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Obama Birth Certificate Scam? 2011-04-27 Obama.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c ^ | 4-27-11 | karl denniger

Posted on 04/27/2011 9:05:08 PM PDT by remaxagnt

100% proof this document is a fraud!

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; colbfake; karldenninger; naturalborncitizen; officialbcrelease
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1 posted on 04/27/2011 9:05:11 PM PDT by remaxagnt
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To: remaxagnt
Photobucket Obama thinks the American people are stupid... Well, some are, but most of us can see through his bs..
2 posted on 04/27/2011 9:13:40 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: baddog 219

Must ‘a been those berries that eked out of his butt that day.


3 posted on 04/27/2011 9:15:26 PM PDT by Grundforsen
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To: remaxagnt

I watched this video after you mentioned it in a different thread that I had started. Thanks for starting this thread yourself - now I don’t have to!


4 posted on 04/27/2011 9:17:38 PM PDT by grundle
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To: baddog 219
Looks more like John Elway than Obummer.
5 posted on 04/27/2011 9:17:39 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: remaxagnt

I don’t know. But the image that is on the paper obviously is rolled on the left side. How does that fit into the equation? Do they scan from a book and print it on the paper that already has a background on it? Or is it printed at the same time as the image. We need a unbiased expert to examine the original. Trump has the resources to get that done. Leave it to obumber to half ass answer the question.


6 posted on 04/27/2011 9:20:55 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of total income taxes collected. Bottom 50% pay less then 3%, fair?)
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To: remaxagnt

I knew something was up when I saw the white edges around all of the graphics when I blew up the image.


7 posted on 04/27/2011 9:24:11 PM PDT by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: baddog 219

That should say “The American Lap-Dog-Media Are FREAKIN’ IDIOTS!”


8 posted on 04/27/2011 9:24:26 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: remaxagnt; LucyT

Karl Denninger again. This is absolutely the best and most convincing presentation yet. Very much worth watching the video—and in my case watching it twice, before sending it out to my list.

The AP version was copied from a piece of paper, whether or not the paper was faked. The White House Version was ASSEMBLED, and it was done partly using a color scanner and partly using a black and white scanner, and then putting them together.

No doubt about it. The White House version simply is NOT a simple scan of a piece of paper. The evidence is overwhelming.


9 posted on 04/27/2011 9:25:32 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: JoSixChip

Last week, Hawaii suddenly stopped allowing folks to obtain their Long-Form BC.

Are they worried that other BC’s, floating around town, would allow us to compare with Omoslem’s BC (and spot problems)?


10 posted on 04/27/2011 9:25:32 PM PDT by LyinLibs
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To: jarofants
Hello, Wilbur.

11 posted on 04/27/2011 9:30:03 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: remaxagnt

Bump for later reference. Thanks


12 posted on 04/27/2011 9:30:03 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: LyinLibs

Man, I just want to know the truth one way or the other. To be honest, I was almost relieved to find out he was eligible. But now there are questions again. This POS in the white house can not give a strait answer to anything.


13 posted on 04/27/2011 9:30:32 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of total income taxes collected. Bottom 50% pay less then 3%, fair?)
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To: Cicero

So Obama must have been rattled by the birthers.


14 posted on 04/27/2011 9:31:15 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: jonrick46

I knew something was up when all the usual faithers came out of the wood work proclaim this a dead issue. Put it under the scope first, then call it dead—not the other way around.


15 posted on 04/27/2011 9:31:46 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: remaxagnt

bttt


16 posted on 04/27/2011 9:32:32 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: CommieCutter

That’s MICROSCOPE by the way.


17 posted on 04/27/2011 9:33:41 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: remaxagnt

We’ve always known they’d forge a BC for him...what we worried about is the forgery would be soooooo gooooood...it would be next to impossible to prove it was forged...now look the these very stupid criminal thugs...they didn’t even fake a good forgery....


18 posted on 04/27/2011 9:34:30 PM PDT by shield (Rev2:9 Blasphemy of them which say they're Israelites, and are not, but are the synaGOGue of Satan.)
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To: JoSixChip
Man, I just want to know the truth one way or the other.

Me either. I'm getting whiplash.

On a couple of other threads, I was proposing logical explanations for a few things that people were excited about. (Most of which I got from other FReepers) I started to look into some other points that had me concerned to see if they, too, could be rationalized and then a thought hit me: How many oddities does it take before it's just too much of a stretch for anyone to buy that this document is legit?

I would say that three good weird things that have less than obvious explanations would be easily acceptable for me.

OK, then what about four? Five? Ten? Would I be able to accept more than a dozen things that point to an object being a fake if someone sat me down and said, "I know it looks wrong; but, you see..."

I quit counting "off points" at twelve a few hours ago.

19 posted on 04/27/2011 9:38:55 PM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: JoSixChip
The archival process, for most counties, went along these lines... Storage of original documents has always been a problem for counties. Not only do you have issues with paper quality and pests, it's also freakin’ huge to store, and took far too long to get information to handle a request. Counties paid companies, or sometimes did it in house, to photograph and convert to microfiche vital records like this one.

But microfiche itself presented whole new problems in the manner of storage and even quicker solutions were presented, such as digitalizing the microfiche library and putting it in computer databases. Now long form birth certificates are a couple clicks away.

Once printed, stamped and dated, these documents can then be transmitted in electronic format from scanning printers that can convert a document to PDF for sending electronically. And this really appears to be pretty standard everywhere I've been (counties of 600,000+ people.)

The methodology that scanning copiers use to not only create PDFs, but also in storing documents for multiple printings breaks the image up into elements, and those elements are combined to make the PDF or the print. You can also specify a background image to go into the PDF - naturally you wouldn't have it in the original document, as that could affect the print onto the security paper.

This is his real long form birth certificate. Kudos to Trump to extract that which no one else could get him to cough up. And it does absolutely nothing to settle the question if Obama’s a naturally born citizen or not, aside from providing a legal record that his mother was under 25 at the time of his birth, and a legal establishment of his father. It does nothing to establish his father's US citizenship, a requirement for a naturally born citizen.

I honestly think that this is one of those cases where success in the past is affecting people's viewpoints. Yes, CBS faked a document. Continued declarations that this is a fake will just result in the registrar in Hawaii to post the ‘original’ that was scanned in a frame on the wall in their lobby. It is becoming a distraction whereas for the first time, Obama has provided the same type of documents that we're required to provide to get even welfare, much less the presidency. Now to go after those school records and immigration records for his father.

20 posted on 04/27/2011 9:39:06 PM PDT by kingu (Legislators should read what they write!)
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To: shield

Well I’m not convinced yet. But if you think about it, a forgery would require asking someone to break the law. Not just anybody would be willing to do that. And you will find that the better people are at their craft the more ethical they generally are. We may even find out that obumber had to get his daughter to forge this because he could not trust anyone, nor figure out how to turn the computer on.


21 posted on 04/27/2011 9:39:27 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of total income taxes collected. Bottom 50% pay less then 3%, fair?)
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To: remaxagnt
The birth certificate released today is forged.

The last "1" is different than the other 1's. Note it is perfectly aligned while the other numbers are slanted.


The "1" in 1961 is different.


Also note that an authentic color scan will have slight red or blue colorization around characters. There is none present here.
22 posted on 04/27/2011 9:41:59 PM PDT by xeno
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To: kingu

Well like I said, I’m not convinced. You present a plausible case.


23 posted on 04/27/2011 9:45:47 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of total income taxes collected. Bottom 50% pay less then 3%, fair?)
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To: remaxagnt

Thanks - what this guys says makes 100% sense. Many others are opining about “fakes” and all, but they can’t prove it’s “fake” - what they should be saying as this guy says, is that the document they released is “assembled”, and is not a scan from a record book as many people will assume.

Why? That’s the $64,000 question. Is the BC only available in electronic form? Or is it a fake, a fabrication?

The document released today doesn’t close the debate, it just shifts it to technical imaging and document archival methods.


24 posted on 04/27/2011 9:46:40 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: remaxagnt

To people that use Adobe this is a forgery.
Obama’s new Birth Certificate - Proven to be altered and changed, Now Just More Questions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9CSvGrT0uM

President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF has Layers - FAKE! (mirror)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-gDH5z0PKI
Obama’s Long Form Certificate of Birth Certificate is a Forgery ~ 04-27-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkulIT7iL
This guy tried to get multiple layers from a scanned in document. Couldn’t.

White House Birth Certificate is Forgery? 2 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPX33ZNdmlo

Obama’s Birth Certificate Is 100% Fake? Professional Graphics Designer Agrees It’s A Fake 1 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMxVbPCPBY

Why does President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF Have Layers? 3 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLTtengEvwk

Obama’s Birth Certificate Exposed Debunked as a Layered, Photoshopped, Fraud Hoax? 4 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk


25 posted on 04/27/2011 9:48:19 PM PDT by cruise_missile (Obummer dumber than a teleprompter.)
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To: xeno
Just out of curiosity, do you or anyone know why this document, the Coats document, and 0's purported document are all file #151?
26 posted on 04/27/2011 9:49:33 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: Marie

I don’t know Marie, I was convinced early in the day it was a legit document from the archives, but as the day wears on I am starting to get that bad feeling in my stomach. This guy in the video makes a pretty convincing case without dipping into the “layering” and race of the father and the addresses and names of the hospital and the stuff that was pretty easy to dismiss.

This video feels pretty devastating, the guy sure sounds like he has been down this road before.


27 posted on 04/27/2011 9:51:59 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Why yes, I do speak Spanglish - "Hasta la later on, amigo. Pardon, would you have any salsa verde?")
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To: kingu

You make a number of good points.

Part of the problem is semantics...we can use the word “fake” to mean “not real” or to mean “false”, as in “untruthful”. What is clear is that the document released today is “assembled” and not a direct scan of a paper copy of a longform BC as many would assume just from looking at the image. But being an “assembled” document in pdf form doesn’t say anything about the veracity of the information on the form.

Trump forced the issue, a win for him as we all know Obama and his people had to think they were in a tight spot to release this after all this time. But it does nothing to settle the concern over eligibility, and so the debate goes on...


28 posted on 04/27/2011 9:54:59 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

no the 54k question is that obama wrote in his book that he found his original in his bible and if thats a case why the need to get a document that was generated april 25 2010 why not use the document that he found in his bible.


29 posted on 04/27/2011 9:56:03 PM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: bigbob
Everyone keeps saying "The Documnet Released Today" but there are TWO completely different documents that were released today. One of them is the "Green Background" certificate. I believe that has been shown to have been assembled (by someone unknown) from various components. The other version released today is the "White Background" certificate. This alone is very bizarre. Why two completely different looking copies of the supposedly same document released on the same day? Where did they come from. Obama claims he sent his lawyers to get the docs. Did they get both the Green and White versions? White Birth Certificate It seems clear someone decided to make the White version look more official, so they created the Green version. That was an incredibly stupid thing to do, but it was obviously done. The version that needs to be either debunked or authenticated is the white version. Karl Denninger says it's a clean photo of an actual document. So far all the analysis is on the Green version. Case closed on that. But the White version is much more convincing and doesn't have a bunch of the manipulations that the Green has.
30 posted on 04/27/2011 9:56:10 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: bigbob
Everyone keeps saying "The Documnet Released Today" but there are TWO completely different documents that were released today.

One of them is the "Green Background" certificate. I believe that has been shown to have been assembled (by someone unknown) from various components.

The other version released today is the "White Background" certificate.

This alone is very bizarre. Why two completely different looking copies of the supposedly same document released on the same day? Where did they come from.

Obama claims he sent his lawyers to get the docs. Did they get both the Green and White versions?

White Birth Certificate It seems clear someone decided to make the White version look more official, so they created the Green version. That was an incredibly stupid thing to do, but it was obviously done.

The version that needs to be either debunked or authenticated is the white version. Karl Denninger says it's a clean photo of an actual document.

So far all the analysis is on the Green version. Case closed on that. But the White version is much more convincing and doesn't have a bunch of the manipulations that the Green has.

31 posted on 04/27/2011 9:57:29 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: bigbob

Which is a good thing, this needs to be dug into on a technical level.

One thing that has been bugging me the last hour or so is why the document as released is from a bound volume and not a plain dump from a digital file. The curve on the left from the binding is starting to seem really weird if HI converted everything over to digital instead of paper.

Cripes, I thought I had this all figured out hours ago and now I am having doubts again. Dang it, why can’t they just play us straight and show the records the state has and stop playing computer games with it?


32 posted on 04/27/2011 9:58:27 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Why yes, I do speak Spanglish - "Hasta la later on, amigo. Pardon, would you have any salsa verde?")
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To: Jack Black

Is the “white background” doc you refer to the same as the Associated Press scan of the Obama doc, as shown in the first part of the video?


33 posted on 04/27/2011 10:00:04 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Jack Black

That’s because the doctored green one was making so much noise in the intarwebs they ran the original straight to a printer, that is why it doesn’t have any of the weirdness that was picked up right away from the green one.

This is crazy, we are being played yet again.


34 posted on 04/27/2011 10:00:52 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Why yes, I do speak Spanglish - "Hasta la later on, amigo. Pardon, would you have any salsa verde?")
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To: remaxagnt

Another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt7oi2qfxlY


35 posted on 04/27/2011 10:04:10 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: bigbob
But being an “assembled” document in pdf form doesn’t say anything about the veracity of the information on the form.

My 'theory' that this is a normal artifact of copiers which include document management and transmission abilities, something which is easy to duplicate by simply printing out the PDF and using a scanning copier to transmit the resulting PDF file to yourself.

This experiment has already been done by multiple people, and I'm sure that more and more people will do the same over the coming days, and get similar results.

This isn't a case of 'fake but accurate' CBS mumbo jumbo, faking a birth certificate and presenting it as real, in any method or manner, is a very serious offense. While constitutional and legal scholars will tap dance around the definition of naturally born citizen, I don't think you could find a one who'd think that Obama would survive impeachment or the senate's verdict if it did come out as being faked.

There is a utter lack of motive here - nothing in the long form proves Obama is a naturally born citizen, but it does create a legal fact who his parents were, and what their age was at the time of his birth. Now for the immigration paperwork for Obama's father...

36 posted on 04/27/2011 10:04:28 PM PDT by kingu (Legislators should read what they write!)
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To: remaxagnt

“...why not use the document that he found in his bible.”

Exactly. He said he had one...in his hands. Guess he lost his bible somewhere along the way.


37 posted on 04/27/2011 10:04:52 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: remaxagnt

when you think you are the smartest person in the room you just may be... However when you walk into a room of Billions of people then things get fuzzy. That is what happens when things get released in FR. It is like dropping it onto the desk of a gigantic research team. As a perpetrator you have no idea what others know and what will stick out like a sore thumb. That is the down fall of any crime.


38 posted on 04/27/2011 10:05:34 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: West Texas Chuck

I was going to hit the sack an hour ago!

Here’s what I *think* - but I’m not an expert.

Seems safe to assume in 1961 the original BC was typed and filed in a bound book of some sort. Some time later due to space demands and available new technology, someone issues the edict that all vital records will be microfilmed. The camera captures the “curl” of the book as an indelible part of the image, and the “book” goes into the incinerator. More time passes and another edict comes down that aging microfilm (or microfiche, I never understood the difference) records are to be digitized and stored electronically. So this leaves us with an image of what was on the microfilm as the only “longform BC” in existence. More time passes, and today under pressure from Trump, they tell someone to load the image in a Mac (someone sleuthed this out from the pdf header) and combine it with security paper background and create a 4/27/11 pdf document that looks like what people expect it to look like.

This might even explain some of the comments that we’ve heard like “the original BC no longer exists”. Referring to the paper copy, I mean.

Of course as stated previously, once in electronic form, the potential for hanky-panky goes up tremendously, and this document - however it was created - doesn’t help establish the truth of the information presented.


39 posted on 04/27/2011 10:08:08 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: the anti-liberal
why this document, the Coats document, and 0's purported document are all file #151?

I'll guess that "File Number 151" is a form number like "1040" or "W-2".
40 posted on 04/27/2011 10:09:09 PM PDT by xeno
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To: remaxagnt
and all

My theory is that the 0bama regime have a prototype time machine stashed away at Rosewell in area 52.....

it's not a complete time machine allowing operatives to be transported backwards and returned....

However, it at least allows connection into a parallel universe where 0bambi was born in the USA....

If you look at the image provided by the White House you see the birth certificate entering from the parallel universe from the slot on the left...takes form and appears as a whole page...

problem solved.

PS...can I get a page or two of next weeks horse racing results?

thanks in advance

41 posted on 04/27/2011 10:09:52 PM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: remaxagnt

Fake LFBC Ping


42 posted on 04/27/2011 10:09:54 PM PDT by Batman11 (Obama's poll numbers are so low the Kenyans are claiming he was born in the USA!)
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To: West Texas Chuck

That’s what I’m saying. I can’t get a grip on this greased pig.


43 posted on 04/27/2011 10:14:49 PM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: bigbob

Makes sense, I hadn’t thought of that, I just assumed what they scanned was from a bound volume and done recently, but that makes no sense.

I’ve been at this all day and my brain hurts.


44 posted on 04/27/2011 10:15:20 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Why yes, I do speak Spanglish - "Hasta la later on, amigo. Pardon, would you have any salsa verde?")
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To: remaxagnt

According to B.H. Obama Sr.’s immigration records, he was born June 18, 1934, which would have made him 27 when Obama was born in 1961. The document released today listed his age as 25.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54015762/Barack-Hussein-Obama-Sr-Immigration-File


45 posted on 04/27/2011 10:21:53 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

Nice catch.


46 posted on 04/27/2011 10:26:31 PM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: Cicero; Nepeta; Plummz; Bikkuri; GregNH; Fantasywriter; warsaw44; ColdOne; ...
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Karl Denninger again. This is absolutely the best and most convincing presentation yet.

Very much worth watching the video—and in my case watching it twice, before sending it out to my list.

The AP version was copied from a piece of paper, whether or not the paper was faked. The White House Version was ASSEMBLED, and it was done partly using a color scanner and partly using a black and white scanner, and then putting them together.

No doubt about it. The White House version simply is NOT a simple scan of a piece of paper. The evidence is overwhelming.

Thanks, Cicero.

47 posted on 04/27/2011 10:43:00 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: remaxagnt

“In 1961, the hospital Obama was born in was NOT named the Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital , as shown on the above certificate. In 1961, the hospital Obama was born in was named the Kauaikeolani Children’s Hospital. It did not change its name to the Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until it merged with the Kapiolani hospital system in 1978.”
Picked this from another site. Is this true?


48 posted on 04/27/2011 10:55:12 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: .45 Long Colt

That is a good catch. Another tidbit for the investigative Freepers here. I’m not sure if this has been posted on FR yet, but from the comment section of one of the BC videos on YouTube:

“The official web site for Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital says that the hospital name at the time of his birth should have been Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital. The name didn’t change to Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until Kauikeolani Children’s Hospital merged with Kapiolani Maternity Home in 1978. So how could his official long form birth certificate that was generated in 1961 have the name of the hospital that wasn’t created until 1978???”

I don’t know anything about this, but this might be worth checking out.


49 posted on 04/27/2011 10:55:42 PM PDT by drierice
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To: BigCinBigD

Same scoop, same posting time. Maybe there’s something to this hospital name. :)


50 posted on 04/27/2011 10:58:41 PM PDT by drierice
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