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The Conservative's Case for Mitch Daniels (Hear Me Out - Long)
Me | 2/16/2011 | Me

Posted on 02/16/2011 8:46:31 PM PST by cartervt2k

I don't post here every day, but I do often enough that you to page through the archives and check my conservative bonafides. I am staunchly pro-life, pro-gun (own an AK-47, Glock .45 and a Ruger 9mm), anti-climate religion, anti-gay marriage, anti-VAT, and anti-Obamacare. I listen to Rush occasionally. I listen to John Gibson in the afternoons, Levin every night. I live in reddish-purple Virginia, in Jim Moron's district, specifically. I know a lot of Obama voters - some of them leftist automatons, some of them squishy Independents.

The conventional wisdom among conservatives on here and other blogs is to always elect the most conservative candidate - period. They say the reason we lost in 2008 was because we ran McLame on the top of the ticket, and had we run a real conservative, we would have won. This theory is mostly false.

The reason we lost in 2008 was because all the organs of the democrat machine were able to define McLame as a clueless establishment geezer and Palin as a ditz. Neither of them were able to shake these caricatures and often times made them worse. Obama had enough baggage with his associations with terrorists and racist ministers that the election was competitive until the bottom fell out of the economy. They were then able to successfully (however falsely) pin it on Republicans, and it carried them to victory.

The fact of the matter is, if you can define yourself and your opponent, you will win the race. We beat Kerry in 2004 with devastating video of him lying about Vietnam, betraying his unit and flip-flopping on his record. Rove further rallied the base with worries about proliferation of gay marriage, and Bush got more votes than any other president in history. While you may think we should go back to the gay marriage well, I would submit to you that with 9-17% unemployment or underemployment and the FACT public opinion has softened on gay marriage, this is not the trump card it once was. In fact, social issues specifically will not carry a candidate from either party to a presidential victory - especially in this economic climate.

I look at Obama, presiding over the worst economy, job market and housing market in a generation, and he somehow has around a 50% approval rating. This is as stupefying as it is disappointing. Then, I look at the field of candidates and really start to think this is going to be an uphill slog. Obama is damaged but still has the upper hand with his incumbency. Those of you pointing me to last year's elections, I would refer you to NV, CO, DE, CA, CT, and WA (the last 4 for reasons you might not expect).

Case study 1: Nevada. If you think beating Obama is going to be a slam dunk, here you have the most despised member of the senate pulling out a last minute victory with the sheer brute force of his bank and ground game. In fairness, I'm not sure Sue Lowden would have won, but I am certain it would have been closer. Angle or Lowden would have received the similar tons of money from groups looking to unseat Reid, but Sharron was not a polished candidate and stuck her foot in her mouth too many times ("2nd amendment solutions", etc.).

Case study 2: Colorado. Here we have another purple state with the wind at our backs and blew it. Buck is a smart guy and articulate, but he walked right into the gay marriage trap down the stretch, comparing homosexuality to alcoholism on Meet the Press. He never recovered. Even though I do think homosexuality is an identity disorder, if you're trying to get elected, shut up about it and keep hammering away on fiscal issues. You can get away with that in Alabama - not Colorado.

Case study 3: Delaware. I hate Castle, so this was the least significant for me. He was basically the 2010 version of Dede Scozzafava and glad we don't have to defend him in the senate. However, it hurt us from the standpoint in that it allowed the DSCC to mostly ignore the race, where Castle would have forced them to spend more money there (a point I'll get back to a lot).

Case study 4: California and Connecticut. Carly was the best we could have ever done there and had a lot of money. Linda may not have been the best candidate in CT, but she is also extremely wealthy. Both of them pulled a LOT of DSCC resources away from other states and really helped us, even in defeat (stop me if you see a pattern here).

Case study 5: Washington. Dino isn't uber wealthy like the last 2, but he is an extremely polished, solid candidate and forced the DSCC to spend a lot of money there.

Here's the thing: believe me if I tell you I could bring back Barry Goldwater from the dead and install him in the White House without having to worry about losing an election, I would. But I recognize we cannot win without a plurality of Independent squishes. This is just a fact. It is also a fact that conservatism will suffer more with the re-election of Obama than any Republican in the mix right now. We can win with 100% orthodox conservatives, but they MUST be able to connect with independents in a way so that they feel comfortable voting for them, even if the sources of their comfort are for superficial reasons. I felt like Pence could have been that guy, but he's running for IN governor. There's really no one else like him left right now.

If I were Obama, of the names being mentioned, I would fear Daniels the most. How could they label him? He's a competent, accomplished, books-balancing, budget-slashing, Harley riding, ivy league educated state executive. They would be unable to easily label him a racist (hello Mississippi Barbour), an idiot (hello Palin), a hypocrite (hello Romneycare), or a Bible beater (hello Huckabee). What are they going to attack him for - his height? Having once worked for Bush? If that's the worst he's got in the way of baggage, he's in good shape. If he put Christie on the ticket with him (a true RINO to be sure, but a star with gravitas nonetheless), Obama would have to go and dump money into NEW JERSEY. The midwest would be an electoral killing field from PA to WI. There would only be a few states Obama wouldn't have to defend. I think we'd have a similar shot with T-Paw, but he hasn't really impressed me in one-on-one interviews.

Back to the social issues, all I want out of our next president is to reinstate the Mexico City Policy and to elevate as many Scalias to the bench as possible - bonus if he can defund Planned Parenthood. Ginsburg is probably going to expire pretty soon, and Kennedy is wanting to step down soon. Do you want to risk their seats with a candidate likely to lose?

I'd be interested to hear your feedback of why you think I'm right or why you think I'm wrong. I'm on your team, so let's keep it civil.


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1 posted on 02/16/2011 8:46:39 PM PST by cartervt2k
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To: cartervt2k

That’s an excellent post.
One question: Why do you think Kennedy wants to step down?


2 posted on 02/16/2011 8:53:56 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: cartervt2k

mitch daniel is an idiot though


3 posted on 02/16/2011 8:55:31 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: cartervt2k

I am interested in Daniels. Please give me your opinion on his record on the issues of guns,spending,taxes,abortion,immigration,global warming.etc..


4 posted on 02/16/2011 8:56:49 PM PST by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: cartervt2k
The reason we lost in 2008 was because all the organs of the democrat machine were able to define McLame as a clueless establishment geezer....

He did that all by himself. He started to get some traction with the Rev. Wright coverage and Obama's "spread the wealth around" gaffe. The nomination of Palin brought enthusiasm. He totally killed it all when he said Obama was a good man and we didn't have to fear him as president.

5 posted on 02/16/2011 8:56:49 PM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: cartervt2k

I want a conservative who knows what to talk about and when to do it.
I also want to win.
I think we can have it all with the right candidate. We can’t afford to get this one wrong.
That much I know.


6 posted on 02/16/2011 8:56:53 PM PST by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: cartervt2k

“Carly was the best we could have ever done there and had a lot of money”

No she wasn’t. She had no record to encourage conservatives to support her. She suffered from having to run along with the hideous opportunist Meg. And there are plenty of Hewlett Packard alumni in California who despise her. Carly was just one more in a long series of colorless moderates that the GOP decides to run for state office, only to lose.


7 posted on 02/16/2011 8:57:37 PM PST by Pelham (Off With Their Heads- a Religion of Peace thought for today)
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To: Lancey Howard

He said he was going to retire sometime after 2012, according to one of his friends. Google it and you’ll find the articles. I take that to mean he wasn’t thrilled with Obama’s appointments, but who’s to say he wouldn’t let Obama appoint his successor if the replacement has to go through a Republican majority senate?


8 posted on 02/16/2011 8:57:50 PM PST by cartervt2k (...and they cling to their abortions and their global warming religion)
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To: Pelham

Carly was running in CA and had the most most money. CA is a lost cause - but she kept it as close as was possible.


9 posted on 02/16/2011 8:59:25 PM PST by cartervt2k (...and they cling to their abortions and their global warming religion)
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To: cartervt2k

I just cant picture Daniels effectively campaigning. I am a political wonk and get bored after a couple minutes. The presidential race demands charisma.


10 posted on 02/16/2011 9:00:42 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: cartervt2k
By the way, you didn't mention DeMint. I happen to believe he will get into the race, and he is my favorite (potential) candidate at this early juncture.

One more question: Why do you believe the scumbags have successfully caricatured Palin as "an idiot"? As far as I can tell, the scumbag Democrats and their newsrooms have succeeded only in convincing themselves that Palin is an idiot, and they are smugly patting themselves on the back for how clever they are. I believe that normal America will embrace Palin once she begins to campaign in earnest.

Do you think Palin is an idiot?

11 posted on 02/16/2011 9:01:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: cartervt2k
Daniels has avoided, leading on Indiana's Arizona-style antil illegal immigration bill, that's currently in the Indiana state legislature.

Mitch Daniels Faces Tea Party Heat

12 posted on 02/16/2011 9:04:55 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: edpc
He totally killed it all when he said Obama was a good man and we didn't have to fear him as president.

McCain also said that he wanted to lose "honorably".
That's real good, John. What a moron.

13 posted on 02/16/2011 9:05:32 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: cartervt2k

You could have just said the Tea Party is screwed up because it wants social and economic conservatives.


14 posted on 02/16/2011 9:05:51 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: cornfedcowboy

He’s solid down the line on all. On taxes, he’s raised some taxes but lowered others. They have the lowest property taxes in the country - cappped at 1%. He once entertained the idea of a VAT (worrying), but he wants to make taxes flatter for all. I don’t think (hope) he would give the keys to the VAT car for future democrat majorities without some constitutional safety mechanisms.

He has a very solid pro-life record, despite his truce comments (which will be like candy to independent voters, by the way). He has said he will reinstate the Mexico city policy. He is anti-cap and trade, saying he’s an “agnostic” on climate change, I think were his words.


15 posted on 02/16/2011 9:05:51 PM PST by cartervt2k (...and they cling to their abortions and their global warming religion)
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To: cornfedcowboy

not sure about immigration - not sure he’s been on the record about that yet.


16 posted on 02/16/2011 9:07:22 PM PST by cartervt2k (...and they cling to their abortions and their global warming religion)
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To: FreeReign
Daniel's avoids leading on Egypt.

Mitch mum on Egypt

17 posted on 02/16/2011 9:08:17 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Pelham

So which conservative do you think was electable in deep blue Cali?

Don’t name any one who could not even win in the Repub primaries. Those dudes would lose in a landslide with demorats included in general.


18 posted on 02/16/2011 9:08:25 PM PST by Bridge_toofar (Islam grows silently like cancer and when large enough it kills the host)
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To: ilgipper

You’re not going to out-Obama, Obama in charisma no matter who you pick. The american idol voting bloc will not be a big factor in 2012 like it was in 2008.


19 posted on 02/16/2011 9:09:04 PM PST by cartervt2k (...and they cling to their abortions and their global warming religion)
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To: Lancey Howard

Christie is the flavor of the week. He is NOT running

Last weeks flavor was Daniels, he will probably run, but no one will vote for him. The man has no facial features.

The week before that was Jeb Bush. Not Running. They are desperate to find someone to stop Palin, especially as Romney fades.

DeMint, not running. We need him in the Senate anyway and he know this.

There will be no dark horse emerging to ‘save the day.’

The nominee will be either Romney or Palin. A vote for anyone other than Palin in the primaries is a defacto vote for Romney.

That’s it.


20 posted on 02/16/2011 9:10:04 PM PST by t-dude (Sarah causes banal and vituperous evil snarks to shriek in horror!)
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To: cartervt2k
He once entertained the idea of a VAT (worrying), but he wants to make taxes flatter for all. I don’t think (hope) he would give the keys to the VAT car for future democrat majorities without some constitutional safety mechanisms.

I remember the response he gave on the VAT, I'm a little leery on trusting him, but if I recall correctly, he denied saying he actually endorsed a VAT, and was supportive of a flat tax, and that what he did was explain what a VAT was, and he claimed that it was twisted on him, but I don't know how true his claims were.

21 posted on 02/16/2011 9:10:32 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: cartervt2k

If you listen to Levin nightly, then you know the many Caveats Levin has regarding him...such as fact that he was the OMB Director for Bush.


22 posted on 02/16/2011 9:10:36 PM PST by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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To: cartervt2k

1. DE, CA, CT, and WA are liberal states....you don’t need those states to beat Obama, so what’s the point on how those loses in 2010 in liberal states means Obama is almost unstoppable?

2. some Republican strategist have pinpointed concern about his lack of fire in the belly or the desire for the rigors of hard campaigning....Obama will have his billions, the MSM in his back pocket, the Unions...etc. We need someone who will go toe to toe with Obama and not back down and will be the captain that is willing to “Give them Hell, Harry”......To beat Obama one has to go for the jugular not play “smart and cute”...so their is a concern on that part.

3. Moderates don’t win -

Ford(moderate) lost

Reagan(conservative) won

Bush 41(moderate) lost after he was away from Reagan’s coattails

Dole(moderate) lost

W (conservative/moderate) won by running as a conservative

McCain(moderate) lost


23 posted on 02/16/2011 9:14:02 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: cartervt2k
Your claim that Daniels doesn't have any "baggage", nor anything to trash him with is untrue.

His paternal grandparents were Syrian immigrants ( Christians ), but Mitch was given an award by the ARAB-AMERICAN LEAGUE.

He divorced his wife and several years later remarried her. Boy, could I make a big deal out of that one!

His work for President Bush WILL get him blugeonned.

His pro VAT statements have never really been cleared up.

He is BORING, has NO real following in the base, and has about as much charisma as moldy bread, and that's just for starters.

Every single GOP pol announced or not announced WILL be trashed, sliced up, pounced on, with every single ounce by Obama and the MSM.

What we need is a candidate who can excite and bring out the broken glass base; Daniels isn't going to do either.

24 posted on 02/16/2011 9:21:58 PM PST by nopardons
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To: 4rcane
mitch daniel is an idiot though

Daniels is the best governor that I have ever seen (I am very old) he tells it like it is, pulls no punches, and gets the job done...is it painless?? nope... but it is necessary Indiana is in MUCH better shape than any other midwestern state by far....he is a fiscal genius, conservative as far as I'm concened, pro-life, aware of the pitfalls in Washington, don't think he has any skeletons in the closet, well spoken (no tele-prompters needed)and intelligent

25 posted on 02/16/2011 9:22:57 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: Lancey Howard

I like DeMint. I think he’s a much better communicator than Palin, and so I like his chances in a general better than hers. But, I think he would lose too. He’s made some controversial remarks about gays and Christianity which would hurt him with the necessary independent vote. “Extreme” would be the meme du jour on the nightly news, even though their president is a marxist.

RE: Palin. I got to be honest - I LOVE her, and she would be a monumental upgrade to Obama, but she would lose big in an election to him. She is on the right side of every issue and has great instincts. I do not think she’s an idiot, but I don’t think she’s a rhodes scholar either. If you don’t know your crap backwards and forwards on every facet of government and foreign policy and you run for president - especially as a conservative woman, they hyenas in the media will feast on you, a la Katie Couric.


26 posted on 02/16/2011 9:23:33 PM PST by cartervt2k (...and they cling to their abortions and their global warming religion)
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To: cartervt2k

I don’t think he’s Ronald Reagan (Presidents like that are literally once in a generation) BUT he might be the right man for these particular times when the N0.1 issue is our crushing national debt. His CPAC speech framed it better than any other potential candidate...so far anyway.

Bush, despite his faults on other issues, was the right man to deal with the aftermath of 9/11 and the war on terror in my opinion.

Obama, on the other hand, isn’t the right guy for ANY time.


27 posted on 02/16/2011 9:24:43 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: Bigtigermike

1. I mentioned those states to illustrate the necessity of draining democrat resources. It will be imperative that we force Obama to spread out his money in as many places as possible.

2. Daniels will have a LOT of money behind him. He won’t be playing with any of this public financing crapola, and the business community will be solidly behind him. People are tired of the grandstanding pretender and ready for the boring, tried and true manager, IMHO.

3. Look at his record - he is not as moderate as you think.


28 posted on 02/16/2011 9:31:21 PM PST by cartervt2k (...and they cling to their abortions and their global warming religion)
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To: t-dude
Daniels is the only Guy I know that makes George Will seem charismatic in comparison. He bores the hell out of me,even though his speeches are mostly wonderfully Conservative, I drift off like he is robotic.

His wife left him,ran off with someone else and came back,maybe he put her to sleep also. He is a numbers guy,and does not draw on any kind of emotion. It is sad, I thought he was a good candidate until I watched and listened more closely. I still think he could be second on the Palin ticket,she has enough personality for both,and then some. He is great on the budget and all matters financial way above most other candidates,but there it ends.

29 posted on 02/16/2011 9:34:39 PM PST by samantha (Sarah has our back,and we sure have hers.. America the Beautiful...)
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To: ilgipper
“Charisma”? How about a man who rides an American made Harley and shows up for a debate with a curtain hanging bicycle rider?
30 posted on 02/16/2011 9:37:34 PM PST by Bronzy (We Remembered In November.)
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To: cartervt2k

This upcoming election is so important that we need to call a truce and put aside any notion of supporting Mitch Daniels for higher office.


31 posted on 02/16/2011 9:39:02 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: cartervt2k

I want David H. Koch as our next President.
(pronounced as “coke”)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Koch

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

Just say, “Things go better with Koch.”


32 posted on 02/16/2011 9:41:02 PM PST by japaneseghost ((Damn, I have good taste!))
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To: cartervt2k

Is this breaking news?

And Zot.


33 posted on 02/16/2011 9:44:23 PM PST by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: samantha

I hate to beat a dead horse, but I don’t see any way Palin can resuscitate her numbers with critical independent voters. I love her and will support her if she’s the nominee, but I just don’t see how she wins.

If this election turns into a charisma/popularity contest, we lose no matter who we pick. We win by picking the exact opposite of Obama - boring but competent and effective.


34 posted on 02/16/2011 9:44:43 PM PST by cartervt2k (...and they cling to their abortions and their global warming religion)
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To: cartervt2k
How do you win, if the base doesn't like/is bored to tears by the candidate?

He won't have any money woes? REALLY? Who do you imagine is going to donate to this guy?

And FYI...............Daniels won't win the primaries.

35 posted on 02/16/2011 9:47:57 PM PST by nopardons
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To: cartervt2k

Let’s start with your case studies—
1- Nevada voters chose Nevada over their country. They could not afford to throw away Reid’s seniority and clout in the Senate in exchange for a newbie. His opponent had little effect on the outcome.

2- Bad candidates can’t win elections. The Republican candidate for Governor in CO was a disaster and Buck was only somewhat better.

3- O’Donnell might have had a chance to win that election if establishment Republicans hadn’t been sore losers and refused to support her. They sounded like little kids. “Gov. Palin came in here and stole our candy and we’re not gonna play anymore”.

4- You are probably correct about CA and CT. I will say that I was not a great fan of Carly although I supported her in the general election. I don’t think she had the energy to effectively campaign against Boxer. If Chuck DeVore had been elected to the Senate,he would be among the five or six smartest in the body. His lack of fund raising ability kept him out.

5- Rossi is a repeated loser in WA. A confident conservative may have had a chance to win that seat.

What you are suggesting is that for a Republican to win, they must go to where the independents are. This is not what happened in 2010. In 2010, led by Gov. Palin and the TEA party, independents came to where we are. It is almost impossible to know where independents are because they lack core beliefs held by liberals and conservatives. Democrats win them over by lying and submerging them with media propaganda. The TEA party effort opened their eyes and many saw the truth about the liberal agenda. That truth still exists and will carry over to 2012 because the job was only half done in 2010. It will carry over because Obama is still intent on implementing Obamacare which they oppose. It will carry over because he still wants to bankrupt this country. If you want to lose those independents, try nominating a squishy Republican who is afraid of the social issues and who is afraid to call Obama out on his policies.

Yes, they will call Palin an idiot, but they would call Daniels an idiot too because name calling is what they do. When the campaign starts, all of those myths will evaporate in the face of truth and reality.

In 2008, many white voters wanted to see the first black President get elected. Of course black voters did also. Now, that ship has sailed. In 2012, the same effect will occur among women voters to see the first woman elected President. You can cite all the polls showing Palin doing poorly among women and independents but they tell us nothing because those polled are still thinking Palin is Tina Fey. When voters get to see the real Palin campaigning, those myths will fall like popped balloons. If you remember back to 2008, the selection Of Gov. Palin actually put McCain in the lead until the economy blew up (or was blown up) and McCain fumbled his response.

Gov. Mitch Daniels has no charisma. He comes off as a nice man ala Calvin Coolidge. Against Obama, he would be blown off the stage while women fainted on cue for Obama. Governor Palin dominates a stage. Obama will be upstaged and stuttering like a fool and when she asks him why he is intentionally trying to destroy the country he was elected to lead, I want to hear his attempts to answer and so do a lot of independents.

The fact of the matter is, if you can define yourself and your opponent, you will win the race. We beat Kerry in 2004 with devastating video of him lying about Vietnam, betraying his unit and flip-flopping on his record. Rove further rallied the base with worries about proliferation of gay marriage, and Bush got more votes than any other president in history. While you may think we should go back to the gay marriage well, I would submit to you that with 9-17% unemployment or underemployment and the FACT public opinion has softened on gay marriage, this is not the trump card it once was. In fact, social issues specifically will not carry a candidate from either party to a presidential victory - especially in this economic climate.

I look at Obama, presiding over the worst economy, job market and housing market in a generation, and he somehow has around a 50% approval rating. This is as stupefying as it is disappointing. Then, I look at the field of candidates and really start to think this is going to be an uphill slog. Obama is damaged but still has the upper hand with his incumbency. Those of you pointing me to last year’s elections, I would refer you to NV, CO, DE, CA, CT, and WA (the last 4 for reasons you might not expect).

Case study 1: Nevada. If you think beating Obama is going to be a slam dunk, here you have the most despised member of the senate pulling out a last minute victory with the sheer brute force of his bank and ground game. In fairness, I’m not sure Sue Lowden would have won, but I am certain it would have been closer. Angle or Lowden would have received the similar tons of money from groups looking to unseat Reid, but Sharron was not a polished candidate and stuck her foot in her mouth too many times (”2nd amendment solutions”, etc.).

Case study 2: Colorado. Here we have another purple state with the wind at our backs and blew it. Buck is a smart guy and articulate, but he walked right into the gay marriage trap down the stretch, comparing homosexuality to alcoholism on Meet the Press. He never recovered. Even though I do think homosexuality is an identity disorder, if you’re trying to get elected, shut up about it and keep hammering away on fiscal issues. You can get away with that in Alabama - not Colorado.

Case study 3: Delaware. I hate Castle, so this was the least significant for me. He was basically the 2010 version of Dede Scozzafava and glad we don’t have to defend him in the senate. However, it hurt us from the standpoint in that it allowed the DSCC to mostly ignore the race, where Castle would have forced them to spend more money there (a point I’ll get back to a lot).

Case study 4: California and Connecticut. Carly was the best we could have ever done there and had a lot of money. Linda may not have been the best candidate in CT, but she is also extremely wealthy. Both of them pulled a LOT of DSCC resources away from other states and really helped us, even in defeat (stop me if you see a pattern here).

Case study 5: Washington. Dino isn’t uber wealthy like the last 2, but he is an extremely polished, solid candidate and forced the DSCC to spend a lot of money there.

Here’s the thing: believe me if I tell you I could bring back Barry Goldwater from the dead and install him in the White House without having to worry about losing an election, I would. But I recognize we cannot win without a plurality of Independent squishes. This is just a fact. It is also a fact that conservatism will suffer more with the re-election of Obama than any Republican in the mix right now. We can win with 100% orthodox conservatives, but they MUST be able to connect with independents in a way so that they feel comfortable voting for them, even if the sources of their comfort are for superficial reasons. I felt like Pence could have been that guy, but he’s running for IN governor. There’s really no one else like him left right now.

If I were Obama, of the names being mentioned, I would fear Daniels the most. How could they label him? He’s a competent, accomplished, books-balancing, budget-slashing, Harley riding, ivy league educated state executive. They would be unable to easily label him a racist (hello Mississippi Barbour), an idiot (hello Palin), a hypocrite (hello Romneycare), or a Bible beater (hello Huckabee). What are they going to attack him for - his height? Having once worked for Bush? If that’s the worst he’s got in the way of baggage, he’s in good shape. If he put Christie on the ticket with him (a true RINO to be sure, but a star with gravitas nonetheless), Obama would have to go and dump money into NEW JERSEY. The midwest would be an electoral killing field from PA to WI. There would only be a few states Obama wouldn’t have to defend. I think we’d have a similar shot with T-Paw, but he hasn’t really impressed me in one-on-one interviews.

Back to the social issues, all I want out of our next president is to reinstate the Mexico City Policy and to elevate as many Scalias to the bench as possible - bonus if he can defund Planned Parenthood. Ginsburg is probably going to expire pretty soon, and Kennedy is wanting to step down soon. Do you want to risk their seats with a candidate likely to lose?

I’d be interested to hear your feedback of why you think I’m right or why you think I’m wrong. I’m on your team, so let’s keep it civil.
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36 posted on 02/16/2011 9:50:23 PM PST by excopconservative
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To: cartervt2k

1) Your choice of states for case study don’t make sense. These states are nowhere near swings states and Senate races are far different than for the POTUS.

2) McCain IS an establishment geezer. He also had the anchor of Bush fatigue and a miserable campaign. He shut the dam thing down during the financial crisis for crying out loud! He also refused to go after Obummer on his Commie background (See Mark McKinnon). He did not define himself as a Conservative. He ran as a moderate.

3)If you think the Rats won’t be able to label Daniels, you are crazy. Just because the guy rides a Harley does not make him edgy. His CPAC speech whined about right wing radio for crying out loud. His record as Gov. is spotty. He supports an INTERNET TAX and supports GREEN INITIATIVES.

Maybe you should have spent more time going though the points of how Daniels will trump Obummer issue by issue instead of somehow tying in lost Senate races.

Remember, the electoral landscape has totally shifted on Obummer because of the ‘10 Landslide. States he relied on have turned solid red overnight. PA, OH, VA ect. He will not have the advantage this time and there does not seem the need to run another Moderate looking candidate. Maybe Daniels will change my impression of him in the debates.


37 posted on 02/16/2011 9:51:51 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: cartervt2k
2. Daniels will have a LOT of money behind him. He won’t be playing with any of this public financing crapola, and the business community will be solidly behind him. People are tired of the grandstanding pretender and ready for the boring, tried and true manager, IMHO

You still didn't answer the concern....You have to have fire with fire, Will Mitch fight back against the media slurs and lies? They said that Mitch run as Governor against his opponent was non-confrontation and that he hates the personal invasion of his family life. Will Mitch give it his all? that's why we have an primary, to test these candidates and all of these hypotheticals about who can't win or who can win is silly, lets wait a see in the primary season. BTW Im saying is that if Obama is too much to over come (I don't personally believe that), I would rather have someone go down with the ship fighting to the end than a cool, collected guy demurring about being around smart people.
38 posted on 02/16/2011 9:52:21 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: Lancey Howard
Why do you believe the scumbags have successfully caricatured Palin as "an idiot"? As far as I can tell, the scumbag Democrats and their newsrooms have succeeded only in convincing themselves that Palin is an idiot, and they are smugly patting themselves on the back for how clever they are. I believe that normal America will embrace Palin once she begins to campaign in earnest. Do you think Palin is an idiot?

I absolutely don't believe Palin is an idiot. I think she's an extraordinarily smart and competent woman, and I was a fan before she was chosen to be the vp candidate. I admire her greatly. However,

1. Yes, I do agree with the original poster than the Left has succeeded in making most Americans believe she's an idiot. Wherever I go, all over the US, whoever I talk to in any sociocultural or educational group, I hear the same thing: people who are not liberals like her but think she's a lightweight, an airhead. Even if they can't point to something specific she said that they don't like, they consider her young, perky, cute. Not a person with gravitas. Not someone who can face down Putin and Hu, Kim and the Muslim Brotherhood.

2. I'm going to get crucified for this because on this forum apparently our fellow Freepers won't allow us to say anything negative about Sarah, but here goes anyway: In 2008 Ann Coulter said that Sarah should go back to Alaska, finish her term, and spend the next several years reading Constitutional law and history, and traveling. This was very good advice. People who are really sharp know what they don't know, and try to fill the gaps. I wish I could see Sarah studying.

3. I don't think a woman will impress the Chinese or make the Muslims quake in their sandals. They're misogynists. That's not my fault or Sarah's; it's just a statement of fact. They won't fear her, no matter how many nukes she commands.

39 posted on 02/16/2011 9:53:04 PM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: bushwon

caveats would be an understatement - i hear him give it to Daniels with both barrels the other night. Still, I don’t think being bush’s OMB is that big a problem. Bush signed his own budgets, Daniels signed his own budgets in IN.


40 posted on 02/16/2011 9:54:02 PM PST by cartervt2k (...and they cling to their abortions and their global warming religion)
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To: excopconservative

Sorry didn’t mean to repeat your post.


41 posted on 02/16/2011 9:56:34 PM PST by excopconservative
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To: Bigtigermike

You make good points. I guess we’ll see how much fight he’s got and how he handles the slime. I reserve the right to change my mind. :-)


42 posted on 02/16/2011 9:57:25 PM PST by cartervt2k (...and they cling to their abortions and their global warming religion)
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To: excopconservative
How could they label him?

Perhaps you don't understand the MO of the democrat/media complex yet.

They will label and savage any candidate for president with an (R) behind their name.

Daniels will be no different, and he has never faced that kind of thing so we don't know how he will handle it. Besides the lambasting he will take like any of the others, he has a lot of weaknesses as a candidate, as many or more than the rest that might become candidates.

If he wins the nomination I'll get behind him, but right now he's nothing for Obama to fear at all.

43 posted on 02/16/2011 9:57:59 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: cartervt2k

EVERYTHING you wrote about Palin is spot-on IMO.

The MSM has been able to define some of the more
notable conservatives such as Palin and Newt in
the eyes of the un-informed masses. They will, of
course, attempt to paint a negative picture of whomever
wins the GOP nomination. That is one of the reasons
I am interested in Daniels or someone like him. There
is an opportunity, however slight, for Daniels to
define himself before the cretins focus in on him.
But, if he doesn’t have the ‘fire in his belly’ it
won’t matter.


44 posted on 02/16/2011 9:59:51 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Bronzy
Photos here:
http://www.in.gov/gov/3260.htm

masculinity not efiminety

45 posted on 02/16/2011 10:01:52 PM PST by Bronzy (We Remembered In November.)
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To: t-dude
The nominee will be either Romney or Palin. A vote for anyone other than Palin in the primaries is a defacto vote for Romney.

God help us.

46 posted on 02/16/2011 10:02:11 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
This upcoming election is so important that we need to call a truce and put aside any notion of supporting Mitch Daniels for higher office.

You sir are hilarious. That statement brought tears to my eyes.

47 posted on 02/16/2011 10:05:18 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: cartervt2k

“Plain folks appeal” identity politics is not an argument. What are Mitch Daniel’s opinions about ethanol subsidies?


48 posted on 02/16/2011 10:07:25 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: cartervt2k

Doesn’t any body read anymore. I strongly encourage you all to read Daniels speech at CPAC. This guy is VERY smart. You all want a Justin Beiber type popularity contest. The only one that comes close is Palin. I really like her, but . . .

I’ll vote for brains and integrity. This guy has a backbone, and won’t stand around and listen to the administrations nonsense. He’s got a plan. He put Indiana in the black, and he’s not afraid to take on the sacred cows of politics.

Listen to him, wake up and pay attention, this is really important.


49 posted on 02/16/2011 10:07:41 PM PST by pm58590
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To: cartervt2k

Sorry, but the moment he said he wanted a truce on social issues he became another rino in my eyes. I’m sure he is great fiscally speaking, but if he doesn’t champion all aspects of what I consider conservatism, then he’ll never get my vote.

I mean, if that’s the case, I might as well vote for Romney. No, sounds to me like he doesn’t want to fight for social issues in the public arena at the presidential level. Not exactly a good sign.


50 posted on 02/16/2011 10:32:19 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (Fire all the damn rino!)
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