s stamp of approval because they are RINOs. Dole just campaigned for Obamacare. McCain wants UN control of energy, unlimited immigration, etc. Maybe their being “nice” helped with the media, or maybe the media just helped them look “nice”.
Absolutely! Voicing this eloquently and without abusive language and angry intonations will be more effective. It is very important to give voice to dissent. It is equally important to do so in a civil manner.
I suggest all here go read the Founders' works concerning selef governance and the qualities that should be expect of those People who do self govern. We have definately lost the knack of polite discourse. We behave like ruffians rather than gentlemen.
Not every one recognizes our nation is dealing with two opposite political forces, only one of which is consistent with the Constitution.
As I have posted elsewhere:
Not every decent, God-fearing gentleman (Boehner) is capable of prevailing in a street fight, especially a fight waged by the likes of the present crowd. The Socialists and the Republicans are in a struggle for control of our nation, and it appears only the Socialists fully understand that.
I am making general reference to what people of today mistake for polital discourse: Foul and abusive language. The author did not qualify how to push back, except to scoff at taking the higher ground. I am assuming that taking the lower ground like our adversaries includes the abusive behaviour. That implication seem clear to me.
I take issue with abusive and insulting discourse.
The Left seems to have abandoned their frontal lobes for pure limbic responses. No rational thought, no empirical reasoning, no logic...just angry emotion.
The only arrow in their quiver is character assassination. And that is the fray we must remain above.
Let them scream their insults and obloguy...is that the level to which we want to sink.
We think...they stink (oops, I think I just sank to their level).
No, I'm not doing any such thing.
You need to go back and read your post. It was CERTAINLY an accusation against ClearCase-guy. If you are the "Christian" you claim to be, you will apologize to CCG for such a false accusation.
'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.' ....which is what you did.
In this case Sarah wasn’t playing dirty - she waited after a few days and facts became available and responded in a “presidential way” and talked about the victims and American Exceptionalism and Political Discourse and yet she was still accused of being wrong’’.....it didn’t matter what she said she was going to be criticized anyway because the MSM isn’t noble it wants Obama reelected a
IMHO there is little to be gained by typing in all caps or boldfacing a post. People on FR are the choir, and there's only so much to be gained by preaching to the choir.
The question is, what is to be done? IMHO we should sue. Never mind that Sarah (et. al.) is a "public figure," sue on the basis of willful, unambiguous disregard for the truth. Sue on the basis that the Associated Press is a monopoly (SCOTUS already ruled that, back in 1945).
I agree we need to respond, and respond incisively, but response has to be done in a way that doesn’t play into the hands of the left. Even after the multiple broadsides launched from the left, aided by the MSM, trying to pin the Tuscon shooting on the right, for the majority of people it didn’t stick.
We need to speak softly and carry a big stick. That stick is truth and perseverance. If we are ‘surgical’ in our responses, and truthful and incisive, we will come out on top.
Calling someone a serpent is a Biblical metaphore. That is a long way from I hear people say to each other these days. Jesus didn't use ANY of the phrases that are in common use today.
Civility is one thing; timidity is another. Too many people on the right spend half their time apologizing for themselves and trying to disassociate themselves from other people on the right. You don't see the lefties wasting their energy like that.
When your country and everything patriots have handed down to you are being taken away, you have a right and a duty to shout. The other side has the media, government and the academy in their corner already. They can afford to talk softly (although they usually don't), because everything they say comes booming through the echo chamber of the establishment. We don't have that luxury.
They want us to shut up because we're starting to be heard. Why should we fall for that?
We need to go on offense BEFORE they attack, make THEM respond...Like Glenn Beck does practically every day.
They have attack machines we only have responses.
Surprise attacks take them off their game and put THEM on the defensive.
Oh, I surely can. Look for posts between yukon and those with whom he spars.
It’s like saying we can overcome AIDS by ignoring it.
Leftists are more deadly than all the diseases, wars, and natural disasters in all of human history combined.
We need to annihilate them all or there is no chance for continued survival.
Now go read all of my posts again. I did not accuse him of any such thing.
George Washington was a good man but he left a lot to be desired as a President. He relied far too much on Alexander Hamilton who believed that only rich intellectuals should be involved in Govt.
Many forget that the HLSA before the shooter was even booked claimed that some “right-Wing” website was responsible for the shootings. That claim stood for at least 3 days. As the information that became known indicated the site had NOTHING to do with the beliefs of the shooter.
When the Government makes an assertion on absolutely NO evidence. And then QUIETLY, removes the assertion. What would you call that. CLEARLY A PROPAGANDA TACTIC TO GET THE RADICAL LEFTIES ALL WORKED UP. Hence the msm felt embolden to blame anyone and everyone the RABID Lefties find objectionable. (Palin, Rush,Beck etc etc)
To allow the type of accusations to go unchallenged is suicide. They MUST be refuted. To long have Conservs,Repubs, and even some Tea Party members sat back while being called vicious names. The Tea Party has fought back successfully. And due to Palin, Beck,Rush leading the charge, the Rabid Lefts campaign was shown for what it is and stopped. (for now)
Turning the other cheek, only gets a kick in the groin.
You have beared false witness against thy neighbor and need to apologize and ask forgivness.
Until then you will be disregarded.
That was uncalled for.
But self-governance needs to start with knocking people off of welfare and/or disability, if they’ve gotten better since being awarded disability.
If you’re under 45 and have been on disability (especially a non-physical disability such as bi-polar) for more than 7 years, you should be forced to have a face-to-face review done and your benefits potentially cut in half or cut totally.
I have talked to countless people who are under 45 and have been on disability for 7 years or more who now claim, due to modern medications, they would be able to work, but that it’s just easier to sit back and collect a check each month.
Also, how many times have we seen specials on 20/20 or Dateline where somebody is collecting disability and hopping in and out of sports cars, when they’re supposed to be crippled?
Entitlements are killing us but nobody in Washington has the balls to say it.
Since the conservative voices are constantly being attacked and lied about, they have to play the game and find key words, issues, and people who can appeal to the 80% who are too dumb or lazy to even listen to the news.
The economy is issue number one. That is all that most people can related to. Sometimes I think we could attract more voters if we advertised like a beer commercial.
That’s not really going to make any difference. We can’t appeal to them or change them. Leftists are not human, they are worthless pieces of filth who need to be made physically nonexistent asap.
Truth, compassion, courage, integrity, and even love have absolutely no effect on those who love cruelty, self, destruction, and envy above all else.
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