Posted on 02/13/2011 3:34:00 PM PST by NoLibZone
Thanks for posting that. It was very helpful.
So? A father being foreigner doesn’t negate a mother’s US citizenship and the rights of the child to be a US citizen. Where did you get the idea that it did?
If there are no records, then how can anyone ever prove that 0bama held American citizenship?
bfl
Makes sense.
A lot of people misunderstand the concept of naturalization.
But the true test is what had been written in the federalist papers. They discussed the ability of nationality to be conferred from father to son.
You have to read it thoroughly but clearly, it is explained, step by step, that only a child born of parents of American citizens can be natural born. It is done in a backward way discussing British nationality. Which confuses people.
If there are no records, then how can anyone ever prove that 0bama held American citizenship?
House Majority Leader Eric I. Cantor, Virginia Republican, said Sunday he thinks President Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen and that questions on the issue have no place in Capitol Hill policy-making discussions.
“I don’t think it’s an issue that we need to address at all,” he said on NBC‘s “Meet the Press.” “It is not an issue that even needs to be on the policy-making table right now whatsoever.”
Not that I'm aware of.
But then, *I* don't have any evidence that I had a US passport in '81 either, though I certainly did.
>That’s an assertion that does not have the weight of a Supreme Court decision behind it. Most scholars believe that the 14th Amendment renders the argument moot and anyone born on U.S. soil would become a natural born citizen.<
No actually most federal judges believe that the assertion that to be natural born, the place of birth is not as important as the parents that you are born to.
This was even proven by a former federal judge and senator, (which by the way Obama agreed with) during the senate confirmation of John McCain.
They agreed that the only requirement that they really knew of was that the child must be born to “American Citizens”
I don’t know of any real constitutional experts who differ on this matter.
What they do agree upon is that anyone born on American soil, no matter what the parentage is that the person is a “Native born”.
even on Obama’s own web site of fight the smears he claims to be a “Native born” .. which is Not the same as “Natural born”
See: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
It is a play on words that is often mistaken and Obama has taken advantage of it.
We still have the school record from Indonesia and NO DOCUMENT from Obama to dispute it.
>Lolo Soetoro was an Indonesian citizen.<
Thank you. I was unsure. So the bottom line is no matter where he was born, he is not a Natural Born Citizen. He could have been born on the white house lawn and it wouldn’t matter.
So if his true father was Sotoro or Obama he does not meet the constitutional requirement as a Natural Born Citizen, perhaps Native Born, But Not Natural Born.
You could however contact the state department and get evidence such as how a FOIA request found evidence related to Obama's mama's passports (except prior to 1965).
The best available evidence says Obama was an Indonesia citizen after 1968 (about the time Stanley Ann took Soebarkah off her own passport) and nothing shows otherwise until Obama became president.
You could however contact the state department and get evidence such as how a FOIA request found evidence related to Obama’s mama’s passports (except prior to 1965).
The best available evidence says Obama was an Indonesia citizen after 1968 (about the time Stanley Ann took Soebarkah off her own passport) and nothing shows otherwise until Obama became president.
At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
This is one of FR’s strong suits—that we have people like you who read the Federalist Papers, understand them, and take them seriously. I learn so much on this site. The intent of the Founders is clear: they wanted an American born and bred to occupy the highest office of the land. Until Obama, this wasn’t much in dispute. Now his apologists claim any foreign national can find an underage American and spawn a child that fulfills the Constitutional requirements. PC has brought us to a very bad place.
We still have the school record from Indonesia and NO DOCUMENT from Obama to dispute it.
They haven't been interested in ANY evidence as you are aware since they choose to hide behind legal standing or other procedural hurdles. The courts have been particularly mature on this issue either.
I don't know this to be true or not. Do you have links to the filings in all 12 cases?? IIUC, not all these cases named Obama directly. Some involves either Secretaries of State or elections officials in particular states. And what's your point. None of this changes the fact that Obama still has no evidence to show that he didn't remain an Indonesian citizen up through adulthood?? Are Obama's lawyers supposed to file something they don't have??
I don’t know this to be true or not. Do you have links to the filings in all 12 cases?? IIUC, not all these cases named Obama directly. Some involves either Secretaries of State or elections officials in particular states. And what’s your point. None of this changes the fact that Obama still has no evidence to show that he didn’t remain an Indonesian citizen up through adulthood?? Are Obama’s lawyers supposed to file something they don’t have??
My point is that Obama hasn’t needed any evidence. When any Supreme Court Justice is considering granting “cert” they request (which means order)the appellee to file a response to what the appellants are charging. Thus far, no Justice has requested a response to an Obama-related eligibility appeal at the Supreme Court.
Once again, you spell the facts of the case out with such clarity and obviousness, it’s impossible to argue. It makes perfect sense; thank you.
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